Today I'm angry about.....

[Montreal Wanderer]

This. The big, brave bunch of tw*ts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -girl.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The "decision to stop girls going to school" shows how back in the dark ages they really are. Says it all.

They being the Taliban since the attack has not found favour with Pakistan in general. The Taliban from the dark ages? I think we have known about them for years. In Afghanistan they tended to throw acid at girls going to school, not bullets, but the principle is the same. Of course this girl was critical of the Taliban which made her a special target.

[William the White]

This. The big, brave bunch of tw*ts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -girl.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The "decision to stop girls going to school" shows how back in the dark ages they really are. Says it all.

Abysmal.

[TANGODANCER]

This. The big, brave bunch of tw*ts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -girl.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The "decision to stop girls going to school" shows how back in the dark ages they really are. Says it all.

They being the Taliban since the attack has not found favour with Pakistan in general. The Taliban from the dark ages? I think we have known about them for years. In Afghanistan they tended to throw acid at girls going to school, not bullets, but the principle is the same. Of course this girl was critical of the Taliban which made her a special target.

Quite so Monty, but are they not all using religion and Sharia law as convenient backing for their views? It's those views that are from the dark ages, not how long the Taliban have existed. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[Montreal Wanderer]

This. The big, brave bunch of tw*ts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -girl.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The "decision to stop girls going to school" shows how back in the dark ages they really are. Says it all.

They being the Taliban since the attack has not found favour with Pakistan in general. The Taliban from the dark ages? I think we have known about them for years. In Afghanistan they tended to throw acid at girls going to school, not bullets, but the principle is the same. Of course this girl was critical of the Taliban which made her a special target.

Quite so Monty, but are they not all using religion and Sharia law as convenient backing for their views? It's those views that are from the dark ages, not how long the Taliban have existed. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Sorry if I did not make myself clear - I was agreeing with you re the dark ages. Perhaps I should have written: "The Taliban from the dark ages? Damn right!". It was just that I was saying we have known their views for years and this new outrage merely confirmed things - no new proof needed.

[Gary the Enfield]

Letter from work. Second part of bonus not being paid and pay frozen for another 12 months, despite my business units hitting targets and posting better profit % than anyone else.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Letter from work. Second part of bonus not being paid and pay frozen for another 12 months, despite my business units hitting targets and posting better profit % than anyone else.

The company I work for is far crueller than that. My lot told us last year on Christmas Eve that our pay would be frozen... we're expecting an exact repeat this year. Despite the fact we posted a 27% margin, 12% above our target.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Yeah i bet that 12% extra has gone to something or someone worthwhile...

This is why i long to be self-employed.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Yeah i bet that 12% extra has gone to something or someone worthwhile...

This is why i long to be self-employed.

Yep. Probably trousered by the big bosses with a little extra for the shareholders.

[bobo the clown]

HR have kept it.

Which is why I AM self employed !!

I'm assuming the bonus's aren't contractual ? Also that, if they are even quasi-contractual, there are terms & targets ?

Stil a bummer when you've done your bit & it's ignored.

[clapton is god]

Yeah i bet that 12% extra has gone to something or someone worthwhile...

This is why i long to be self-employed.

I've been self-employed for nine years working for three, now two, different investigation companies. I interview people involved in collisions where one side or the other is suspected of fraud of some kind and for the benefit of their insurers. I work for a fixed fee and the fee for all three companies has never changed at all during the whole time I've been with them. In fact the first company I took on, in 2003, was still offering the same derisory rate of pay as they were back then and objected when I asked them to review their fees. I ditched them last April. Another will go next April in all probability leaving me with just the best payer. Its no better being self employed as far as fees go (in this industry) but I get to decide when I work and when I have a day off.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Yeah i bet that 12% extra has gone to something or someone worthwhile...

This is why i long to be self-employed.

I've been self-employed for nine years working for three, now two, different investigation companies. I interview people involved in collisions where one side or the other is suspected of fraud of some kind and for the benefit of their insurers. I work for a fixed fee and the fee for all three companies has never changed at all during the whole time I've been with them. In fact the first company I took on, in 2003, was still offering the same derisory rate of pay as they were back then and objected when I asked them to review their fees. I ditched them last April. Another will go next April in all probability leaving me with just the best payer. Its no better being self employed as far as fees go (in this industry) but I get to decide when I work and when I have a day off.

True but its more a general sense of if i do all the hard work, i get all the benefits, as opposed to working your backside off to make someone else rich and being told you should just be grateful for having a job.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Yeah i bet that 12% extra has gone to something or someone worthwhile...

This is why i long to be self-employed.

I've been self-employed for nine years working for three, now two, different investigation companies. I interview people involved in collisions where one side or the other is suspected of fraud of some kind and for the benefit of their insurers. I work for a fixed fee and the fee for all three companies has never changed at all during the whole time I've been with them. In fact the first company I took on, in 2003, was still offering the same derisory rate of pay as they were back then and objected when I asked them to review their fees. I ditched them last April. Another will go next April in all probability leaving me with just the best payer. Its no better being self employed as far as fees go (in this industry) but I get to decide when I work and when I have a day off.

True but its more a general sense of if i do all the hard work, i get all the benefits, as opposed to working your backside off to make someone else rich and being told you should just be grateful for having a job.

^ This
^ That
^ & the other.
And it seems to be a general law that the bigger the firm, the more massive the profits, the more layers of management there are that contribute precisely zero to the grafting, but the higher up the non-grafting you get the bigger piece of the fxcking pie they eat. And I just love it that all major companies usually give an across the board percentage wage rise, not a sum but a percentage: nothing to do with the fact that the rich get richer while doing fxck all of course.

[Wandering Willy]

Welcome to capitalism.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Welcome to capitalism.

Oh. Thanks, my pleasure.

[Gary the Enfield]

HR have kept it.

Which is why I AM self employed !!

I'm assuming the bonus's aren't contractual ? Also that, if they are even quasi-contractual, there are terms & targets ?

Stil a bummer when you've done your bit & it's ignored.

The bonuses aren't contractual. We are set targets and given part of our bonus based on a) Business Unit performance and b) Company performance. Roughly a third was paid in April. Because the company hasn't preformed they have frozen pay and cancelled the bonus payout. This is the second time in three years.

[Prufrock]

When the targets were set was the bonus money set aside in a bonus 'pool'?

[Gary the Enfield]

When the targets were set was the bonus money set aside in a bonus 'pool'?

No idea. No specific amount was set out. First we knew was two days before it appeared on the wage slip, and then the second part was 'to be confirmed'. All very vague, really.

[Prufrock]

So there's only an understanding you might get a bonus?

I only ask because a load of bankers won on bonuses recently. They'd been gathered together and told there was a bonus pool of £x for the coming year. Then due to politics and a poor year the bank only awarded low, or no bonuses. Turns out because they'd said there was going to be a bonus pool of X, and they'd announced it, and kept the money separate, that it was an oral variation of their contract and so the bonuses were contractual.

It doesn't sound like that's the case with you though? If you reckon it would be helpful I could dig you out the details (I can only remember the gist), but going off what you have said so far it seems unlikely..?

[Gary the Enfield]

So there's only an understanding you might get a bonus?

I only ask because a load of bankers won on bonuses recently. They'd been gathered together and told there was a bonus pool of £x for the coming year. Then due to politics and a poor year the bank only awarded low, or no bonuses. Turns out because they'd said there was going to be a bonus pool of X, and they'd announced it, and kept the money separate, that it was an oral variation of their contract and so the bonuses were contractual.

It doesn't sound like that's the case with you though? If you reckon it would be helpful I could dig you out the details (I can only remember the gist), but going off what you have said so far it seems unlikely..?

Thanks Pru but I don't think there's any legs in it.

[Prufrock]

I'll just have to console myself with the knowledge that at least this thread has helped