The Great Art Debate

[William the White]

Isn't just modern art though, people bum Picasso. When I went to the Louvre they had an exhibition of his scetches. 9/10 of them were utter pish.

This ranks with your dismissal of Shakespeare as a comic writer - utter pish of the oceanic quantity... Still... Better to utter spectacular idiocies - it shows ambition, at least.

Prufrock tends to be open to changing his mind in the face of evidence/a helpful nudge in the right direction.

I'm confident that's what will happen here, too.

I am always one for the helpful nudge, of course...

[William the White]

I sometimes think that some of the modern artists take the piss for a laugh..

"I'll glue that bit there.. Then I'll blu-tac that onto that.. Then I'll weld the shit outta that bit there.. Then I'm gonna tell people it signifies the brittleness of their world and how their souls are screaming out for love, just to see if anybody actually takes it in and agrees"

The difference, as it appears to me, Boris, is that if it were you or I that entered the same exhibit then we'd be a chancer on the make. Say you've been to art college however then you are one to which one must 'engage'.

Maybe I should start reciting poetry in a beret, then become hooked on heroin to help connect with my inner demons.. Then I can sell any old shite

What's your favourite poem?

[boltonboris]

Not decided yet. Haven't read enough (any)

Why do you ask?

[CrazyHorse]

Manchester after an apocalypse

[boltonboris]

See, that impresses me..

[thebish]

Not decided yet. Haven't read enough (any)

Why do you ask?

There was an old woman from Leeds
who swallowed a packet of seeds
in less than an hour....

[William the White]

Not decided yet. Haven't read enough (any)

Why do you ask?

I was only wondering what you thought would help sell any old shite... curiosity is all...

[bobo the clown]

Manchester after an apocalypse

I see South Pacific is still on though.

[CrazyHorse]

Manchester after an apocalypse

I see South Pacific is still on though.

Y'know what these luvvies are like. The show must go on.

[boltonboris]

Not decided yet. Haven't read enough (any)

Why do you ask?

I was only wondering what you thought would help sell any old shite... curiosity is all...

Fvck me.. Did you actually believe I was being serious when I said

Maybe I should start reciting poetry in a beret, then become hooked on heroin to help connect with my inner demons.. Then I can sell any old shite

Bore off

[Prufrock]

Isn't just modern art though, people bum Picasso. When I went to the Louvre they had an exhibition of his scetches. 9/10 of them were utter pish.

This ranks with your dismissal of Shakespeare as a comic writer - utter pish of the oceanic quantity... Still... Better to utter spectacular idiocies - it shows ambition, at least.

The sketches were rubbish! Incomprehensible scrawls, or forced 'eccentric' doodles. There were some in there I could see, but the thing was rammed by people who were there for the name. Could barely move through the place, whilst at the same time folk were queuing 15 deep to look at the Mona Lisa, and nobody noticed anything in between. Venus de Milo must be in the three most famous statues in the world and it was deserted, I did a literal double take when we walked past. Odd place.....

Anyway, as even I'm prepared to be convinced. Guernica is good, though I've only seen photos, but I get that, and some of the sketches I saw were good, but the rest...meh, if they hadn't been Pablo....

As for Shakespeare, Cardenio was good, but I don't know how much of that is/was original. Otherwise I've always been underwhelmed. Perhaps I keep seeing poor productions? Man could write tragedy though, he gets my approval on that .

[Prufrock]

Isn't just modern art though, people bum Picasso. When I went to the Louvre they had an exhibition of his scetches. 9/10 of them were utter pish.

Ha, some would say Picasso is modern art!

I'm not sure about bumming him, but from not getting Picasso at all a few years ago, he's become one of my favourites.

Can't beat a man who loved attractive women and good food and was a genuinely creative innovator all the way into his eighties.

Look up some of David Douglas Duncan's photos of him to get a look a Picasso the cheeky genius at work.

I think there is plenty to be said for Picasso the man .

Will check out those photos.

[William the White]

Not decided yet. Haven't read enough (any)

Why do you ask?

I was only wondering what you thought would help sell any old shite... curiosity is all...

Fvck me.. Did you actually believe I was being serious when I said

Maybe I should start reciting poetry in a beret, then become hooked on heroin to help connect with my inner demons.. Then I can sell any old shite

Bore off

Just helping you to develop your scenario, is all. Seemed so promising it would be a shame to let it go...

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Anyway, as even I'm prepared to be convinced. Guernica is good, though I've only seen photos, but I get that, and some of the sketches I saw were good, but the rest...meh, if they hadn't been Pablo....

Yep, seeing Guernica in Madrid was another part of winning me round.

The bit I have put in bold is absolutely key - the fact that those sketches you saw were by arguably the greatest artist of the last century is why they were interesting.

It's also why I would love to own this plate that he hurriedly painted for a dog!

http://www.utexas.edu/opa/blogs/cultura ... 1/26/lump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[bobo the clown]

Anyway, as even I'm prepared to be convinced. Guernica is good, though I've only seen photos, but I get that, and some of the sketches I saw were good, but the rest...meh, if they hadn't been Pablo....

Yep, seeing Guernica in Madrid was another part of winning me round.

The bit I have put in bold is absolutely key - the fact that those sketches you saw were by arguably the greatest artist of the last century is why they were interesting.

It's also why I would love to own this plate that he hurriedly painted for a dog!

http://www.utexas.edu/opa/blogs/cultura ... 1/26/lump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bllx it is. You'd have it sold for the £gazlilions it's not worth.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Anyway, as even I'm prepared to be convinced. Guernica is good, though I've only seen photos, but I get that, and some of the sketches I saw were good, but the rest...meh, if they hadn't been Pablo....

Yep, seeing Guernica in Madrid was another part of winning me round.

The bit I have put in bold is absolutely key - the fact that those sketches you saw were by arguably the greatest artist of the last century is why they were interesting.

It's also why I would love to own this plate that he hurriedly painted for a dog!

http://www.utexas.edu/opa/blogs/cultura ... 1/26/lump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bllx it is. You'd have it sold for the £gazlilions it's not worth.

Ok, but I would do so with a heavy heart!

[boltonboris]

Not decided yet. Haven't read enough (any)

Why do you ask?

I was only wondering what you thought would help sell any old shite... curiosity is all...

Fvck me.. Did you actually believe I was being serious when I said

Maybe I should start reciting poetry in a beret, then become hooked on heroin to help connect with my inner demons.. Then I can sell any old shite

Bore off

Just helping you to develop your scenario, is all. Seemed so promising it would be a shame to let it go...

You'll have to lend me your beret then...

[Prufrock]

Anyway, as even I'm prepared to be convinced. Guernica is good, though I've only seen photos, but I get that, and some of the sketches I saw were good, but the rest...meh, if they hadn't been Pablo....

Yep, seeing Guernica in Madrid was another part of winning me round.

The bit I have put in bold is absolutely key - the fact that those sketches you saw were by arguably the greatest artist of the last century is why they were interesting.

It's also why I would love to own this plate that he hurriedly painted for a dog!

http://www.utexas.edu/opa/blogs/cultura ... 1/26/lump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There were sketches, and quite a few less well known paintings. Was a while back now, can't exactly remember what. I remember thinking a lot of it was pish, and people were only there, and only nodding appreciatively, because it was Picasso. I didn't get it, they were still, mostly, rubbish . I do get that mentality though, going seeing something by somebody great just because, but French art critics, who one would assume to be so inclusive and populist normally (:D) went ape-shit, one rebuking the crowds for their populism saying something along the lines of 'they think they're visiting Chernobyl' .

[William the White]

While in London over Christmas will be catching the Gerhard Richter exhibition at the Tate Modern with daughter.

http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitio ... rdrichter/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mixture of abstract and realist and political work.

Looking forward to it.

[Verbal]

see if you can get to the private eye exhibition at the V+A if you can, WtW, while you are down there.