What are you watching tonight?

[TANGODANCER]

The Strange Case of the Law: Part One - Trial by Ordeal. What horrible and clueless people we descend from

Of that there's no doubt with some of those appertaining to Christianity less than squeaky.

[P.O.S.]

One Night In Turin is on ITV 4 now, decent watch and a good soundtrack too. Not a patch on the book though, a brilliant read!

[thebish]

The Strange Case of the Law: Part One - Trial by Ordeal. What horrible and clueless people we descend from

it's not been all that great even in recent times...

The last man to be sentenced to death in the UK has had his conviction quashed after a court heard that he confessed to the crime after being waterboarded and subjected to death threats. His successful appeal comes 39 years after his death sentence was commuted to life imprisonment.

Liam Holden served 17 years behind bars after being convicted of being the IRA sniper who shot dead Frank Bell, a teenage member of the Parachute Regiment, in west Belfast in 1972.

Holden's conviction was quashed after the court of appeal heard that he had signed a confession only after being taken to an army base near to the scene of the shooting and subjected to waterboarding and death threats.

[William the White]

The Strange Case of the Law: Part One - Trial by Ordeal. What horrible and clueless people we descend from

it's not been all that great even in recent times...

Recent times - particularly the murderous and repressive 20th century saw the reintroduction of torture as a routine 'interrogation' method in many countries. The aim is not, usually, to extract vital information - that is just a smoke screen - it is to act as an instrument of state terror... and to obtain false confessions like the one you identify, thebish...

The real terrorists wear uniforms and are paid by the state...

[CAPSLOCK]

The Strange Case of the Law: Part One - Trial by Ordeal. What horrible and clueless people we descend from

it's not been all that great even in recent times...

The last man to be sentenced to death in the UK has had his conviction quashed after a court heard that he confessed to the crime after being waterboarded and subjected to death threats. His successful appeal comes 39 years after his death sentence was commuted to life imprisonment.

Liam Holden served 17 years behind bars after being convicted of being the IRA sniper who shot dead Frank Bell, a teenage member of the Parachute Regiment, in west Belfast in 1972.

Holden's conviction was quashed after the court of appeal heard that he had signed a confession only after being taken to an army base near to the scene of the shooting and subjected to waterboarding and death threats.

Nothing there to say he didn't do it

Nothing at all

[Prufrock]

But, crucially, nothing, or not enough, reliable to say he did either.

[thebish]

Nothing there to say he didn't do it

Nothing at all

apart from a confession obtained through torture - there's nowt to say he did - is there??

[William the White]

Get your evidence through the use of torture and you lose all credibility.

They did. And so they have. Good.

I hope it is still possible to pursue the prosecution of those that did this, those that ordered it, and those that permitted it...

But, hey, I'm just the kind of idealist that hopes the word 'justice' has some meaning...

[Wandering Willy]

David Bowie and the Story of Ziggy Stardust.

BBC 4

Now.

[Bruce Rioja]

David Bowie and the Story of Ziggy Stardust.

BBC 4

Now.

Bollocks - only just noticed this. Missed a load now

Cheers, Willster!

[CAPSLOCK]

Its on a loop

I'm in for the long haul

[Bruce Rioja]

Its on a loop

I'm in for the long haul

Professional observation - telly watcher. I'm going to record it all.

[William the White]

I watched quite a lot of Luis Bunuel's Death in the Garden - Set in Latin America, Spanish director, French dialogue, subtitles in English...

It was dreadful - Bunuel must have been desperate to pay his mortgage to shoot this turkey...

I then watched Schama on Shakespeare (BBC2), which I really enjoyed, as he investigated the creation of the English Language (at that point moving from the mongrelism of all previous influences - Celtic, Latin, Germanic, Norman French - to the coalescence it is now) to 'English' for which he thinks Shakespeare, and the invention of his theatre, is absolutely central.

Not sure i totally bought into it - but I really enjoyed his analysis of Henry IV (both parts) in a production I'd seen at the Globe that was bright, absolutely on the button as it looks at Shakespeare's creation of the crowd, the populace, the whores and rascals, and therefore what had been avoided and ignored before. He even makes the claim that shakespeare is the first to invent the language of, and to depict, class struggle...

Don't think so myself... but I kind of like academics so wrapped up in their subject they make wild statements...

I was hoping to watch highlights of Germany v Greece - but both the Ob Guide and today's Guardian misled me that it would be on ITV at 10.35 - turned out to be some shite about bruce forsythe. has he died?

[2399]

Planning to have a Big Brother Marathon; with UFC on at 11:30pm (I hate it but am going to force myself to give it a go)

Hopefully stay up till 4am to watch Spain - France.

[Annoyed Grunt]

Watched the remake of Fright Night, last night.

Why do I never learn

[Bruce Rioja]

Really hope that this is on the mat when I get home - apparently it's on it's way from LF anyway. Tyrannosaur. Another recco from the good General (100% strike rate so far, Chief, keep 'em coming )

its another gem, very bleak again. but profound, and brilliantly acted. Olivia Coleman was touted for an Oscar nom! on these shores at least. might watch it again myself. Im a particular fan of Eddie Marsan, and hes a right orrible c*nt in this! starts of with a very tough scene involving a dog, this was enough for my mrs to leave the room calling me sick in the head! but stick with it... look forward to your thoughts.

Seriously, General - perhaps the best film that I've ever seen. Incredibly well scripted, shot and unbelievably well acted. Olivia Coleman plays every level of the emotional scale beyond belief. I've never been a fan of Eddie Marsan in that he's always played a cap-clinging sycophant in anything else that I've seen him in, but fecking hell, doesn't he turn that on its head in this?! And Peter Mullan was born to play the lead.
It horrified me in parts, stunned me in some, made me well-up in most. I commend anyone, absolutely anyone to watch this. British, or indeed anyone's filmaking just does not get better than this. Seriously!

[Harry Genshaw]

Wish I'd watched that Bruce. Instead I watched some post acopalyptic crap called 'The Road' - far fetched bobbins is the kindest thing I could think of to say.

[General Mannerheim]

Really hope that this is on the mat when I get home - apparently it's on it's way from LF anyway. Tyrannosaur. Another recco from the good General (100% strike rate so far, Chief, keep 'em coming )

its another gem, very bleak again. but profound, and brilliantly acted. Olivia Coleman was touted for an Oscar nom! on these shores at least. might watch it again myself. Im a particular fan of Eddie Marsan, and hes a right orrible c*nt in this! starts of with a very tough scene involving a dog, this was enough for my mrs to leave the room calling me sick in the head! but stick with it... look forward to your thoughts.

Seriously, General - perhaps the best film that I've ever seen. Incredibly well scripted, shot and unbelievably well acted. Olivia Coleman plays every level of the emotional scale beyond belief. I've never been a fan of Eddie Marsan in that he's always played a cap-clinging sycophant in anything else that I've seen him in, but fecking hell, doesn't he turn that on its head in this?! And Peter Mullan was born to play the lead.
It horrified me in parts, stunned me in some, made me well-up in most. I commend anyone, absolutely anyone to watch this. British, or indeed anyone's filmaking just does not get better than this. Seriously!

wowzers not bad for directorial debut either!

you should see Happy-Go-Lucky for Marsan's best work, apart from Tyrannosaur of course.

[Annoyed Grunt]

After the football, may watch Attack the Block.

[General Mannerheim]

After the football, may watch Attack the Block.

dont bother, its tragic. although its probably better than fecking England...