Muslims, racists, individuals and attitudes.

[thebish]

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Not without having a few names lobbed in my direction from time to time

But hey I ain't no snowflake who will run for my safe space

So who is it that you seem to be claiming isn't allowed an opinion? You do SOUND a bit like a "snowflake"

[Worthy4England]

Person A says something stupid

Person B points out it's fcukwittery

Person A points out they're allowed an opinion whilst trying to remove Person B's right to point out it's stupid...

[Hoboh]

^
Not without having a few names lobbed in my direction from time to time

But hey I ain't no snowflake who will run for my safe space

So who is it that you seem to be claiming isn't allowed an opinion? You do SOUND a bit like a "snowflake"

Anyone who does not agree with the snowflake, everyone is equal (except when we shall hide details of wrong doers so we don't upset sensitivities) opinions are the ones being stifled in debate.
I mean, I don't object to all these pricks posting inane selfies on the web, then weeping when they get called by usually their peers, it's dead funny tbh.
I'm still waiting for the selfie posing with a hungry croc.
And when the colour black is a dirty word except when spoken by a certain person, it's ridiculous.

[thebish]

What opinion are you not allowed to have and who is not allowing you to have it? What are the consequences of you having that opinion?

[Montreal Wanderer]

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Not without having a few names lobbed in my direction from time to time

But hey I ain't no snowflake who will run for my safe space

I'm having trouble parsing the second sentence. Am I right to assume, eliminating the double negative, that you are in fact a snowflake?

[Hoboh]

^
Not without having a few names lobbed in my direction from time to time

But hey I ain't no snowflake who will run for my safe space

I'm having trouble parsing the second sentence. Am I right to assume, eliminating the double negative, that you are in fact a snowflake?

More like a thunderclap Monty

[Hoboh]

What opinion are you not allowed to have and who is not allowing you to have it? What are the consequences of you having that opinion?

Well Malcd is called out for having the opinion that numerically there is a large number of Muslims involved or not too concerned about acts of terrorism.
Fortunately this site is not mod heavy handed and all but the most distasteful views are tolerated, not the case in a large number of sites now.

[Worthy4England]

It's a site of differing opinions. I asked why keep posting the Religion of Peace thing. Numerically by malcs best estimate 75 - 85% (iirc) didn't say they supported terrorism.

The question remains "what should we do about it" and I'm all for no terrorism. Are we just supposed to be brainwashed by the constant religion of peace posts? Or believe all Muslins are terrorists? Or a majority are?

And if we do believe it - what happens next?

[malcd1]

Right so "sympathetic to suicide bombings" makes someone a terrorist? What's the split between "sympathetic towards suicide bombings and terrorists?

I was sympathetic towards the US offing Bin Laden (as I suspect were millions of other folks around the world) I guess that makes us christian or agnostic terrorists?

The poll question was whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified, in Europe.

The possible answers were:

A. Believed it could never be justified.

B. Believed it could be justified rarely.

C. Believed it could be justified sometimes.

D. Thought it could be justified often.

Any answer other than 'A' is not acceptable. I certainly wouldn't want to live among people who think that suicide bombings of innocent civilians could ever be justified. I know having these views does not make them a terrorist but would they prevent a massacre occurring?

I am not a religious person (you might have guessed this by now) but if I heard of an imminent attack on a church, synagogue or mosque, I would report it immediately. If I saw a Muslim being attacked or verbally abused I would step in to stop it happening. I am against indiscriminate killings of innocent people, irrespective of colour, religion or creed. I am against apostasy, honour killings, killings of homosexuals, death for blasphemy, stoning for adultery and misogyny to name just a few.

Again I will add that I do not believe this applies to all Muslims or even a particularly high percentage but there are enough extremists in this country and Europe to scare the crap out of me. Further UK massacres are inevitable and they will almost certainly be carried out by followers of Islam.

I will leave the final word (for now) to Abdelrahman al-Rashid.

Abdelrahman al-Rashid, a Muslim and the managing director of Arab news channel Al-Arabiya, stated that "It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims".

[Worthy4England]

I think we both condemn terrorism.


I'm also fairly sure that if the East, acted like the West taking out many civilians in a "justified war" then we would have plenty who would look to resort to a wider range of tactics too. As the IRA did. I note from your list, that justified wars seems to he missing. I was supportive of us removing Hussein, given that he thought gassing Kurds was ok - we didn't turn the other way. I didn't for one minute think it wouldn't have repercussions.

[Hoboh]

I think we both condemn terrorism.


I'm also fairly sure that if the East, acted like the West taking out many civilians in a "justified war" then we would have plenty who would look to resort to a wider range of tactics too. As the IRA did. I note from your list, that justified wars seems to he missing. I was supportive of us removing Hussein, given that he thought gassing Kurds was ok - we didn't turn the other way. I didn't for one minute think it wouldn't have repercussions.

I agree with you about Saddam although I would much preferred rather an 'accident' or assassination to a war.

[malcd1]

I think we both condemn terrorism.


I'm also fairly sure that if the East, acted like the West taking out many civilians in a "justified war" then we would have plenty who would look to resort to a wider range of tactics too. As the IRA did. I note from your list, that justified wars seems to he missing. I was supportive of us removing Hussein, given that he thought gassing Kurds was ok - we didn't turn the other way. I didn't for one minute think it wouldn't have repercussions.

I'm pretty sure our views are very similar. I just express them in a different way.

[Prufrock]

The problem you have is that every time you come on here after an act of Islamic terrorism and mock the idea, unprompted, that Islam is "the religion of peace" (and when was the last time you heard anyone say that who wasn't doing so to contradict it), you imply something further. You seem to be saying that Islam is a "religion of violence"...?

[malcd1]

The problem you have is that every time you come on here after an act of Islamic terrorism and mock the idea, unprompted, that Islam is "the religion of peace" (and when was the last time you heard anyone say that who wasn't doing so to contradict it), you imply something further. You seem to be saying that Islam is a "religion of violence"...?

Do you watch the news?

[boltonboris]

It's a religion that promotes violence against non-believers, just because they don't all act upon the Qur'an war cries, doesn't mean that it's NOT a violent religion. It is

[Worthy4England]

That last gulf war cry. Didn't that come from the US and UK? It's much easier to persuade people the West is an evil place when we've dismantled the government that was in power, put down innocent deaths to "collateral damage" and our news headlines are constantly telling Muslims "You're all terrorists". The book is just a means to an end. We're doing the hard work for them.

[boltonboris]

And people march the streets here in protest.. Do you see the same from the 'muslim community'?

[Worthy4England]

No, because most of them don' associate themselves with being terrorists. I have no idea whether you joined any of those marches. If you didn't does that mean you were ok with it?

When their was a show of solidarity in capital cities after Bataclan, how many muslims were on those because they identified with being French or British rather than terrorists? Maybe we should number them to make them easier to count.

[thebish]

It's a religion that promotes violence against non-believers...

nahh - it's not.

it's people who are violent - and people are very creative at finding outlets/excuses for violence.

some people maim innocent members of the public in the name of football-supporting - some have even done it in the name of Bolton Wanderers - they call themselves supporters and wear the colours... but it doesn't mean that football is a violent sport or that its followers (you and me) are any more prone to violence than anyone else...

[thebish]

And people march the streets here in protest.. Do you see the same from the 'muslim community'?

yes. often. they have marches and are on the marches that you describe.

there was one in London, for instance, back in December... you may not have heard about it because they are very rarely given any media mention at all. But if a handful of muslims demonstrate in a small village about poppies... then they get blanket media coverage for days/weeks...

Thousands of people took part in the annual UK Arbaeen Procession, coordinated by the Husaini Islamic Trust UK, on Sunday.

Although Shia Muslims take part in the march each year to mark the Arbaeen, or mourning, anniversary of Imam Husain - a seventh-century leader who fought for social justice - this year organisers decided to use the event as a platform to denounce terrorism following the recent Isis attacks in Paris, Beirut and elsewhere.

Organiser Waqar Haider said: "This year we had hundreds of placards which were basically saying ‘no’ to terrorism and ‘no’ to Isis. A very direct message.

"For us it was a controversial move to go political. Normally we don’t mix politics with mourning. However with what's happened recently, we thought we had to make sure we as a community totally disassociate ourselves with what's happening elsewhere in the world."

Despite this, Mr Haider said the demonstration still failed to garner any attention in the mainstream media.

"It is the oldest annual Muslim event in London but unfortunately it is very difficult to get any media coverage," he said.