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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
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40%
Conservatives
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37%
Liberal Democrats
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7%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bijou Bob » Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:08 pm

Calm down. The Labour Party have already asked Shami Chakrabarti to conduct a full and independent review into his behaviour. Lady Shami of Kensington has found no evidence of wrongdoing.

On a serious note, the Mirror article is just a stalking horse for far more serious allegations it seems
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:29 pm

Bijou Bob wrote:Calm down. The Labour Party have already asked Shami Chakrabarti to conduct a full and independent review into his behaviour. Lady Shami of Kensington has found no evidence of wrongdoing.

On a serious note, the Mirror article is just a stalking horse for far more serious allegations it seems
There have been very serious allegations since 2000. On two occasions, required to answer to a Parliamentary Committee he filibustered his was through, even refusing to attend twice. His reward ? ... made Chairman of a Parliamentary Committee by Blair.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:48 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
Bijou Bob wrote:Calm down. The Labour Party have already asked Shami Chakrabarti to conduct a full and independent review into his behaviour. Lady Shami of Kensington has found no evidence of wrongdoing.

On a serious note, the Mirror article is just a stalking horse for far more serious allegations it seems
There have been very serious allegations since 2000. On two occasions, required to answer to a Parliamentary Committee he filibustered his was through, even refusing to attend twice. His reward ? ... made Chairman of a Parliamentary Committee by Blair.

he's always been one to make the flesh creep..
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:11 pm

ahhh - I see... this is what a credible, electable alternative to Corbyn looks like?? Is this REALLY the best the labour MPs could offer as a challenger?? REALLY???

Owen Smith believes he has what it takes to beat Jeremy Corbyn because he “pulled” his wife at a school where there were hundreds of teenage boys and just three girls.
The 46-year-old Labour leadership contender grew up in Barry in south Wales, where he met Liz, who is now a primary school teacher, in 1986.
“1,200 boys, three girls and I pulled Liz. So I must have something going on. That must be leadership,”
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Lord Kangana » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:49 pm

Fair play for pulling Jezzers wife though, every teenager loves a bit of Milf, no?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Nicko58 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:36 am

thebish wrote:ahhh - I see... this is what a credible, electable alternative to Corbyn looks like?? Is this REALLY the best the labour MPs could offer as a challenger?? REALLY???

Owen Smith believes he has what it takes to beat Jeremy Corbyn because he “pulled” his wife at a school where there were hundreds of teenage boys and just three girls.
The 46-year-old Labour leadership contender grew up in Barry in south Wales, where he met Liz, who is now a primary school teacher, in 1986.
“1,200 boys, three girls and I pulled Liz. So I must have something going on. That must be leadership,”
My guess is that the better challengers realise they can't beat Corbyn in a leadership election right now, but are biding their time in the belief that they have a stronger chance of beating him if he loses the next general election. It might well be a strategy that the Parliamentary Labour Party as a whole is better off adopting.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:07 am

^^ by the time that happens Corbyn's New Old Labour will have purged all of the "better candidates" and virtually every local party will be run by Momentum people.

I'd say "you heard it hear first", but it's been clear for a year.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:52 am

Nicko58 wrote:
thebish wrote:ahhh - I see... this is what a credible, electable alternative to Corbyn looks like?? Is this REALLY the best the labour MPs could offer as a challenger?? REALLY???

Owen Smith believes he has what it takes to beat Jeremy Corbyn because he “pulled” his wife at a school where there were hundreds of teenage boys and just three girls.
The 46-year-old Labour leadership contender grew up in Barry in south Wales, where he met Liz, who is now a primary school teacher, in 1986.
“1,200 boys, three girls and I pulled Liz. So I must have something going on. That must be leadership,”
My guess is that the better challengers realise they can't beat Corbyn in a leadership election right now, but are biding their time in the belief that they have a stronger chance of beating him if he loses the next general election. It might well be a strategy that the Parliamentary Labour Party as a whole is better off adopting.

you may well be right - in which case this whole rebellion and "coup" is a massively damaging self-destructive waste of everyone's time... the "reason" for challenging Corbyn (we are constantly told) now is so that we can have an electable labour party in time for the next election... putting up a lame challenger now will only make Corbyn stronger rather than weaker. if they are secretly resigned to waiting until after the next election - then they'd have been better not challenging Corbyn at all - keeping their powder dry, as it were.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Prufrock » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:11 am

Every day he remains in charge is a neglect of the people who need a Labour govt.

Owen Smith has made several vulgar comments (heaven forbid). This is the guy he is up against. REALLY?? REALLY??

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:46 am

Cheer up. At least we're not faced with a choice between Trump and Clinton!

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Nicko58 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:02 am

thebish wrote:
Nicko58 wrote:
thebish wrote:ahhh - I see... this is what a credible, electable alternative to Corbyn looks like?? Is this REALLY the best the labour MPs could offer as a challenger?? REALLY???

Owen Smith believes he has what it takes to beat Jeremy Corbyn because he “pulled” his wife at a school where there were hundreds of teenage boys and just three girls.
The 46-year-old Labour leadership contender grew up in Barry in south Wales, where he met Liz, who is now a primary school teacher, in 1986.
“1,200 boys, three girls and I pulled Liz. So I must have something going on. That must be leadership,”
My guess is that the better challengers realise they can't beat Corbyn in a leadership election right now, but are biding their time in the belief that they have a stronger chance of beating him if he loses the next general election. It might well be a strategy that the Parliamentary Labour Party as a whole is better off adopting.

you may well be right - in which case this whole rebellion and "coup" is a massively damaging self-destructive waste of everyone's time... the "reason" for challenging Corbyn (we are constantly told) now is so that we can have an electable labour party in time for the next election... putting up a lame challenger now will only make Corbyn stronger rather than weaker. if they are secretly resigned to waiting until after the next election - then they'd have been better not challenging Corbyn at all - keeping their powder dry, as it were.
The rebellion was initially started because it was thought that it would result in Corbyn’s resignation, wasn’t it? Sadly, it didn’t and once they’d gone so spectacularly down that route and it failed it’s pretty difficult to then not support a leadership challenge against him. However, there’s a difference between backing a leadership challenge and launching one yourself. In that sense, Umunna, Jarvis, Starmer, Nandy and the rest have kept their powder dry. If they aren’t willing to wait until after the next general election, and I concede that they probably aren’t, then presumably they are at least waiting to see Smith’s share of the vote before considering their own leadership bid further down the line.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:34 am

^^ Shirley even this shambles can't challenge him year after year.

How on Earth anyone, including Smith himself, thinks he was a viable challenger is beyond me. (add Eagles to that as well btw). Plus what he's said means there's no way back for him in Corbynworld. He's waaaay too left to jump onto some new version of the SDP .... he's toast after the 24th. ... & not very nice toast either.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:10 pm

In the same way that people ignored Farage, his own party is ignoring the effect he has had on their members. There may be 600,000 crackpots out there, but it's still more crackpots than are prepared to engage with all the other parties put together.

Do I believe that they're all some form of Militant-for-the-new-millennium? I think you'd have to be a bit crackers to correlate the two. There's undoubtedly a group of utopianists at the heart, but then a group of utopianists who weren't dealt with effectively by their own party just carried 17 million people with them. I know a handful of people who have re-engaged with the party because of Corbyn's presence (there are a few on here). It's beyond doubt that he's re-energised political discussion within his own party. That's not a bad thing.

He may not be, indeed probably isn't the answer, but he's a symptom of our fractured and fractious political landscape. And he's got us all talking. And (with thanks to AT), he's not Donald Trump.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:25 pm

Nicko58 wrote: The rebellion was initially started because it was thought that it would result in Corbyn’s resignation, wasn’t it? Sadly, it didn’t and once they’d gone so spectacularly down that route and it failed it’s pretty difficult to then not support a leadership challenge against him. However, there’s a difference between backing a leadership challenge and launching one yourself. In that sense, Umunna, Jarvis, Starmer, Nandy and the rest have kept their powder dry. If they aren’t willing to wait until after the next general election, and I concede that they probably aren’t, then presumably they are at least waiting to see Smith’s share of the vote before considering their own leadership bid further down the line.

aye - there's a long time before the next election - 4 years! Corbyn will fight Smith off easily - but I doubt it'll be the last challenge to his leadership there is in the next 4 years...

to replace the real Corbyn with a fake-Corbyn (but without any of the charisma) just seems daft to me...

4 years is a long time... in the mean time Corbyn will have made it acceptable for the labour party to be socialist again - which will make it easier for his replacement to be an actual alternative to the current govt.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:05 pm

Prufrock wrote:Every day he remains in charge is a neglect of the people who need a Labour govt.

Owen Smith has made several vulgar comments (heaven forbid). This is the guy he is up against. REALLY?? REALLY??

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Do I win at find the picture of politicians with shitc*nts?*

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:58 pm

thebish wrote:
Nicko58 wrote: The rebellion was initially started because it was thought that it would result in Corbyn’s resignation, wasn’t it? Sadly, it didn’t and once they’d gone so spectacularly down that route and it failed it’s pretty difficult to then not support a leadership challenge against him. However, there’s a difference between backing a leadership challenge and launching one yourself. In that sense, Umunna, Jarvis, Starmer, Nandy and the rest have kept their powder dry. If they aren’t willing to wait until after the next general election, and I concede that they probably aren’t, then presumably they are at least waiting to see Smith’s share of the vote before considering their own leadership bid further down the line.

aye - there's a long time before the next election - 4 years! Corbyn will fight Smith off easily - but I doubt it'll be the last challenge to his leadership there is in the next 4 years...

to replace the real Corbyn with a fake-Corbyn (but without any of the charisma) just seems daft to me...

4 years is a long time... in the mean time Corbyn will have made it acceptable for the labour party to be socialist again - which will make it easier for his replacement to be an actual alternative to the current govt.
That wins my award for funniest statement of the decade. It made me actually laugh out loud.

Corbyn has to be the least charismatic man in the history of non charismatic men. He's even less charismatic than Major who at least was banging Edwina on the side.

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Post by thebish » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:16 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
thebish wrote:
Nicko58 wrote: The rebellion was initially started because it was thought that it would result in Corbyn’s resignation, wasn’t it? Sadly, it didn’t and once they’d gone so spectacularly down that route and it failed it’s pretty difficult to then not support a leadership challenge against him. However, there’s a difference between backing a leadership challenge and launching one yourself. In that sense, Umunna, Jarvis, Starmer, Nandy and the rest have kept their powder dry. If they aren’t willing to wait until after the next general election, and I concede that they probably aren’t, then presumably they are at least waiting to see Smith’s share of the vote before considering their own leadership bid further down the line.

aye - there's a long time before the next election - 4 years! Corbyn will fight Smith off easily - but I doubt it'll be the last challenge to his leadership there is in the next 4 years...

to replace the real Corbyn with a fake-Corbyn (but without any of the charisma) just seems daft to me...

4 years is a long time... in the mean time Corbyn will have made it acceptable for the labour party to be socialist again - which will make it easier for his replacement to be an actual alternative to the current govt.
That wins my award for funniest statement of the decade. It made me actually laugh out loud.

Corbyn has to be the least charismatic man in the history of non charismatic men. He's even less charismatic than Major who at least was banging Edwina on the side.

not sure how else you explain the crowds of people who turn up routinely in all sorts of places for his public meetings...
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:44 pm

thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
thebish wrote:
Nicko58 wrote: The rebellion was initially started because it was thought that it would result in Corbyn’s resignation, wasn’t it? Sadly, it didn’t and once they’d gone so spectacularly down that route and it failed it’s pretty difficult to then not support a leadership challenge against him. However, there’s a difference between backing a leadership challenge and launching one yourself. In that sense, Umunna, Jarvis, Starmer, Nandy and the rest have kept their powder dry. If they aren’t willing to wait until after the next general election, and I concede that they probably aren’t, then presumably they are at least waiting to see Smith’s share of the vote before considering their own leadership bid further down the line.

aye - there's a long time before the next election - 4 years! Corbyn will fight Smith off easily - but I doubt it'll be the last challenge to his leadership there is in the next 4 years...

to replace the real Corbyn with a fake-Corbyn (but without any of the charisma) just seems daft to me...

4 years is a long time... in the mean time Corbyn will have made it acceptable for the labour party to be socialist again - which will make it easier for his replacement to be an actual alternative to the current govt.
That wins my award for funniest statement of the decade. It made me actually laugh out loud.

Corbyn has to be the least charismatic man in the history of non charismatic men. He's even less charismatic than Major who at least was banging Edwina on the side.

not sure how else you explain the crowds of people who turn up routinely in all sorts of places for his public meetings...
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