The Politics Thread

[thebish]

Oh FFS - big Dave's latest big idea...

children to stand up when their parents enter a room...

where the cock is he getting this stuff from???

Missed this... was this actually a policy announcement or, as I suspect, an aside that you have seized upon?

And why is it such a questionable thing to say? I've got friend who has been a teacher for a few years now and is considering leaving the profession because his crowd control responsibilities get in the way of teaching anything. I think perhaps he'd prefer a situation in which the pupils stand respectfully when he enters the classroom.

[Bruce Rioja]

I think perhaps he'd prefer a situation in which the pupils stand respectfully when he enters the classroom.

Do they not, now? We always did.

[Gooner Girl]

I think perhaps he'd prefer a situation in which the pupils stand respectfully when he enters the classroom.

Do they not, now? We always did.

That's cos you're old. I would guess in the past majority of schools they don't now.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Oh FFS - big Dave's latest big idea...

children to stand up when their parents enter a room...

where the cock is he getting this stuff from???

Missed this... was this actually a policy announcement or, as I suspect, an aside that you have seized upon?

And why is it such a questionable thing to say? I've got friend who has been a teacher for a few years now and is considering leaving the profession because his crowd control responsibilities get in the way of teaching anything. I think perhaps he'd prefer a situation in which the pupils stand respectfully when he enters the classroom.

I was chatting to somebody as I wrote that post who said the quote was 'teacher and parents'. Having looked it up, it seems that's true.

As I say though, not exactly a policy announcement on that point was it? And why it occasions mentions of 'fags' is beyond me.

[Bruce Rioja]

I think perhaps he'd prefer a situation in which the pupils stand respectfully when he enters the classroom.

Do they not, now? We always did.

That's cos you're old. I would guess in the past majority of schools they don't now.

Husht you

I'd imagine a lot of other schools didn't even back then. Our's was ruled by fear.

[Hoboh]

I think perhaps he'd prefer a situation in which the pupils stand respectfully when he enters the classroom.

Do they not, now? We always did.

That's cos you're old. I would guess in the past majority of schools they don't now.

Husht you

I'd imagine a lot of other schools didn't even back then. Our's was ruled by fear.

ditto

[William the White]

I think perhaps he'd prefer a situation in which the pupils stand respectfully when he enters the classroom.

Do they not, now? We always did.

That's cos you're old. I would guess in the past majority of schools they don't now.

Husht you

I'd imagine a lot of other schools didn't even back then. Our's was ruled by fear.

ditto

mine was ruled by pricks...

[BWFC_Insane]

I predicted this, when Cameron started in office.

Depressingly accurate...

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[Prufrock]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

[William the White]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

I think this is a promising line of attack. since it is, actually, true... And since it was said originally by a Tory back bencher even more damaging...

I think there are many more depressing things on telly than this...

But nothing more depressing than the posh boys at play...

[TANGODANCER]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

The whole Parlimentary sessions with a house full of braying morons who are supposed to be running our country, yet spend all their time jeering, hollering, blaming and sniping at each other is depressing in its entirety. Government? Really?

[Prufrock]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

I think this is a promising line of attack. since it is, actually, true... And since it was said originally by a Tory back bencher even more damaging...

I think there are many more depressing things on telly than this...

But nothing more depressing than the posh boys at play...

What, from salt of the earth Milliband?

Couldn't care less if they are 'posh'. I'm not saying don't attack them, but attack them for their fecking policies. 'Pasty'-gate did my head in. Perfectly sensible closing of a loophole, and they get criticised for not having Gregg's loyalty cards. Is Osbourne meant to have tried all the things he taxes?

The predictions are we're back in recession, and they're cocking about like 12 year old boys taking the piss out of each other's voices.

TD bob on.

[Hoboh]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

The whole Parlimentary sessions with a house full of braying morons who are supposed to be running our country, yet spend all their time jeering, hollering, blaming and sniping at each other is depressing in its entirety. Government? Really?

Ah come on Tango you should know that’s all a show, the real work goes on in the corridors, backrooms and dinner party's.
I will abolish them of coarse (The Parlimentary sessions) no time to waste on trivial things like that, a weekly news posting will keep people informed of plans.
Infact my idea would be to eliminate Parliment all together and run the country like a company where the people (shareholders) could replace the board by voting in AGM's if they wanted the board would then be free to make managerial desisions on experts (managers) to run all aspects of the country (within a legal framework of course) and as a last resort I errr I mean an elected president could step in in national emergencies.

[William the White]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

I think this is a promising line of attack. since it is, actually, true... And since it was said originally by a Tory back bencher even more damaging...

I think there are many more depressing things on telly than this...

But nothing more depressing than the posh boys at play...

What, from salt of the earth Milliband?

Couldn't care less if they are 'posh'. I'm not saying don't attack them, but attack them for their fecking policies. 'Pasty'-gate did my head in. Perfectly sensible closing of a loophole, and they get criticised for not having Gregg's loyalty cards. Is Osbourne meant to have tried all the things he taxes?

The predictions are we're back in recession, and they're cocking about like 12 year old boys taking the piss out of each other's voices.

TD bob on.

I understand where you are coming from - but I, actually, do find it deeply depressing that we are once more being ruled by Old Etonians...

[Armchair Wanderer]

Was just reading a very brief summary of how/why marxism/socialism started in the 19th century. You basically had a few people who owned the factories and everyone else either worked in them for hardly anything, or had no job. Then, as factory A competes with factory B it has to streamline and cut costs, i.e. install machines and reduce labour costs. Socialism was meant to make things a bit more even for the workers/non-factory owners.

When I hear a tory speak anywhere near an election I see the pompous factory owners from the nineteenth century. With not having a majority this lot aren't as bad as I remember the previous lot, but still fairly bad. Pickles is straight out of a Dickens novel.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Was just reading a very brief summary of how/why marxism/socialism started in the 19th century. You basically had a few people who owned the factories and everyone else either worked in them for hardly anything, or had no job. Then, as factory A competes with factory B it has to streamline and cut costs, i.e. install machines and reduce labour costs. Socialism was meant to make things a bit more even for the workers/non-factory owners.

When I hear a tory speak anywhere near an election I see the pompous factory owners from the nineteenth century. With not having a majority this lot aren't as bad as I remember the previous lot, but still fairly bad. Pickles is straight out of a Dickens novel.

Thanks for this penetrating insight.

[BWFC_Insane]

Was just reading a very brief summary of how/why marxism/socialism started in the 19th century. You basically had a few people who owned the factories and everyone else either worked in them for hardly anything, or had no job. Then, as factory A competes with factory B it has to streamline and cut costs, i.e. install machines and reduce labour costs. Socialism was meant to make things a bit more even for the workers/non-factory owners.

When I hear a tory speak anywhere near an election I see the pompous factory owners from the nineteenth century. With not having a majority this lot aren't as bad as I remember the previous lot, but still fairly bad. Pickles is straight out of a Dickens novel.

Thanks for this penetrating insight.

He's right though.

And not only that these "factory owners" have completely and miserably failed.

Brown left us with growth. And a plan to continue that growth whilst reducing the deficit.

He told everyone what would happen with the Tory plans.

He was right. Because he understood the economic situation.

Osborne and Cameron have got it massively and embarrasingly wrong.

[Lord Kangana]

Ed Milliband ranting about 'arrogant posh boys', even if quoting. PMQ's is the most depressing thing on telly.

The whole Parlimentary sessions with a house full of braying morons who are supposed to be running our country, yet spend all their time jeering, hollering, blaming and sniping at each other is depressing in its entirety. Government? Really?

Ah come on Tango you should know that’s all a show, the real work goes on in the corridors, backrooms and dinner party's.
I will abolish them of coarse (The Parlimentary sessions) no time to waste on trivial things like that, a weekly news posting will keep people informed of plans.
Infact my idea would be to eliminate Parliment all together and run the country like a company where the people (shareholders) could replace the board by voting in AGM's if they wanted the board would then be free to make managerial desisions on experts (managers) to run all aspects of the country (within a legal framework of course) and as a last resort I errr I mean an elected president could step in in national emergencies.

So rip it up and replace it with an almost identical system?

Interesting approach, no-one will be expecting that, and its not like anyone has ever tried that before...

Anyway, I'm just off to do my bit for the economy by mortgaging my car and paypacket for a billion percent and spending it all on online B ing o whilst getting ripped off my tits on cider. If only the rest of you would pull your collectives fingers out we could save gorgeous George some very public embarrassment.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

He's right though.

And not only that these "factory owners" have completely and miserably failed.

Brown left us with growth. And a plan to continue that growth whilst reducing the deficit.

He told everyone what would happen with the Tory plans.

He was right. Because he understood the economic situation.

Osborne and Cameron have got it massively and embarrasingly wrong.

Just for the hell of it... what exactly is your view of how different the Labour spending plans were from the Coalition's?

And what is your view of how different the numbers would now be if they had been implemented.

For you to say that "Osborne and Cameron have got it massively and embarrasingly [sic] wrong", in your world, the margin must be enormous?

[Armchair Wanderer]

Arguing about a single issue is a bit pointless because who can say what Labour would've done, or the Conservatives would have done for the previous 10 years.

All you can/should do is look at what the party is all about and see if that sits well with you. So, here's my summary (especially for mummy)...

Conservatives... personal wealth
Labour... people/public services
Green party... the environment
UKIP... getting out of Europe
BNP... racism
Lib Dems... paternity leave? cannabis? erm

I get the concept of the private sector taking up in the gaps the public sector leaves. But that seems to be one of the probs right now.

Was pleased to see on QT last night they were talking about the rents in London. There's an argument to say that welfare has artificially inflated rents in London/everywhere. If they fix that the cost of welfare would reduce... but you're also restricting landlords' ability to make money which is anti-capitalist.