European Second Referendum

[Enoch]

I'd have a word with the Catalans and Scots if I were you. You could include the Welsh and the Northern Irish. You could expand that to the Irish. Then you could start questioning the English as to whether they felt they had a proportional say in the UK...
After that you could start to question what it was/is that we do/don't have a say in. We could start with the Eurozone demanding we help with bailing out the Greek crisis. We could continue with fishing rights in our own waters, and go on to EU demands that unelected EU ambassadors have more priority than National ambassadors (which only Trump's America has rescinded)...

After that we could talk about NATO v EU Army, and the "Ever Increasing Union". I'll stop there for the moment. Let you digest that...

None of that is relevant to sovereignty.

As May has said repeatedly there will be many points of international law and standards that we will still be subject to after leaving.

Our parliament still had complete sovereign power by any definition of the word sovereign. If it didn't like the rules of the EU club (that we were part of forming said rules) then they could exercise said sovereignty by deciding to leave.

As has been said by May many times over - when we leave we will still be subject to international laws and standards - that doesn't mean we aren't sovereign. If we sign a Free trade deal with someone we will be subject to rules within it. That doesn't mean we aren't sovereign.

Scotland is not sovereign as whilst it can make some of its own laws - it cannot make ALL of them - AND - they cannot self determine their exit from the union.

Clear distinction.

You didn't bother to read what I wrote:

EU Treaty Law has primacy over UK Law, because we, by an Act of Parliament, joined the forerunner of the EU. In order to wrest that primacy back, we need to leave the EU. That is not an opinion. It is Fact.
THEREFORE IT IS A MATTER OF SOVEREIGNTY.

By definition we always had our sovereignty. End of. If you don’t like the rules of the club you can leave. As we are doing.

We were rule makers as part of the club.

...which makes it a matter of sovereignity: i.e direct or watered down.

Sovereignty is like pregnancy.

Indeed, I have three states.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

[TANGODANCER]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

And people wonder why we wanted to leave the E.U in the first place? It's all just a "all pals together" gang of bully boys and girls (I use the terms in their very loosest sense) for the power seekers and financial moguls run by a committee that makes our government look almost mild and sensible. Cue, a quick chorus of "Ride of the Valkyries" in in sweeps Insaney..howling "Nay!"

[BWFC_Insane]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

[BWFC_Insane]

Brexit....Yay money for Northern towns...seeeee what happens now we're leaving....

Oh......

https://twitter.com/CllrNickSmall/statu ... 5966917633

Nick Small
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The UK's allocation under EU cohesion funding would be €13 billion compared with £1.6 billion under the PM's proposed Stronger Towns Fund both over 7 years.

[BWFC_Insane]

Now we have this from the Sun in October 2016...

https://twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/stat ... 2572175360

OH MY GOD!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

Because they claim it is "part of our already legal commitments". Nothing whatsoever to do with price, supermarkets, markets, or free trade. All to do with EU treaties.
Part of of more bullshit coming in the next few months... The £61 billion they didn't manage to extract in addition to the £39 billion price for not having a trade deal in the first place...

[BWFC_Insane]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

Because they claim it is "part of our already legal commitments". Nothing whatsoever to do with price, supermarkets, markets, or free trade. All to do with EU treaties.
Part of of more bullshit coming in the next few months... The £61 billion they didn't manage to extract in addition to the £39 billion price for not having a trade deal in the first place...

Do you have a source for this I could read please?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

Because they claim it is "part of our already legal commitments". Nothing whatsoever to do with price, supermarkets, markets, or free trade. All to do with EU treaties.
Part of of more bullshit coming in the next few months... The £61 billion they didn't manage to extract in addition to the £39 billion price for not having a trade deal in the first place...

Do you have a source for this I could read please?

Only if you have dosh. I read a bespoke terribly exclusive in depth journal. It's called The Times. Unfortunately, unlike most rags, it does not allow access to what it prints unless you pay for it... So I suggest a trip to your local library: it's not secret, just unavailable for distribution for free...

[BWFC_Insane]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

Because they claim it is "part of our already legal commitments". Nothing whatsoever to do with price, supermarkets, markets, or free trade. All to do with EU treaties.
Part of of more bullshit coming in the next few months... The £61 billion they didn't manage to extract in addition to the £39 billion price for not having a trade deal in the first place...

Do you have a source for this I could read please?

Only if you have dosh. I read a bespoke terribly exclusive in depth journal. It's called The Times. Unfortunately, unlike most rags, it does not allow access to what it prints unless you pay for it... So I suggest a trip to your local library: it's not secret, just unavailable for distribution for free...

I'm subbed. Do you have the link please?

Also I'm surprised you read the dastardly remain supporting Times....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

Because they claim it is "part of our already legal commitments". Nothing whatsoever to do with price, supermarkets, markets, or free trade. All to do with EU treaties.
Part of of more bullshit coming in the next few months... The £61 billion they didn't manage to extract in addition to the £39 billion price for not having a trade deal in the first place...

Do you have a source for this I could read please?

Only if you have dosh. I read a bespoke terribly exclusive in depth journal. It's called The Times. Unfortunately, unlike most rags, it does not allow access to what it prints unless you pay for it... So I suggest a trip to your local library: it's not secret, just unavailable for distribution for free...

I'm subbed. Do you have the link please?

Also I'm surprised you read the dastardly remain supporting Times....

Unlike you I'm not. I buy the print version. It was in the Business section. First page half way down.

The Times is neutral. It gives opinions from ultra Remainers' like Matthew Parris (who by the way was formerly my MP and member of my local running club: he still holds both Matlock RC and Members of Parliament records for the marathon - 2 hours 38 if I remember correctly. I also know him as a convivial drinker in many of our [Derbyshire's] beautiful pubs)
As well as ultra leavers like Melanie Phillips (who I have never met, talked to, run against, nor drank with).
Fxcking strange, life, don't you think?

[BWFC_Insane]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

Because they claim it is "part of our already legal commitments". Nothing whatsoever to do with price, supermarkets, markets, or free trade. All to do with EU treaties.
Part of of more bullshit coming in the next few months... The £61 billion they didn't manage to extract in addition to the £39 billion price for not having a trade deal in the first place...

Do you have a source for this I could read please?

Only if you have dosh. I read a bespoke terribly exclusive in depth journal. It's called The Times. Unfortunately, unlike most rags, it does not allow access to what it prints unless you pay for it... So I suggest a trip to your local library: it's not secret, just unavailable for distribution for free...

I'm subbed. Do you have the link please?

Also I'm surprised you read the dastardly remain supporting Times....

Unlike you I'm not. I buy the print version. It was in the Business section. First page half way down.

The Times is neutral. It gives opinions from ultra Remainers' like Matthew Parris (who by the way was formerly my MP and member of my local running club: he still holds both Matlock RC and Members of Parliament records for the marathon - 2 hours 38 if I remember correctly. I also know him as a convivial drinker in many of our [Derbyshire's] beautiful pubs)
As well as ultra leavers like Melanie Phillips (who I have never met, talked to, run against, nor drank with).
Fxcking strange, life, don't you think?

Found it. The article is somewhat vague to be honest and does not explain how in a no deal scenario we'd be "forced to import our quota". It doesn't even say we'd be forced to. In fact given that deal is between NZ and the EU one might contend that in allowing that to continue we'd be "having our cake and eating it".

I have seen other views that suggest the problem will be that supermarkets a) want NZ lamb as it is far cheaper and b) the no deal cliff edge doesn't give them time to adjust their supply chains even if they wanted to/could afford to.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

This is the sort of bullshit the EU is coming out with at the moment:
In a few weeks time nearly twenty million lambs will be born in this country. From them we will export some 94,700 tons of lesser cuts fresh/chilled to the EU... Or we would normally.
Also normally, the EU imports 220,000 tons of lamb (frozen) from New Zealand of which we import half of that in the form of the best cuts.

But if there is No Deal, the EU will not allow British lamb in to the EU at all, but will demand that we have to take the 50% of EU imported lamb from NZ, and pay a 45% tariff on top!
If there is a deal, then this year we can export the 94,700 tons of lamb at a tariff of 45% to the EU and they will still demand we import 110,000 tons at a tariff to us of 45%.

Please note, we are self sufficient in lamb. We could eat it all and not export any and farmers would notice no difference.
But because of the intransigence of the EU, who could import all 220,000 tons of NZ lamb (but which would include all the expensive cuts), and take none of ours - they are threatening us with legal action over the 'promise' to take our share of NZ lamb, whilst ignoring their commitment to take our lamb. Cakeism!
And what do our spineless politicians do? Spread Project Fear mark 3: there are already newspaper reports about farms in this country having to pay £100 per lamb just to shoot the m and bury them in their millions.

Fxcking Bullshit...

If there is no deal how can the EU insist on us taking NZ lamb? Do you have something that attempts to explain the mechanism by which the EU could force us?

I don’t know but I suspect the issue is one of price sensitivity and supermarkets....

Because they claim it is "part of our already legal commitments". Nothing whatsoever to do with price, supermarkets, markets, or free trade. All to do with EU treaties.
Part of of more bullshit coming in the next few months... The £61 billion they didn't manage to extract in addition to the £39 billion price for not having a trade deal in the first place...

Do you have a source for this I could read please?

Only if you have dosh. I read a bespoke terribly exclusive in depth journal. It's called The Times. Unfortunately, unlike most rags, it does not allow access to what it prints unless you pay for it... So I suggest a trip to your local library: it's not secret, just unavailable for distribution for free...

I'm subbed. Do you have the link please?

Also I'm surprised you read the dastardly remain supporting Times....

Unlike you I'm not. I buy the print version. It was in the Business section. First page half way down.

The Times is neutral. It gives opinions from ultra Remainers' like Matthew Parris (who by the way was formerly my MP and member of my local running club: he still holds both Matlock RC and Members of Parliament records for the marathon - 2 hours 38 if I remember correctly. I also know him as a convivial drinker in many of our [Derbyshire's] beautiful pubs)
As well as ultra leavers like Melanie Phillips (who I have never met, talked to, run against, nor drank with).
Fxcking strange, life, don't you think?

Found it. The article is somewhat vague to be honest and does not explain how in a no deal scenario we'd be "forced to import our quota". It doesn't even say we'd be forced to. In fact given that deal is between NZ and the EU one might contend that in allowing that to continue we'd be "having our cake and eating it".

I have seen other views that suggest the problem will be that supermarkets a) want NZ lamb as it is far cheaper and b) the no deal cliff edge doesn't give them time to adjust their supply chains even if they wanted to/could afford to.

Well I tried to give you a hint. The conversation starter was the article, the conclusions were by Remainers' who shall remain anonymous...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Hands up, how many people here knew that your Dutch radishes and Italian grown lettuce were chlorinated? Come on...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47440562

So much for the vaunted EU standards in food safety.
By the way, next time you watch MasterChef The Professionals and they sous-vide some dish, ask yourself how safe is that? How much plastic are you eating?
How much phthalate does the EU tolerate over and above chemicals in chlorinated chicken?

[Enoch]

Hands up, how many people here knew that your Dutch radishes and Italian grown lettuce were chlorinated? Come on...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47440562

So much for the vaunted EU standards in food safety.
By the way, next time you watch MasterChef The Professionals and they sous-vide some dish, ask yourself how safe is that? How much plastic are you eating?
How much phthalate does the EU tolerate over and above chemicals in chlorinated chicken?

I knew that. Lots of UK veg is chlorinated too. I think the objections to US chicken is more about farming methods than chlorination but it gives some folk a stick to beat with.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Hands up, how many people here knew that your Dutch radishes and Italian grown lettuce were chlorinated? Come on...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47440562

So much for the vaunted EU standards in food safety.
By the way, next time you watch MasterChef The Professionals and they sous-vide some dish, ask yourself how safe is that? How much plastic are you eating?
How much phthalate does the EU tolerate over and above chemicals in chlorinated chicken?

I knew that. Lots of UK veg is chlorinated too. I think the objections to US chicken is more about farming methods than chlorination but it gives some folk a stick to beat with.

I didn't know that.
It certainly gives me a bigger stick to beat transporting our calves to fxcking France and Spain with...

[BWFC_Insane]

Hands up, how many people here knew that your Dutch radishes and Italian grown lettuce were chlorinated? Come on...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47440562

So much for the vaunted EU standards in food safety.
By the way, next time you watch MasterChef The Professionals and they sous-vide some dish, ask yourself how safe is that? How much plastic are you eating?
How much phthalate does the EU tolerate over and above chemicals in chlorinated chicken?

Chicken washed with chlorine is not dangerous per se. It is banned simply because it can be used as a "get out" for poor rearing and hygiene.

One of the bigger issues generally is the far lower standards US producers are subject to - and the fact that they often use high levels of antibiotics compared to the EU farmers (and antibiotic use will be banned in the EU from 2022 I believe) - which is strongly linked to a rise in MRSA like bugs.....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Project Fear rolls over into Project Delay Delay Delay...

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1034646/

and to remind you, who exactly these non-elected College of Commissioners are:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/about-europea ... dership_en

[BWFC_Insane]

Project Fear rolls over into Project Delay Delay Delay...

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1034646/

and to remind you, who exactly these non-elected College of Commissioners are:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/about-europea ... dership_en

Negotiations will be difficult when once again (for at least the third time) the UK turn up without an actual solution or proposal to discuss.

You can't blame the EU for saying - "what solution do you propose?" the UK coming with a blank sheet of paper time and time again and the EU not having anything to actually negotiate on.....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Project Fear rolls over into Project Delay Delay Delay...

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1034646/

and to remind you, who exactly these non-elected College of Commissioners are:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/about-europea ... dership_en

Negotiations will be difficult when once again (for at least the third time) the UK turn up without an actual solution or proposal to discuss.

You can't blame the EU for saying - "what solution do you propose?" the UK coming with a blank sheet of paper time and time again and the EU not having anything to actually negotiate on.....

I have no idea if May even knows what a piece of paper looks like, but Geoffrey Cox will not have turned up with a blank sheet of paper.
Once again, the EU are deliberately being intransigent; and once again this is the fault of Remainers' May having negotiated away anything that would lead to a reasonable compromise.
We should never have agreed to trade talks AFTER a withdrawal agreement: they should have been simultaneous.
But, once we had, May was at least right with her two slogans "No deal is better than a bad deal" and "Brexit means Brexit".
But yet again we collapse and roll over.