Brexit or Britin

[Gary the Enfield]

Anybody see BBC Breakfast this morning?

They were interviewing ex-pats in Spain and asking whether they would vote stay or leave.

'Leave, definitely' said one woman 'too many immigrants for my liking'

Alannis Morissette would have creamed.

[thebish]

No it doesn't. That's simply your misinterpretation. Where the fecking Dickens do I present what Hannan is saying as 'news'?

Oh no, you're not going down the discredit anything that might not tally with your opinion route are you?

to be fair to Worthy... (someone has to be!)

Worthy seems only to have said (rightly) that this is not news and is an opinion that Hannan has held for a long time and is fairly well known for (again - correct)

For you to suggest Worthy is discrediting Hannan by saying this is a bizarre understanding of the word "discredit"... I can't see anything in anything Worthy has posted here that amounts to discrediting Hannan... not even mildly...

[Bruce Rioja]

No it doesn't. That's simply your misinterpretation. Where the fecking Dickens do I present what Hannan is saying as 'news'?

Oh no, you're not going down the discredit anything that might not tally with your opinion route are you?

to be fair to Worthy... (someone has to be!)

Worthy seems only to have said (rightly) that this is not news and is an opinion that Hannan has held for a long time and is fairly well known for (again - correct)

For you to suggest Worthy is discrediting Hannan by saying this is a bizarre understanding of the word "discredit"... I can't see anything in anything Worthy has posted here that amounts to discrediting Hannan... not even mildly...

Nobody said it was news. I know exactly what Hannan's views are. FFS. Again,Where the fecking Dickens do I present what Hannan is saying as 'news'?

And where have I said he's trying to discredit Hannan directly? I said, and I'll put it again because this seems to be 'Hard to understand that that's in front of people week' "anything that might not tally with your opinion".

You're all interchangeable, you panic fannies.

[thebish]

you've confused me - which isn't hard!

who/what was Worthy discrediting exactly that didn't tally with his opinion?

[thebish]

For those interested and who have not yet found it, the BBC has done some work on the main claims from both sides called "Reality Check"

If you're tired of the hysterical - then this is boring as feck but (I think) fairly balanced and sane - if that's what you want!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-polit ... m-35603388

[Bruce Rioja]

you've confused me - which isn't hard!

who/what was Worthy discrediting exactly that didn't tally with his opinion?

The notion that there are views that differ from his.

More pertinently though, if you read my last line - I still haven't a clue which way to vote. That was the point of my post but if people prefer to dissect the minutiae then that's up to them. I seem to be getting no help on here as this entire thread seems to reflect that that's happening as a whole, in that nobody appears to be offering up anything corroborative, either way, just criticism of the those that don't share their entrenched view.

No worries, I'll leave you all to your squabbles and look for guidance elsewhere.

[Gary the Enfield]

It's relatively simple to me.

The leave campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we stay in.

The stay campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we leave.

And none of them really know.

[Hoboh]

Ah yes, the polls were wrong once.

We'll see!

Once?

A touch disingenuous methinks

[Hoboh]

It's relatively simple to me.

The leave campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we stay in.

The stay campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we leave.

And none of them really know.

Fair summary IMHO.

I favour taking a chance of being 'fecked over' from the outside because at least we have a chance to fight back, inside we are swamped!

[Gary the Enfield]

It's relatively simple to me.

The leave campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we stay in.

The stay campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we leave.

And none of them really know.

Fair summary IMHO.

I favour taking a chance of being 'fecked over' from the outside because at least we have a chance to fight back, inside we are swamped!

See, I'm leaning towards staying in for the same reason.

[Hoboh]

It's relatively simple to me.

The leave campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we stay in.

The stay campaigners say we'll be fecked over by the rest of Europe if we leave.

And none of them really know.

Fair summary IMHO.

I favour taking a chance of being 'fecked over' from the outside because at least we have a chance to fight back, inside we are swamped!

See, I'm leaning towards staying in for the same reason.

With the makeup states of the EU now, I wouldn't hold my breath for any reform, Dave tried tinkering on the edges and got nowhere.

[thebish]

you've confused me - which isn't hard!

who/what was Worthy discrediting exactly that didn't tally with his opinion?

The notion that there are views that differ from his.

nahhh - he didn't do anything of the sort! not even close!

anyway - I have offered you a BBC link to non-partisan information on the key debating points!

[TANGODANCER]

One of my biggest concerns is in being a part of my grandkids ( I don't say kids because they're all grown and capable of voting for themselves) futures by voting at all, in what is no clearer or nearer to offering a solution than backing black or red on a roulette wheel. Two open-topped buses with blokes with tannoy's having a "who can shout loudest" contest is our guidance council? . At very best it's a vote and hope situation on what could be a life-changing issue. Right now we're living in a place where all we hear about are government-guided cuts in public services by clueless councils who can't even cut the grass in parks anymore. Is it any wonder we don't know which way to vote? We have just as much chance of being right or wrong by flipping a coin. Oh for a government who could guide us and run the country for its own benefit.

In summary: heads, tails, or don't bother? What a lousy choice.

ps: Amongst the people I've spoken with on this, most are for "out" or just don't know. How could they?

[Bruce Rioja]

you've confused me - which isn't hard!

who/what was Worthy discrediting exactly that didn't tally with his opinion?

The notion that there are views that differ from his.

nahhh - he didn't do anything of the sort! not even close!

anyway - I have offered you a BBC link to non-partisan information on the key debating points!

Yes he did. By the very act of picking that part out of a post and actually choosing to misinterpret it. Like I say, you entrenched types are all interchangeable regardless as to which side of the 'debate' ( ) you're on.

[thebish]

you've confused me - which isn't hard!

who/what was Worthy discrediting exactly that didn't tally with his opinion?

The notion that there are views that differ from his.

nahhh - he didn't do anything of the sort! not even close!

anyway - I have offered you a BBC link to non-partisan information on the key debating points!

Yes he did. By the very act of picking that part out of a post and actually choosing to misinterpret it. Like I say, you entrenched types are all interchangeable regardless as to which side of the 'debate' ( ) you're on.

did you check out the BBC link? helpful?

[Worthy4England]

you've confused me - which isn't hard!

who/what was Worthy discrediting exactly that didn't tally with his opinion?

The notion that there are views that differ from his.

More pertinently though, if you read my last line - I still haven't a clue which way to vote. That was the point of my post but if people prefer to dissect the minutiae then that's up to them. I seem to be getting no help on here as this entire thread seems to reflect that that's happening as a whole, in that nobody appears to be offering up anything corroborative, either way, just criticism of the those that don't share their entrenched view.

No worries, I'll leave you all to your squabbles and look for guidance elsewhere.

I'd just like to say at this point, I'm confused, by everything, all the time, so just ignore me...

There isn't a right answer, so you can't expect one. You'd expect Hannan to spin a story that suits his narrative for Brexit, just as much as you'd expect Cameron, Osborne etc. to spin a story that suits their narrative for Remain.

I doubt anyone will say anything in the next 28 days that'll give you any more confidence in where you're placing your "X" than you have currently, given that the "debate" has been going on for about 70 years.

[Worthy4England]

you've confused me - which isn't hard!

who/what was Worthy discrediting exactly that didn't tally with his opinion?

The notion that there are views that differ from his.

nahhh - he didn't do anything of the sort! not even close!

anyway - I have offered you a BBC link to non-partisan information on the key debating points!

Yes he did. By the very act of picking that part out of a post and actually choosing to misinterpret it. Like I say, you entrenched types are all interchangeable regardless as to which side of the 'debate' ( ) you're on.

Be serious, panic fanny! I pointed out that Hannan has been Brexit and Eurosceptic for years. Look

He's been saying "out" for a lifetime. Noted Eurosceptic.

Where does that even begin to discuss anything Hannan said, let alone discredit it?

Jeez Louise

[Bruce Rioja]

He's been saying "out" for a lifetime. Noted Eurosceptic.

Where does that even begin to discuss anything Hannan said, let alone discredit it?

Jeez Louise

So you quote yourself as saying Hannan has been "saying out" for a lifetime, and then ask where does that even begin to discuss anything Hannan has said? Well, right there where you told us what Hannan's been saying for years!

[Worthy4England]

He's been saying "out" for a lifetime. Noted Eurosceptic.

Where does that even begin to discuss anything Hannan said, let alone discredit it?

Jeez Louise

So you quote yourself as saying Hannan has been "saying out" for a lifetime, and then ask where does that even begin to discuss anything Hannan has said? Well, right there where you told us what Hannan's been saying for years!

Ok...

Guilty as Charged M'lud. It begins, in a very formative manner, to discuss the fact that Hannan has been saying out for a lifetime.

[Bruce Rioja]

Anyway - I'll have a look at Bish's BBC thing when I get a mo, see if I can decipher a third way.