2024, hoodwink and bamboozle the public

[Hoboh]

I totally agree with that Boris.

And what a fantastic show on the election trail we have had so far:
Votes for 16yo, you can/cannot stand for election.
All kids to sign up for the army, well all mostly males, look at me falling off a paddle board, sliding down a water slide and now the promise of free Premier league on national TV channels!
Wake me up on the 5th.

Yeah, it needs a rejoin the EU referendum from one of them. That should spice it up a bit.

Did we ever really leave?
Yet another failure from the Con-servatives.

In what ways are we still in? We could just stop trading with them altogether. That'd make great sense.

What were you expecting to happen, given all the Brexit folks knew what they were voting for?

I was remain, not because I love the EU, just to save us this clusterfuck.

Sunlit fcuking uplands my arse.

The Germans were quite happy in their usual pragmatic way to continue trade with the UK, the real problem was the ones we should have had a massive trade war with, the bloody spineless frogs.
We are still hooked up to some EU/European entity's which we should have left, ECHR etc.
The only 'clusterfuck' is in the minds of the weeping remainers who often accuse leave of having no valid exit benefits but cannot point to any massive loss either, well other than holidays/movement in the EU which in turn would have meant more Eastern European undesirables arriving here.
Membership of the EU in the current world climate would be costing us billions more in fees now.
I do wish some would stop pretending everything is roses in the EU, because it ain't.

[Worthy4England]

The pitch wasn't about no massive loss. It was about sunlit uplands.

I think at best the exit benefits are sparse, with some things getting a whole lot trickier and costly. We might have stopped "Eastern European undesireables" - but doubtless we will be attracting some similar from elsewhere with our record immigration.

I mean the people doing the most weeping about Brexit seems to be Brexiteers. The Remainers are just smugly saying "fcking told you so"

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

no valid exit benefits but cannot point to any massive loss either, well other than holidays/movement

Off the top of my head..

No extra red tape throttling supply of goods, meaning less supply, higher prices, loss of choice, loss of jobs. The exact opposite of what we were promised about red tape.

Not agreeing to continue membership of things like the European Medicines Agency. Creating more red tape, higher costs, slower access to pharmaceuticals and some shortages. Not to mention loss of status of being one of, if not the leading life science countries.

Rule takers rather than maker.

Nice little border in the Irish Sea

Smaller UK economy

Now what were the benefits? The only one I have witnessed that I can recall is I was able to remove 5% VAT on tampons

[boltonboris]

Little Englanders also see "small" things, like having to pay Data Roaming charges and Call charges and extra queueing time in airports as the EU "punishing" us for voting leave. No, we're just no longer in the EU so have the same rights there as people from Bongo Bongo Land

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

have the same rights there as people from Bongo Bongo Land

Yeah, but we're special so should have extra privilege.

[Hoboh]

Learned a lot last night didn't we?
NOT.

[BWFC_Insane]

Learned a lot last night didn't we?
NOT.

We learned that Starmer is a decent bloke who uses far too many words to make a point, Sunak will just shout out glib lies at any opportunity.

I don’t like to admit it but sadly the big winner was your mate Farage.

[Hoboh]

Learned a lot last night didn't we?
NOT.

We learned that Starmer is a decent bloke who uses far too many words to make a point, Sunak will just shout out glib lies at any opportunity.

I don’t like to admit it but sadly the big winner was your mate Farage.

What's sadly got to do with it?
If someone actually stirs up politics and political parties in this country, I would be happy to stand him a pint.
The mess the two big parties constantly get us into needs sorting, I've never been a fan of PR, figuring it usually drags out stalemate but I'm leaning towards it now.
There is no real difference between the leading two parties now and that's worrying, even more worrying is the Lib Dems think a childlike clown would be competent enough to be PM, thank God that will never happen.
Actually when, notice when, Starmer gets elected I doubt I'd be too bothered but I don't there will be this massive majority being predicted.
What does worry me is when independent Corbyn arrives back is the slimeball momentum snakes slither out from under their rocks and move labour very left, left enough to bring the black Prince back onto the scene to couple upto his redheaded princess.
These people have not gone away and still make up the majority of Labour members.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ I don’t think you’ve been watching very closely what has been happening with Labour Party nominations but Corbyn and his gang are all gone. They’ve been absolutely yeeted out as the kids say. Also momentum - are nothing to do with Labour now. Most of these loons are either indies or with the Greens who are also now having to kick some of them out!

[Hoboh]

^^ I don’t think you’ve been watching very closely what has been happening with Labour Party nominations but Corbyn and his gang are all gone. They’ve been absolutely yeeted out as the kids say. Also momentum - are nothing to do with Labour now. Most of these loons are either indies or with the Greens who are also now having to kick some of them out!

Raynor, white van woman, lammy, Abbott.
Not all gone at all and if you seriously think momentum have simply vanished, pinch yourself.
Anyway I suspect we will soon find out.

On another note watched earlier the party political broadcast by the Lib Dems, 95% about the life of the clown and 5% about the point he was trying to push.
And they wonder......

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ I don’t think you’ve been watching very closely what has been happening with Labour Party nominations but Corbyn and his gang are all gone. They’ve been absolutely yeeted out as the kids say. Also momentum - are nothing to do with Labour now. Most of these loons are either indies or with the Greens who are also now having to kick some of them out!

Raynor, white van woman, lammy, Abbott.
Not all gone at all and if you seriously think momentum have simply vanished, pinch yourself.
Anyway I suspect we will soon find out.

On another note watched earlier the party political broadcast by the Lib Dems, 95% about the life of the clown and 5% about the point he was trying to push.
And they wonder......

Abbott sure but she’s on her own and hates everyone and will be pushed as soon as possible.

The rest…I mean Lammy was in Blair’s government you can hardly claim he was a Corbynite, Rayner isn’t either.

Momentum exist but they lost control of the NEC and their co founder quit to join the greens and essentially they are all going to the greens….

[Hoboh]

^^ I don’t think you’ve been watching very closely what has been happening with Labour Party nominations but Corbyn and his gang are all gone. They’ve been absolutely yeeted out as the kids say. Also momentum - are nothing to do with Labour now. Most of these loons are either indies or with the Greens who are also now having to kick some of them out!

Raynor, white van woman, lammy, Abbott.
Not all gone at all and if you seriously think momentum have simply vanished, pinch yourself.
Anyway I suspect we will soon find out.

On another note watched earlier the party political broadcast by the Lib Dems, 95% about the life of the clown and 5% about the point he was trying to push.
And they wonder......

Abbott sure but she’s on her own and hates everyone and will be pushed as soon as possible.

The rest…I mean Lammy was in Blair’s government you can hardly claim he was a Corbynite, Rayner isn’t either.

Momentum exist but they lost control of the NEC and their co founder quit to join the greens and essentially they are all going to the greens….

Well as I said, we are about to find out, it wouldn't be the first time labour has supposedly cleared out the far left, would it.

Oh hang on! Rayner isn't? You mean the Hamas and Abbott supporter?

[Worthy4England]

Labour have no monopoly on people adrift of centre. Hang on Suella, JRM yadda, yadda

[boltonboris]

So if you want Israel to stop flattening Gaza, you're a HAMAS supporter? Could you not be in favour of innocent Palestinians NOT being obliterated and scores of people being killed every single hour of every single day?

I'm kind of on the fence on this campaign and just want people to stop killing eachother, but it's way too easy to say "you support Hamas" which is obviously bollocks for 99.99% of the public

[Worthy4England]

So if you want Israel to stop flattening Gaza, you're a HAMAS supporter? Could you not be in favour of innocent Palestinians NOT being obliterated and scores of people being killed every single hour of every single day?

I'm kind of on the fence on this campaign and just want people to stop killing eachother, but it's way too easy to say "you support Hamas" which is obviously bollocks for 99.99% of the public

That you,re a Hamas supporter is only ever postulated by right-wing racists on the defensive.

[TANGODANCER]

When will enough be enough? The golden rule by which we all live, is "Thou shalt not kill". Accepting that defending your lives is an exception, it has to have an end. Jaw bones of asses are a long long way from nuclear warheads. Enough.

[BWFC_Insane]

So if you want Israel to stop flattening Gaza, you're a HAMAS supporter? Could you not be in favour of innocent Palestinians NOT being obliterated and scores of people being killed every single hour of every single day?

I'm kind of on the fence on this campaign and just want people to stop killing eachother, but it's way too easy to say "you support Hamas" which is obviously bollocks for 99.99% of the public

This. Those with Palestinian flags in their social media bios though - they are to a man absolute cocks

[Hoboh]

So if you want Israel to stop flattening Gaza, you're a HAMAS supporter? Could you not be in favour of innocent Palestinians NOT being obliterated and scores of people being killed every single hour of every single day?

I'm kind of on the fence on this campaign and just want people to stop killing eachother, but it's way too easy to say "you support Hamas" which is obviously bollocks for 99.99% of the public

Sadly there are some innocent people getting killed as thre was innocent Israelis.
The problem is they voted Hamas who stood for the total destruction of Israel in originally, went out celebrating the atrocities and just remember whose sons Hamas actually are. Who helped build all the tunnels, hides the rockets and missiles aimed daily at Israel before they invaded, funny but everyone labels them all poor innocents. The Hamas health people never say how many of the dead are men, their men yet just quote women and children dying.
There does need to be a two state solution eventually but you cannot include Hamas in that.

[BWFC_Insane]

So if you want Israel to stop flattening Gaza, you're a HAMAS supporter? Could you not be in favour of innocent Palestinians NOT being obliterated and scores of people being killed every single hour of every single day?

I'm kind of on the fence on this campaign and just want people to stop killing eachother, but it's way too easy to say "you support Hamas" which is obviously bollocks for 99.99% of the public

Sadly there are some innocent people getting killed as thre was innocent Israelis.
The problem is they voted Hamas who stood for the total destruction of Israel in originally, went out celebrating the atrocities and just remember whose sons Hamas actually are. Who helped build all the tunnels, hides the rockets and missiles aimed daily at Israel before they invaded, funny but everyone labels them all poor innocents. The Hamas health people never say how many of the dead are men, their men yet just quote women and children dying.
There does need to be a two state solution eventually but you cannot include Hamas in that.

Mate there are kids being blown to bits and starved to death in the thousands. Don’t come with this nonsense. It’s not becoming of anyone regardless of their views.

The Israelis voted for Netanyahu who is committing genocide. I don’t think suggesting it should be a free for all in killing and murdering Israelis would be an appropriate response either.

[TANGODANCER]

Governments are supposedly chosen from the cream of intelligent brains. With so many opposing factions, who are the intelligent brains then? In truth, ruling bodies are actually the rank and file factions who can number most in a voting poll, brain-power regardless. Who do they vote for, and how many actually evaluate more than the loudest voices. What do the citizens of Cornwall and Kent and co in the south and east, care of those of Cumbria and North Yorkshire in the west and north? How then can we hope for unity and fairness? The council of Cardinals in the Vatican have less trouble choosing a Pope then we do have in choosing a Prime Minister. Why, because the candidates usually have the same end target aims. But then, religion can hardly count in a country where those in power can never be Catholic. A fair and balanced view no doubt, but only till the day religion intervenes in it all...and it will unless we sort ourselves out. ..