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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
13
41%
Conservatives
12
38%
Liberal Democrats
2
6%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
9%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:38 pm

Verbal wrote:Purnell resigns from the cabinet, calls for Brown to go.

75 names back Brown to go apparently.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009 ... wn-cabinet

He'll do well to survive Friday. In fact, if he lasts past Monday I will be amazed.
It's certainly very interesting - Not sure the Labour Party understands "how to depose a Labour leader" let alone one who's a sitting PM. Either way I think it's locking the stable door rather after the horse has left and I'm struggling to think of a credible successor.
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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:01 pm

Worthy4England wrote: [I think it's locking the stable door rather after the horse has left and I'm struggling to think of a credible successor.
So are they, and also what to do next I'd imagine. That's the worrying thing about it all.
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Post by Verbal » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:48 pm

So, Our Great Leader (tm) is going to propose electoral reform tomorrow...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8092235.stm

thoughts?
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Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:53 pm

Verbal wrote:So, Our Great Leader (tm) is going to propose electoral reform tomorrow...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8092235.stm

thoughts?
Guy Fawkes will be delighted. :|
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Post by Little Green Man » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:03 pm

Verbal wrote:So, Our Great Leader (tm) is going to propose electoral reform tomorrow...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8092235.stm

thoughts?
My first is why the bloody hell would we want a wholly elected House of Lords? All we'll get is an enfeebled facsimile of the other shower. It's supposed to be a body that scrutineers legislation and proposes amendments (something that MPs seem to have absolved themselves from these days). We won't get that with a bunch of MP wannabees. I'd rather have a House of Experts - which is more akin to what we've got now. Trouble is Brown will dress up is proposals as 'power to the people'. It won't be.

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Post by superjohnmcginlay » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:21 am

Verbal wrote:So, Our Great Leader (tm) is going to propose electoral reform tomorrow...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8092235.stm

thoughts?
They should be worrying about more important things.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8091733.stm
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Post by Prufrock » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:59 am

Little Green Man wrote:
Verbal wrote:So, Our Great Leader (tm) is going to propose electoral reform tomorrow...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8092235.stm

thoughts?
My first is why the bloody hell would we want a wholly elected House of Lords? All we'll get is an enfeebled facsimile of the other shower. It's supposed to be a body that scrutineers legislation and proposes amendments (something that MPs seem to have absolved themselves from these days). We won't get that with a bunch of MP wannabees. I'd rather have a House of Experts - which is more akin to what we've got now. Trouble is Brown will dress up is proposals as 'power to the people'. It won't be.

There, I've said it!
I'm inclined to agree with you here, if the house of lords is elected, all they'll be interested is keeping in power, not doing what's needed. I do think all peerages should be lifetime ones though, and not inherited.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:07 am

Proportional representation. The only fair way....
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Post by Hoboh » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:35 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:40 pm

hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Aye but that would be offset by members from the SWP, greens etc!
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Post by Verbal » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:47 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Aye but that would be offset by members from the SWP, greens etc!
I'm sure whether Shawn Wright Phillips would stand up to a career in Parliament...
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Post by Hoboh » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:47 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Aye but that would be offset by members from the SWP, greens etc!
And we'd end up with a bigger bunch of crackpots ruleing than we have already got!!!

A good dictatorship with me at the helm is the best option, i'm telling you, so listen :wink:
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Post by superjohnmcginlay » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:49 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Aye but that would be offset by members from the SWP, greens etc!
So basically its a recipe for complete disaster then.
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:50 pm

hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Aye but that would be offset by members from the SWP, greens etc!
And we'd end up with a bigger bunch of crackpots ruleing than we have already got!!!

A good dictatorship with me at the helm is the best option, i'm telling you, so listen :wink:
But we'd have some idealistic crackpots mixed in with the unscrupulous. So it might just work.

But all that is besides the point, PR is the only way forwards for a truly fair democratic process.
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Post by Little Green Man » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:50 pm

hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Depends at what level you set the qualifying threshold. You could set it to something barmy like in Israel, ie 1.5% in which case you have a plethora of crackpot minor parties exerting undue influence over the major parties. Or you could set it to around 8-10%.

Of course there's nothing to stop the BNP gaining seats through the first-past-the-post system - it's just that the threshold is higher still.

Just saying like!
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Post by Hoboh » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:58 pm

The only way would be to get shut of the lot of them and let the wankers, sorry bankers, buisness leaders, and the Bransons, Sorroses etc along with the Harriet Haperpersons of this world continue to run the country but save us all money by removing the election Facade?
Then one day we could all revolt and start all over again.
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Post by superjohnmcginlay » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:14 pm

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... 909302101/

I know I do.
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Post by fatshaft » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:40 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Aye but that would be offset by members from the SWP, greens etc!
god help us
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Post by Hoboh » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:31 pm

fatshaft wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:Proportional representation. The only fair way....
If you are prepared for BNP members that is.............................

Just saying like!
Aye but that would be offset by members from the SWP, greens etc!
god help us
Yep the SNP might sneek a few proxies down South too!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:17 pm

So... how are we enjoying the Conservative Party Conference?

Thought George Osborne actually gave quite a risky speech today (i.e. quite a bit of content!), perhaps necessary though for the sake of credibility.

Ken Clarke's was a good speech, perhaps the best of the conference season so far?

Star of the show has to be Boris... his speech was typically idiosyncratic yesterday, and he's done a good job of dealing with the media attempt to invent a rift between him and Cameron. Here is his interview with Paxman that has earned him some acclaim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgThJK8xfKw
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