The Politics Thread

[malcd1]

Wasn't a larger percentage of leave voters prepared to fcuk the economy over just so they could feel like they were in control of telling Johnny Foreigner to go home?

More than 60% IIRC. Then when it came to the economic downturn impacting them only 25% were prepared to take the hit!

Which sums it up. Selfish, poorly informed daily mail readers who offer little to society voting for a return to the 1950's that isn't possible.

Look what a mess we are in now. Brexit is a disaster and nothing is being sorted. They'll not take responsibility though. Always someone else to blame. We know who is at fault though. And will never, ever, ever let them forget it.

What mess are we in? I see a lot of people carrying on as normal (at the moment) as if nothing has changed. What do you mean?

Brexit negotiations are continuing. What do you expect, that everything was to be sorted by the second meeting? How would you describe it a disaster?

I'm no huge Brexit supporter but it is far too early to be writing everything off now. According to the experts, we would be in complete meltdown 12 months after the leave vote. We are probably in for a rocky ride but hyperbole from both sides is not helping anyone.

[Bruce Rioja]

I'd have no problem with Brexit if they actually came up with a coherent and viable plan. A year later and we're nowhere closer to anything approaching a plan.

Who would have guessed? I mean we couldn't possibly have known this. Hardly got a mention during the campaign. Mind it was all going to be smoothly sorted in 2 years. I seem to recall David Davies and others telling us it was a piece of pi$$.

If only the entire country had listened to the words of Mervyn King during the lead up - to wit: Nobody has the slightest 4ucking inkling as to what'll happen if we vote out. Ah well.

[Worthy4England]

I'd have no problem with Brexit if they actually came up with a coherent and viable plan. A year later and we're nowhere closer to anything approaching a plan.

Who would have guessed? I mean we couldn't possibly have known this. Hardly got a mention during the campaign. Mind it was all going to be smoothly sorted in 2 years. I seem to recall David Davies and others telling us it was a piece of pi$$.

If only the entire country had listened to the words of Mervyn King during the lead up - to wit: Nobody has the slightest 4ucking inkling as to what'll happen if we vote out. Ah well.

In fairness, it didn't take the mind of Mervyn to tell us that!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I'd have no problem with Brexit if they actually came up with a coherent and viable plan. A year later and we're nowhere closer to anything approaching a plan.

Who would have guessed? I mean we couldn't possibly have known this. Hardly got a mention during the campaign. Mind it was all going to be smoothly sorted in 2 years. I seem to recall David Davies and others telling us it was a piece of pi$$.

Had to chuckle that they've only just thought about commissioning a study into the effects of migration. Might have been an idea before the vote so folk could vote on facts rather than buses

[Bruce Rioja]

I'd have no problem with Brexit if they actually came up with a coherent and viable plan. A year later and we're nowhere closer to anything approaching a plan.

Who would have guessed? I mean we couldn't possibly have known this. Hardly got a mention during the campaign. Mind it was all going to be smoothly sorted in 2 years. I seem to recall David Davies and others telling us it was a piece of pi$$.

If only the entire country had listened to the words of Mervyn King during the lead up - to wit: Nobody has the slightest 4ucking inkling as to what'll happen if we vote out. Ah well.

In fairness, it didn't take the mind of Mervyn to tell us that!

Not to us, mate, no. But to those who thought that they somehow knew better than him by listening to wankers like Farridge and Johnson.

[Lord Kangana]

I don't really understand why my wishing (or not) anything to happen would have the slightest f*cking impact when compared against what will actually happen.

We slip further and further down this stupid rabbit hole as the excuses become more and more absurd.

Grow some backbone. You voted for this mess, stop trying to deflect. The outcome will be the fault of those who voted for it, not those who didn't.

[Harry Genshaw]

Which sums it up. Selfish, poorly informed daily mail readers who offer little to society voting for a return to the 1950's that isn't possible.

Now THAT'S hyperbole! How large do you think the Daily Mail readership is?!!

As someone who voted for Brexit after much deliberation, I can assure you I don't read the DM and was only born in 1968! I might be selfish but I suppose that's an improvement on racist which was also levelled at those of us who voted out.

If the three main parties are all advocating we abide by the referendum result, then it's surely in everyone's interests that we make the best of it, irrespective of folks disappointment at the result?

[BWFC_Insane]

Which sums it up. Selfish, poorly informed daily mail readers who offer little to society voting for a return to the 1950's that isn't possible.

Now THAT'S hyperbole! How large do you think the Daily Mail readership is?!!

As someone who voted for Brexit after much deliberation, I can assure you I don't read the DM and was only born in 1968! I might be selfish but I suppose that's an improvement on racist which was also levelled at those of us who voted out.

If the three main parties are all advocating we abide by the referendum result, then it's surely in everyone's interests that we make the best of it, irrespective of folks disappointment at the result?

Online audience is about 30m is it not?

Make the best of a mess? Aye well that's what they are trying to do. Sadly as yet, there is no plan forthcoming. I mean at the time we were told it would all be done in a jiffy. Well over a year down the line and not a single thing has been agreed. And the economy has ground to a halt.

It's a total shambles.

[Hoboh]

Which sums it up. Selfish, poorly informed daily mail readers who offer little to society voting for a return to the 1950's that isn't possible.

Now THAT'S hyperbole! How large do you think the Daily Mail readership is?!!

As someone who voted for Brexit after much deliberation, I can assure you I don't read the DM and was only born in 1968! I might be selfish but I suppose that's an improvement on racist which was also levelled at those of us who voted out.

If the three main parties are all advocating we abide by the referendum result, then it's surely in everyone's interests that we make the best of it, irrespective of folks disappointment at the result?

Online audience is about 30m is it not?

Make the best of a mess? Aye well that's what they are trying to do. Sadly as yet, there is no plan forthcoming. I mean at the time we were told it would all be done in a jiffy. Well over a year down the line and not a single thing has been agreed. And the economy has ground to a halt.

It's a total shambles.

Is it bollocks!

All we have had so far is Herbert Von Wanker types telling us how much they want us to pay to cover a fcuking large hole about to appear in their budget, because they sure as shit ain't going to get it from at least two thirds of the remaining member states.
Nothing has happened because they, the mafia, will not negotiate anything properly until the 'hole' has been filled, I'd bet my ass there are as many 'worried' people over there than there are 'wets and flakes' over here.
BMW, new RR and electric mini, to be built in the UK, hardly a disaster is it? and there are other things in the pipeline, read deeper into all the 'city' jobs going to EU capitals and you will find they are setting up branches over there to comply with EU regs, not fleeing the UK wholesale, they want the best of both worlds.
I see in the eyes of our resident Socialist, doom, gloom and disaster has struck the Wanderers after one game so why am I not the least bit surprised at panic fanny mode when we haven't been stiffed in true bend over and drop 'um style by the Germans.

[BWFC_Insane]

Which sums it up. Selfish, poorly informed daily mail readers who offer little to society voting for a return to the 1950's that isn't possible.

Now THAT'S hyperbole! How large do you think the Daily Mail readership is?!!

As someone who voted for Brexit after much deliberation, I can assure you I don't read the DM and was only born in 1968! I might be selfish but I suppose that's an improvement on racist which was also levelled at those of us who voted out.

If the three main parties are all advocating we abide by the referendum result, then it's surely in everyone's interests that we make the best of it, irrespective of folks disappointment at the result?

Online audience is about 30m is it not?

Make the best of a mess? Aye well that's what they are trying to do. Sadly as yet, there is no plan forthcoming. I mean at the time we were told it would all be done in a jiffy. Well over a year down the line and not a single thing has been agreed. And the economy has ground to a halt.

It's a total shambles.

Is it bollocks!

All we have had so far is Herbert Von Wanker types telling us how much they want us to pay to cover a fcuking large hole about to appear in their budget, because they sure as shit ain't going to get it from at least two thirds of the remaining member states.
Nothing has happened because they, the mafia, will not negotiate anything properly until the 'hole' has been filled, I'd bet my ass there are as many 'worried' people over there than there are 'wets and flakes' over here.
BMW, new RR and electric mini, to be built in the UK, hardly a disaster is it? and there are other things in the pipeline, read deeper into all the 'city' jobs going to EU capitals and you will find they are setting up branches over there to comply with EU regs, not fleeing the UK wholesale, they want the best of both worlds.
I see in the eyes of our resident Socialist, doom, gloom and disaster has struck the Wanderers after one game so why am I not the least bit surprised at panic fanny mode when we haven't been stiffed in true bend over and drop 'um style by the Germans.

You seem to live in a parallel universe. We hold no cards. We have a weak government with a minority (the EU know this), and no bargaining position. The only one we had- May's pathetic threats of some sort of European tax haven - has evaporated. The EU have absolutely everything going for them. We have nothing.

We've going into these negotiations, without a clear BATNA. Anyone, who has negotiated knows this is a disaster. Mervyn King, pointed that out a few days back too. So it isn't a "loony leftist, doom and gloom" view. I've negotiated for a living. The position of the UK is abysmal right now.

[Lord Kangana]

Hardly a disaster.

And there it is, in three words.

We can have some of what we had before and be thankful.

Thats the offer on the table.

[Lord Kangana]

Oh, and just for the purpose of clarity, the new electric Mini is being asembled over here, not built.

It won't require significant investment over here to reconfigure the factory, so BMW have a get-out if we cock up negotiations.

[Hoboh]

We hold no cards.

You mean "We hold no cards that you would be willing to play because they are just, well, nasty?"

I'll tell you one thing I'd be doing and this is probably right up your new found hero Che Corbyn's street, I'd be looking at our membership of NATO and all the agreements we have for military aid with some European states.

Intelligence sharing, of which 60% either comes from our sources or US/UK sources provided by the UK would be tightly governed.

I would have UK passport holders only at the Airports working quick style with one bloke doing the checks at separate EU designated ones, after all lord knows what some of them have been up to wandering around countries with no checks on them at all.

And that's just for starters, oh and I'd re-nationalise all the utility companies owned by the pouncing Princes French, Merkel's lap dogs compatriots.

[Hoboh]

Oh, and just for the purpose of clarity, the new electric Mini is being asembled over here, not built.

It won't require significant investment over here to reconfigure the factory, so BMW have a get-out if we cock up negotiations.

Okay, go on do your worst knee bender, we then can ban all fcuking sales of Mini's in the UK if it won't affect jobs, just grow a pair and stop acting like the sh*thouse of Europe.
Ah sorry, I forgot you are so much in love with France, I haven't quite figured out why you ain't fecked off to live and use your considerable business skills over there, or does the 'socialist' part of you not extend to their working practises and taxes?

[Lord Kangana]

I would consider it, what with the convergent paths of our economies, but why would I need to when you're going to create a socialist paradise over here and renationalise everything?

[bedwetter2]

Oh, and just for the purpose of clarity, the new electric Mini is being asembled over here, not built.

It won't require significant investment over here to reconfigure the factory, so BMW have a get-out if we cock up negotiations.

If, If , If.

I agree with the more measured, less emotional Malc. Let us give the benefit of doubt to our negotiators that by giving very little away to the general public but more importantly, the EU, we have 18 or 19 months to conclude our position whilst keeping Barnier, et al on their toes.

What mess? The only thing that you could point to is the value of the pound vs Euro. A correction was due, it has taken place and may well be put into reverse once the ECB admits that the level of debt they hold is no longer sustainable.

Just to clarify, I am not anti Europe just anti-EU. How could I be when I have French friends and have been considering buying a property in France. The only thing putting me off being the vindictive anti-British attitude of Macron and Hollande. I, like a lot of Brits, will react to the actions of the EU by spending less or nothing on EU imported products should the unhelpful EU rhetoric continue.

It is difficult to conclude anything other than some pro-EU supporters are anti-democratic at best and sabotage promoters at worst.

[Lord Kangana]

It might be worth a quick glance at a dictionary, and a check on your definition of 'democracy'. It may need a little fine tuning.

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh, and just for the purpose of clarity, the new electric Mini is being asembled over here, not built.

It won't require significant investment over here to reconfigure the factory, so BMW have a get-out if we cock up negotiations.

If, If , If.

I agree with the more measured, less emotional Malc. Let us give the benefit of doubt to our negotiators that by giving very little away to the general public but more importantly, the EU, we have 18 or 19 months to conclude our position whilst keeping Barnier, et al on their toes.

What mess? The only thing that you could point to is the value of the pound vs Euro. A correction was due, it has taken place and may well be put into reverse once the ECB admits that the level of debt they hold is no longer sustainable.

Just to clarify, I am not anti Europe just anti-EU. How could I be when I have French friends and have been considering buying a property in France. The only thing putting me off being the vindictive anti-British attitude of Macron and Hollande. I, like a lot of Brits, will react to the actions of the EU by spending less or nothing on EU imported products should the unhelpful EU rhetoric continue.

It is difficult to conclude anything other than some pro-EU supporters are anti-democratic at best and sabotage promoters at worst.

LOL.

How ridiculous. Macron is pro-EU, passionately so, not anti-Britain.

Britain is unpopular in Europe, primarily because of our media. And the way it behaves. Can't blame them. Large swathes of our media is anti-European.

[Lord Kangana]

Saboteur!

[bedwetter2]

Oh, and just for the purpose of clarity, the new electric Mini is being asembled over here, not built.

It won't require significant investment over here to reconfigure the factory, so BMW have a get-out if we cock up negotiations.

If, If , If.

I agree with the more measured, less emotional Malc. Let us give the benefit of doubt to our negotiators that by giving very little away to the general public but more importantly, the EU, we have 18 or 19 months to conclude our position whilst keeping Barnier, et al on their toes.

What mess? The only thing that you could point to is the value of the pound vs Euro. A correction was due, it has taken place and may well be put into reverse once the ECB admits that the level of debt they hold is no longer sustainable.

Just to clarify, I am not anti Europe just anti-EU. How could I be when I have French friends and have been considering buying a property in France. The only thing putting me off being the vindictive anti-British attitude of Macron and Hollande. I, like a lot of Brits, will react to the actions of the EU by spending less or nothing on EU imported products should the unhelpful EU rhetoric continue.

It is difficult to conclude anything other than some pro-EU supporters are anti-democratic at best and sabotage promoters at worst.

How ridiculous. Macron is pro-EU, passionately so, not anti-Britain.

Britain is unpopular in Europe, primarily because of our media. And the way it behaves. Can't blame them. Large swathes of our media is anti-European.

It is Macron who has proposed discriminatory increases in property taxes for non-French residents - for that read British.
It is Macron who, with approval of his dominatrix Herr Merkel, has made all sorts of threats to get revenge on the UK. For what we can only guess but that applies quite often to students of Jean Paul Satre.
It is Macron who has instructed his finance minister to bust a gut in trying to lure UK based finance businesses to gay Paree.

Britain is unpopular in Europe because our media does not kowtow to the EU. We are not unpopular among the majority of French citizens. I know because I speak regularly to my French friends and recent polling has shown the honeymoon period for Macron has been the shortest for any newly elected President.

The British media? Sticks and stones, and all that. You may be an adult in age, but come across as a juvenile when defending your beloved EU.