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Serious thread from me, for once...
Discussion on the train down to Barnsleh:
"Is the word Paki racist?"
My arguement is no it isn't. No different to someone calling me a Brit, IMO.
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"Is the word Paki racist?"
My arguement is no it isn't. No different to someone calling me a Brit, IMO.
Got an earbashing from some woman like.
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Why not a Britain then, or British? Think you shot yourself in the foot.daxter15 wrote:It is only used in a derogatory and offensive manner.
Someone from Pakistan should be known as a Pakistani.
As someone from Britain should be known as a Brit.Or someone from Australia an Australian.
So I'd say it pretty much is racist.
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Et tu, Brute? I think Britain is a place, while a Briton is a person. Personally I find the term "Paki" somewhat derogatory.TANGODANCER wrote:Why not a Britain then, or British? Think you shot yourself in the foot.daxter15 wrote:It is only used in a derogatory and offensive manner.
Someone from Pakistan should be known as a Pakistani.
As someone from Britain should be known as a Brit.Or someone from Australia an Australian.
So I'd say it pretty much is racist.
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If you think about it - and it as been stated above why should Aussie, Brit, Swede, Swiss, etc be acceptable and Pakki and Jap not? After all they are all just shortened names for people who come from (or are assumed to come from) those countries.
Over the years words can change their meaning from one thing to another. The word Pakki most probably started out innocently enough - but is now generally accepted as racist.
Similar to the word 'gay' which when I was a youngster simply meant to be 'happy and carefree' but means something much different now.
Over the years words can change their meaning from one thing to another. The word Pakki most probably started out innocently enough - but is now generally accepted as racist.
Similar to the word 'gay' which when I was a youngster simply meant to be 'happy and carefree' but means something much different now.
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I think it just started out, as many words do, as a "lazy" chopped version of Pakistani. It has grown to be offensive because of there is still a lot of underlying racism, not on the surface, but still there. "Asian" is the general term used as many people still confuse Pakistanis with Indians. A lot of so-called "Asians" these days are in fact born and bred English.
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When I was at uni there was a guy in our flat who was a pakistani, he never minded being called a paki because that's what he was. Him and his mates used the word all the time and used the word to take the piss half the time, like "you're only saying that because i'm a paki".
For me it comes down to how it's used, as with any word. Somebody could say to you, "You stupid fkn lazy Brit" and you'd take offence because of the way it was delivered.
For me it comes down to how it's used, as with any word. Somebody could say to you, "You stupid fkn lazy Brit" and you'd take offence because of the way it was delivered.
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For anyone who hasn't seen it, the film "East is East" is on film 4 tonight. (Sky 315, Virgin 444, Freeview 29) Deals with this very issue amongst other things. About a typical Asian family growing up in England. Gives a real insight into the young views as opposed to traditional Asian ones.
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Quite a good film. I went to the cinema to see it with my Indian friend, which for some reason meant we had people staring at us.TANGODANCER wrote:For anyone who hasn't seen it, the film "East is East" is on film 4 tonight. (Sky 315, Virgin 444, Freeview 29) Deals with this very issue amongst other things. About a typical Asian family growing up in England. Gives a real insight into the young views as opposed to traditional Asian ones.
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Well, if it was a male friend you just had to be homosexual, (won't use gay as I refuse to disassociate that beautiful old word from its descriptive usage). If it was a girl, that's the old under-the-surface racism showing it self. We still have a long way to go yet.Bruce Rioja wrote:Quite a good film. I went to the cinema to see it with my Indian friend, which for some reason meant we had people staring at us.TANGODANCER wrote:For anyone who hasn't seen it, the film "East is East" is on film 4 tonight. (Sky 315, Virgin 444, Freeview 29) Deals with this very issue amongst other things. About a typical Asian family growing up in England. Gives a real insight into the young views as opposed to traditional Asian ones.
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