The Politics Thread

[malcd1]

Angles Eagles will announce her leadership bid on Monday. Gawd help us. As an aside, if you tell a journo your going to announce your leadership bid, haven't you, in fact, announced it?

Probably giving him one last chance to think about it over the weekend and resign. Not happening.

[bobo the clown]

The "heavyweight" candidate to stand against him is Angela bloody Eagles. Good grief.

[Nicko58]

The "heavyweight" candidate to stand against him is Angela bloody Eagles. Good grief.

She's probably just the stalking horse. Or rather I hope she is.

[Bruce Rioja]

Angles Eagles will announce her leadership bid on Monday. Gawd help us. As an aside, if you tell a journo your going to announce your leadership bid, haven't you, in fact, announced it?

Probably giving him one last chance to think about it over the weekend and resign. Not happening.

Just seen him interviewed on Andrew Marr. It is most definitely/defiantly not happening.

[bobo the clown]

Angles Eagles will announce her leadership bid on Monday. Gawd help us. As an aside, if you tell a journo your going to announce your leadership bid, haven't you, in fact, announced it?

Probably giving him one last chance to think about it over the weekend and resign. Not happening.

Just seen him interviewed on Andrew Marr. It is most definitely/defiantly not happening.

Momentum & Unite have signed up 100,000 more £10 members and last year's lots membership is still live.

He'll say "OK, let's establish this once & for all" and go back to the membership. The current MP'S won't represent his aims and deselection will begin. Many, meanwhile, will join the Liberals (in effect taking over the Liberals) or create their own named party but without access to the party machine, money or structures.

If the Tories "succumb" to the suggestions that a new leader as PM warrants a General Election (which it doesn't) & they go for one while all this is happening it'll be a massacre.

In the industrial areas UKIP will find a new reason for being.

I fear the Labour Party of my father & grandfather is in its death throws.

[BWFC_Insane]

Eagles, Corbyn, Leadsom and May. Wow. Just wow. Didn't like Cameron as people know but he was a heavyweight compared to this lot. As was Brown.

[bobo the clown]

^^ I forgot to add. During all this some Labour people are suggesting that if he can't get the 45 or so nominations required they'll elect a new leader and he won't even be on the ballot paper.

Really ?? Do they want Armageddon on the streets ?

[clapton is god]

Angles Eagles will announce her leadership bid on Monday. Gawd help us. As an aside, if you tell a journo your going to announce your leadership bid, haven't you, in fact, announced it?

Probably giving him one last chance to think about it over the weekend and resign. Not happening.

Just seen him interviewed on Andrew Marr. It is most definitely/defiantly not happening.

Momentum & Unite have signed up 100,000 more £10 members and last year's lots membership is still live.

He'll say "OK, let's establish this once & for all" and go back to the membership. The current MP'S won't represent his aims and deselection will begin. Many, meanwhile, will join the Liberals (in effect taking over the Liberals) or create their own named party but without access to the party machine, money or structures.

If the Tories "succumb" to the suggestions that a new leader as PM warrants a General Election (which it doesn't) & they go for one while all this is happening it'll be a massacre.

In the industrial areas UKIP will find a new reason for being.

I fear the Labour Party of my father & grandfather is in its death throws.

I was a £3 member and on Corbyn winning I converted to full membership. For the first time in my life I am a member of a political party and I count myself a true Corbynista. I went to the Momentum meeting in Manchester a couple of weeks ago where 3000 people got themselves into town almost at a moments notice. I have been to a few CLP meetings in the ward and usual attendance is around 24. On Friday there was an emergency motion in support of Corbyn calling on the party to support him. The hall was full with many standing. There were another 75 people outside who couldn't gain entry, and we learned that new members had signed up as late as 11.30 that same morning just to attend this meeting. The motion was passed but by just two votes! We then found out that our MP, Kate Green, one of the 172, had been phoning her known supporters and asking them to attend, in my view to skew the vote. It almost worked too!

It is the labour party that has moved its stance to the right over the last 20 years. Corbyn has remained faithful to the socialist labour party values of your father and grandfather. At one time he might even have been considered moderate and it is only because the party has moved so far right that he is now considered extreme.

[bobo the clown]

My father spent years stopping pseudo Communists taking over the local party. Believe me, if you go past Ridgmont and hear a high-pitched whine it'll be him spinning in his grave.

There's a place for a proper Socialist party in British politics. But hijacking the existing Labour Party (and you'll say that was already done & it's just being won back I guess) doesn't seem the correct way.

& Kate Green tried playing Momentum (Militant Tendency) at their own game. What an outrage. BTW members who signed-up that very day, could they have been vetted even slightly ?

Don't confuse the number of activists the left can muster with the votes that will deliver.

In fact do. Let Labour tear itself apart. Who gives a fck ?

[Lord Kangana]

The FiL (kind of, I'm not married, but you get the picture) has re-signed up to membership of the party for the first time since 1980 on the back of this. He 'hasn't really been interested in politics much' in that time, but has had enough of the Labour shift to the centre-right. And he supports Corbyn using pretty much the same reasoning that Bruce has given on here. He feels it isn't right that the MP's should dictate to the membership.

If Labour does disintegrate, I think you'll find the vacuum being filled by the now-pointless UKIP, as Bobo says, but given that elections are all about winning votes, and a party having some kind of purpose, you'll see a horrible remanifestation of them, exploiting fears-for-votes on immigration, race, religion etc etc etc. Could get very messy.

Unfortunately, the left of centre voting will probably again be split into special interest groups with no real Parliamentary mandate, whilst probably gaining more actual votes by combined numbers. Its a shame really, but the country seems hell-bent on on descending down a right-wing regressive, isolationist cul-de-sac at the moment.

[bobo the clown]

MP Owen Smith who resigned as shadow welfare secretary, tweeted on Sunday to say: "On July27 I asked Jeremy Corbyn 3 times if he was prepared to see our party split & worse, wanted it to. He offered no answer

In the same meeting, in response to the same question John McDonnell shrugged his shoulders and said 'if that's what it takes.' "

Corbyn flatly denies this. One of them is lying as it doesn't seem a point where confusion is possible.

[BWFC_Insane]

MP Owen Smith who resigned as shadow welfare secretary, tweeted on Sunday to say: "On July27 I asked Jeremy Corbyn 3 times if he was prepared to see our party split & worse, wanted it to. He offered no answer

In the same meeting, in response to the same question John McDonnell shrugged his shoulders and said 'if that's what it takes.' "

Corbyn flatly denies this. One of them is lying as it doesn't seem a point where confusion is possible.

Unless Owen has some sort of special powers, I'd suggest perhaps it is him?

[bobo the clown]

MP Owen Smith who resigned as shadow welfare secretary, tweeted on Sunday to say: "On July27 I asked Jeremy Corbyn 3 times if he was prepared to see our party split & worse, wanted it to. He offered no answer

In the same meeting, in response to the same question John McDonnell shrugged his shoulders and said 'if that's what it takes.' "

Corbyn flatly denies this. One of them is lying as it doesn't seem a point where confusion is possible.

Unless Owen has some sort of special powers, I'd suggest perhaps it is him?

Just checked and that's what it says. I'm assuming he meant the 7th. Either way don't let a typo come between the facts.

[Hoboh]

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Not too sure about this, sounds reasonable in theory but PR for the regions would be a must to stop the Labour cronies running, say, the North West like the local Fat controller and his Politburo.

[bobo the clown]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... arty-group

Not too sure about this, sounds reasonable in theory but PR for the regions would be a must to stop the Labour cronies running, say, the North West like the local Fat controller and his Politburo.

Why the fckty fck would the majority Govt. agree to that.

Guardian bollox

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... arty-group

Not too sure about this, sounds reasonable in theory but PR for the regions would be a must to stop the Labour cronies running, say, the North West like the local Fat controller and his Politburo.

Why the fckty fck would the majority Govt. agree to that.

Guardian bollox

The way politics is going Bobes, we may end up with a snowflake party, hard core right wing party, tree hugger party, a centralist party and the remnants of the commie/Trotsky party all looking for some shout. (I don't include the SNP bunch of nobodies)

[Lord Kangana]

More regional representation is a good idea. It's worked in France to halt the inexorable financial hegemony of Paris. Its not a particularly left wing idea either, as Hesseltine was trying to float the idea for years. Having said that, Prescot tried it and it fell on deaf ears.

[Montreal Wanderer]

More regional representation is a good idea. It's worked in France to halt the inexorable financial hegemony of Paris. Its not a particularly left wing idea either, as Hesseltine was trying to float the idea for years. Having said that, Prescot tried it and it fell on deaf ears.

I guess it works in federal countries like Australia, Canada and the US. However, a number of Americans insist they must have the right to bear arms to protect their state from Washington (in addition to lame arguments about self-defence).

[Lord Kangana]

Yeah, the French manage to scrape by without seeming to need that. Admittedly, it's still a centrist state so perhaps the need isn't quite as strong.

[BWFC_Insane]

Leadsom to quit the race according to the BBC. So does that mean we get May by default? Our next PM won't even be decided by a vote of Tory members?