The Politics Thread

[thebish]

Awful lot of people frowning on Jimmy Carr's tax affairs.

I'd jump at the chance to legally pay less tax if I could. And anyone who says they wouldn't do the same is a bare faced liar who will burn in the bowels of hell for all eternity.

you can - it's called an ISA - a tax avoidance scheme for savings.

[Worthy4England]

Awful lot of people frowning on Jimmy Carr's tax affairs.

I'd jump at the chance to legally pay less tax if I could. And anyone who says they wouldn't do the same is a bare faced liar who will burn in the bowels of hell for all eternity.

I'm not particularly frowning on people using legal mechanisms to reduce their tax burden. I think it's a bit of a pi$$er that the tax loopholes aren't closed down, if they're not closed down, that not everyone can take advantage of them - that makes them inequitable, and that the political leader of our country will take one person to task and not one of hite "mates"

[CrazyHorse]

Fairy nuff.
But to be fair, Cameron can't do right for doing wrong over something like this-he can't pull up every individual case and say they're a very naughty boy nor can he just ignore it and pretend it isn't happening either. Just take comfort from the fact he comes out looking like a prick no matter what he does.
I'm not arsed about Carr or Green or the Take That lads; good luck to them all. It's yer Vodafones and yer Amazons that want fcking. Someone send Hoboh round to Vodafone HQ-he'll sort them out.

[thebish]

I'm not arsed about Carr or Green or the Take That lads; good luck to them all. It's yer Vodafones and yer Amazons that want fcking. Someone send Hoboh round to Vodafone HQ-he'll sort them out.

is what vodafone and amazon are doing illegal?

[CrazyHorse]

I'm not arsed about Carr or Green or the Take That lads; good luck to them all. It's yer Vodafones and yer Amazons that want fcking. Someone send Hoboh round to Vodafone HQ-he'll sort them out.

is what vodafone and amazon are doing illegal?

No idea. Why?

[thebish]

I'm not arsed about Carr or Green or the Take That lads; good luck to them all. It's yer Vodafones and yer Amazons that want fcking. Someone send Hoboh round to Vodafone HQ-he'll sort them out.

is what vodafone and amazon are doing illegal?

No idea. Why?

1. because I don't know - and I thought you might.
2. because if I was in charge of a company I'd jump at the chance to legally pay less tax if I could. And anyone who says they wouldn't do the same is a bare faced liar who will burn in the bowels of hell for all eternity. (not that I believe in hell!)

[CrazyHorse]

Agreed.
Can't blame yer Vodafones and yer Amazons for paying as little as they can. Reason I say they want fcking & that Hoboh is the best man for the job though is because the country has gone crazy over Jimmy Carr's £800k or so avoidance yet no one is talking about Vodafone's £1.2billion or so avoidance. And I think the Amazon annual tax bill is £0. Where's the public outcry?

[CrazyHorse]

And I'm fairly certain hell does exist. Imagine getting trapped in a lift with Dave Whelan.

[Worthy4England]

And I'm fairly certain hell does exist. Imagine getting trapped in a lift with Dave Whelan.

I got trapped in a lift with Steve Bruce after the Sunnerland game last season, so I think I've been at least half way to hell and back. (Well not trapped in the sense that it stopped between floors or owt)

[thebish]

Agreed.
Can't blame yer Vodafones and yer Amazons for paying as little as they can. Reason I say they want fcking & that Hoboh is the best man for the job though is because the country has gone crazy over Jimmy Carr's £800k or so avoidance yet no one is talking about Vodafone's £1.2billion or so avoidance. And I think the Amazon annual tax bill is £0. Where's the public outcry?

I've heard quite a lot of outcry about Vodafone - but I think that's quite an old story, hence I guess coverage drops off as time passes?

certainly they are bigger problems than Jimmy Carr!! - I thought Vodafone was in for more like £6billion...

I had a little rant on fb not long ago about Amazon charging massively higher prices in the UK for their Kindles - but actually paying (as you point out) NO TAX AT ALL in the UK...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

But to be fair, Cameron can't do right for doing wrong over something like this-he can't pull up every individual case and say they're a very naughty boy nor can he just ignore it and pretend it isn't happening either. Just take comfort from the fact he comes out looking like a prick no matter what he does.

[Bruce Rioja]

And I'm fairly certain hell does exist. Imagine getting trapped in a lift with Dave Whelan.

I got trapped in a lift with Steve Bruce after the Sunnerland game last season, so I think I've been at least half way to hell and back. (Well not trapped in the sense that it stopped between floors or owt)

Am glad I wasn't with you - what was this lift's maximum payload?

[Worthy4England]

And I'm fairly certain hell does exist. Imagine getting trapped in a lift with Dave Whelan.

I got trapped in a lift with Steve Bruce after the Sunnerland game last season, so I think I've been at least half way to hell and back. (Well not trapped in the sense that it stopped between floors or owt)

Am glad I wasn't with you - what was this lift's maximum payload?

You mean if I fired it at you?

I'm guessing it was more than 2 Steve Bruce's...

[Hoboh]

First bit of sense spoken by any politician for a long, long time;

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx ... =250344914" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ed Miliband has promised new measures to prevent British people being "locked out" of jobs by foreign workers, including forcing firms to declare if they employ high numbers of immigrants. Overseas-only employment agencies would be banned and an early-warning system set up to highlight areas where locals are "dominated" by an influx of overseas labour under the proposals.While there cannot be set quotas on home-grown workers, urgent action is required to identify where British jobseekers need better training to compete, said the Labour leader.
Demanding that job centres be told of all firms where more than one in four staff is from overseas would form part of the new system to provide Whitehall and town halls with vital information.Mr Miliband hopes to shift the focus of the debate from border controls, and what he says are ineffective Government caps on arrivals, towards the impact on people's daily lives. While restrictions on new arrivals, including caps on people from any new EU member state, are necessary, reforming the jobs market is just as important, he argued.
Mr Miliband distanced himself from the rhetoric of his predecessor Gordon Brown, saying: "I am not going to promise 'British jobs for British workers'. But we need an economy which offers working people a fair crack of the whip. The problem we need to address is in those areas and sectors where local talent is locked out of opportunity. "He said Labour had to change its approach to immigration and recognise "the costs as well as the benefits", arguing the last Labour government under Mr Brown became "too disconnected from the concerns of working people". "We too easily assumed those who worried about immigration were stuck in the past, unrealistic about how things could be different, even prejudiced. But Britain was experiencing the largest peacetime migration in recent history, and people's concerns were genuine. Why didn't we listen more? At least by the end of our time in office, we were too dazzled by globalisation and too sanguine about its price."
In a further pointed swipe at Mr Brown, he said people who expressed legitimate concerns about immigration should be engaged with, not dismissed as "bigoted". The former prime minister damaged Labour's 2010 election campaign when he was caught on microphone using the term about a voter he met in Rochdale. "Worrying about immigration, talking about immigration, thinking about immigration, does not make them bigots. Not in any way," Mr Miliband said. "They're anxious about the future. And since this conversation is going on in the houses, streets and neighbourhoods of Britain, it must be a conversation that the Labour Party joins too."

[CrazyHorse]

Aye Frankie Boyle tweeted about that one earlier. I nearly wet myself...

Ed Miliband finally unveils a policy. More Racism. I just saw him gibbering about it with a face like a widow's vagina hitting G Force.

[Worthy4England]

Aye Frankie Boyle tweeted about that one earlier. I nearly wet myself...

Ed Miliband finally unveils a policy. More Racism. I just saw him gibbering about it with a face like a widow's vagina hitting G Force.

[Hoboh]

Aye Frankie Boyle tweeted about that one earlier. I nearly wet myself...

Ed Miliband finally unveils a policy. More Racism. I just saw him gibbering about it with a face like a widow's vagina hitting G Force.

Ahhhh another one we can deport once the Scots break away from England

[a1]

First bit of sense spoken by any politician for a long, long time;

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx ... =250344914" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ed Miliband has promised new measures to prevent British people being "locked out" of jobs by foreign workers, including forcing firms to declare if they employ high numbers of immigrants. Overseas-only employment agencies would be banned and an early-warning system set up to highlight areas where locals are "dominated" by an influx of overseas labour under the proposals.While there cannot be set quotas on home-grown workers, urgent action is required to identify where British jobseekers need better training to compete, said the Labour leader.
Demanding that job centres be told of all firms where more than one in four staff is from overseas would form part of the new system to provide Whitehall and town halls with vital information.Mr Miliband hopes to shift the focus of the debate from border controls, and what he says are ineffective Government caps on arrivals, towards the impact on people's daily lives. While restrictions on new arrivals, including caps on people from any new EU member state, are necessary, reforming the jobs market is just as important, he argued.
Mr Miliband distanced himself from the rhetoric of his predecessor Gordon Brown, saying: "I am not going to promise 'British jobs for British workers'. But we need an economy which offers working people a fair crack of the whip. The problem we need to address is in those areas and sectors where local talent is locked out of opportunity. "He said Labour had to change its approach to immigration and recognise "the costs as well as the benefits", arguing the last Labour government under Mr Brown became "too disconnected from the concerns of working people". "We too easily assumed those who worried about immigration were stuck in the past, unrealistic about how things could be different, even prejudiced. But Britain was experiencing the largest peacetime migration in recent history, and people's concerns were genuine. Why didn't we listen more? At least by the end of our time in office, we were too dazzled by globalisation and too sanguine about its price."
In a further pointed swipe at Mr Brown, he said people who expressed legitimate concerns about immigration should be engaged with, not dismissed as "bigoted". The former prime minister damaged Labour's 2010 election campaign when he was caught on microphone using the term about a voter he met in Rochdale. "Worrying about immigration, talking about immigration, thinking about immigration, does not make them bigots. Not in any way," Mr Miliband said. "They're anxious about the future. And since this conversation is going on in the houses, streets and neighbourhoods of Britain, it must be a conversation that the Labour Party joins too."

they carnt do nowt about it now. they dont want to do anything about it, it worked out the way they were expecting. and theyre happy about how it turned out. regardless of what may happen in the future.

all thats happened here is people are getting pissed off about being percieved as a bigot .. and thats easy to side with as thats nothing to do with racism or immigration directly, its a smokescreen that avoids the issue.. and thats good because they dont want to do anything about it, it worked out the way they were expecting. and theyre happy about how it turned out. regardless of what may happen in the future.

in x years time it'll dredge up again. for a bit.

[Lord Kangana]

Immigration is an economic, not a political, debate.

Its interesting that the Daily Mailista's (is that what you call the grumpy f*ckers who get annoyed with everything that isn't directly benefitting them immediately?) is that the left has been blamed, but interestingly medium and large scale business has benefitted the most from a glut of cheap employees. I generalise, but I don't think "the left" can claim the overwhlming majority as allies.

However, nowt will get done.

[thebish]

right...

politicians of all persuasions who get themselves on t'radio and call for a sensible/grown-up debate on an issue. Yet when asked about the issue - their only opinion is that we should have a sensible grown-up debate about it... well - OK - let's have the debate then - what do you actually think? errr.. well - I think we should have a sensible grown-up debate about the issue and I don't want to prejudice the outcome of that debate by telling you what I think...


arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! fecksticks - the lot of them!!!!