The Politics Thread

[bedwetter2]

I'd fall about laughing but the Marxist party's latest idea spouted by that brain of Britain, Diane (I once was the leaders bit of rough) Abbott is far from funny.
Basically they are waving the white flag over illegal immigration and offering legal aid to them to stop any deportation, planning to change all the rules as well.
This country is going rapidly down hill brought on by the actions of folk like this and it's getting too late to change.
Never thought I'd say it but we need a Putin type to sort out all this PC crap, sack some Judge's, lock up lawyers and exterminate criminals.

Everything she has outlined is eminently sensible unless you are some frothing at the mouth, slack-jawed extreme nut job.

Ending indefinite detention is without a shadow of a doubt the right thing to do.

Having spent an extensive amount of time a couple of years back dealing with the appalling conditions people were kept in, in detention centres and the absolutely disgusting way they were treated closing them isn't just a good step it is absolutely imperative.

Why don't you just do the rest of society a favour and move to Russia or Saudi Arabia? They don't care much for human rights in either country and as you don't, you'll enjoy it.

Who gave permission for illegal immigrants to come here? No one. They have illegally entered the country and Corbyn's fat slug, by making such statements, is actually encouraging more to try their luck.

It's a good thing that Britain has an elastic coastline, isn't it? Otherwise we may get a bit more pushed for space than we already are.
Of course the nature of Britain has changed very significantly even during the last twenty years. One thing is certain, the insatiable appetite of socialists to spend other people's money is unchanged.

When you go shopping in your local souk just ponder on the logical end to your views. You should p*ss off to Venezuela. Maduro has found a unique way to reduce their excessive population by encouraging the less gullible to leave for pastures new. It's called emigrating.

Oh piss off. The logical end to indefinite detention and treating human beings like vermin is holocaust and Nazi Germany. The appetite of people like you for that very scenario is astounding.

There is a gulf of difference between just letting anyone in and granting indefinite stay and not splitting up families and detaining people indefinitely in inhumane and appalling conditions and treating the exercise as a targets driven numbers game.

I suggest, before you spout more absolute nonsense you go and speak to the families who were arbitrarily split up for years because one parent wasn't allowed entry, or young women who've been detained in places like yarl's wood. If you had any empathy for fellow human beings you would entirely change your tune. This isn't about allowing unfettered immigration. Its about acting with decency towards other human beings. There literally is no excuses.

Did I state that illegal immigrants should be mistreated or abused? Don't think so.
Most of this issue arises from the length of time the process takes. At any port of entry the people unable or unwilling to show documents permitting entry should be turned around immediately. That implies that our overseas embassies or consulates must be far more efficient in getting the message across and and issuing valid documents for those with a right to be here.

You mentioned the Nazis and therefore lost the argument at that point. D*ckh*ad.

[Prufrock]

I'd fall about laughing but the Marxist party's latest idea spouted by that brain of Britain, Diane (I once was the leaders bit of rough) Abbott is far from funny.
Basically they are waving the white flag over illegal immigration and offering legal aid to them to stop any deportation, planning to change all the rules as well.
This country is going rapidly down hill brought on by the actions of folk like this and it's getting too late to change.
Never thought I'd say it but we need a Putin type to sort out all this PC crap, sack some Judge's, lock up lawyers and exterminate criminals.

Never thought I'd say this but I like football and think Bolton are the team for me.

[Harry Genshaw]

I love the idea of someone in the Central African Republic knowing what Diane Abbot has said and thinking "right we're off there. Cmon love pack the bags. They're making it easier for the likes of us"

[TANGODANCER]

You can't put a quart of ale in a pint pot; it's physically impossible, but it doesn't stop people from trying.

Everything in every country is ruled by money and always will be. Sooner or later and despite my deepest beliefs in Charity, Christianity and humanitariasm, somebody will have to decide on a solution that's acceptable; inevitable if you like. ( The ideal one would be for all the countries of origin to sort themselves out and look after their own, but hey, that won't ever happen) . Quoting Scotland, Wales and the Lake District having loads of space isn't quite a solution unless anybody living there is supposed to build a mud hut, light a wood fire and kill rabbits and fish for food, ( that bit's a joke) but the same question would still apply; what's the solution and who pays for it all? Are we as a country not already paying billions to foreign aid ?

Will the supermarket moguls step up and donate chunks of their massive profits to the cause? Will Roman Abramovich and his merry band of millionaire footballers? Will Sam help out? Simple answer is no and even that would be a temporary and not a pemanent solution. The numbers already don't add up in grand style. All a bit like the War of the World's song adapted: "The chances of anyone coming from their African/Asian Ma's is a million to one, he said......but still they come.

I have no ides of any sort what the solution is. Make Insaney P.M perhaps?

Here's a situation closer to home where we can't afford to mend potholes in the road:

https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/reports/lmp/ ... table.aspx

[BWFC_Insane]

You can't put a quart of ale in a pint pot; it's physically impossible, but it doesn't stop people from trying.

Everything in every country is ruled by money and always will be. Sooner or later and despite my deepest beliefs in Charity, Christianity and humanitariasm, somebody will have to decide on a solution that's acceptable; inevitable if you like. ( The ideal one would be for all the countries of origin to sort themselves out and look after their own, but hey, that won't ever happen) . Quoting Scotland, Wales and the Lake District having loads of space isn't quite a solution unless anybody living there is supposed to build a mud hut, light a wood fire and kill rabbits and fish for food, ( that bit's a joke) but the same question would still apply; what's the solution and who pays for it all? Are we as a country not already paying billions to foreign aid ?

Will the supermarket moguls step up and donate chunks of their massive profits to the cause? Will Roman Abramovich and his merry band of millionaire footballers? Will Sam help out? Simple answer is no and even that would be a temporary and not a pemanent solution. The numbers already don't add up in grand style. All a bit like the War of the World's song adapted: "The chances of anyone coming from their African/Asian Ma's is a million to one, he said......but still they come.

I have no ides of any sort what the solution is. Make Insaney P.M perhaps?

Here's a situation closer to home where we can't afford to mend potholes in the road:

https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/reports/lmp/ ... table.aspx

I'll tell you where the solution lies. International cooperation on a large scale.

If only there was some sort of club we could be a member of where these issues could be handled cooperatively and shared across member states...hmmmm....

In all seriousness though yes, we cannot afford to keep net migration in the hundreds of thousands. Of course we can't. But there are 3 major factors.
1) Unskilled migrant labourers - easiest tap to shut off post EU, BUT economically the impact is huge.
2) Skilled migrant workers - our health service for example cannot survive without them.
3) Asylum seekers - we need to take our share and work in harmony with the international community to ensure people fleeing persecution, war and terror are dealt with as human beings rather than targets and numbers.

The daily mail etc rhetoric isn't helpful on any of these issues. Making Britain a "hostile place" is and never will be the British answer, and its a massive stain that we've allowed right wing politics to dominate for so long that it has come to this.

In short we need an immigration system that balances economic need, social pressures and our duty to the rest of the world. But it cannot be designed in isolation and we should be tackling this on a far wider platform. The problem after all, is a shared worldwide one.

[BWFC_Insane]

Just caught up on the gammon debate.

So let me get this straight. The angry middle-aged men who bang on about PC gone mad and having their ability to speak their minds squashed are complaining about being referred to as "gammons" because they think its racist? What a bunch of snowf.....oh....

You couldn't make this up.

[TANGODANCER]

Just caught up on the gammon debate. So let me get this straight. The angry middle-aged men who bang on about PC gone mad and having their ability to speak their minds squashed are complaining about being referred to as "gammons" because they think its racist? What a bunch of snowf.....oh....You couldn't make this up.

Well, er if you really have to call them names at all, why not say angry middle-aged men ( why even stipulate middle-aged unless you or your family won't ever be that) who bang on about PC gone mad and having their ability to speak their minds squashed? That's what you claim they are (if name calling is your thing, that is) isn't it? Best to not get involved at all in things dafter than daft I'd say.

[Harry Genshaw]

Just caught up on the gammon debate.

So let me get this straight. The angry middle-aged men who bang on about PC gone mad and having their ability to speak their minds squashed are complaining about being referred to as "gammons" because they think its racist? What a bunch of snowf.....oh....

You couldn't make this up.

I'm not angry but I am middle aged and I did vote for brexit. Perhaps that makes me a gammon. Like I give a *hit!

Turning the argument around. It's not acceptable to use pejorative terms around people's skin colour so why is gammon OK?

[TANGODANCER]

I'll tell you where the solution lies. International cooperation on a large scale. If only there was some sort of club we could be a member of where these issues could be handled cooperatively and shared across member states...hmmmm....
In all seriousness though yes, we cannot afford to keep net migration in the hundreds of thousands. Of course we can't. But there are 3 major factors.
1) Unskilled migrant labourers - easiest tap to shut off post EU, BUT economically the impact is huge.
2) Skilled migrant workers - our health service for example cannot survive without them.
3) Asylum seekers - we need to take our share and work in harmony with the international community to ensure people fleeing persecution, war and terror are dealt with as human beings rather than targets and numbers.

Aye, all very Sunday come to meeting and so easy to say on here. International cooperation, oh yes, definitely. Let's have a sort-the-world-out day and invite everybody over. Trouble is, we haven't been at war or caused any of the problems that makes the UK an Eldorado to all points of the compass, (excluding the Falklands and Gibralta scuffles, for a while now) Meanwhile, despite us being in constant turmoil with immigration, legal or otherwise, still they come. Now if you can put your Johnny Appleseed outfit away and face reality, the chances of said, International cooperation are as likely as Bolton winning the European Cup, ie,pipe dreams. Who (which country) cares about the U.K's problems? Destination U.K still seems the one-way ticket favourite for any country from the East. (That isn't racist by the way, bacause once you pass Ireland to the west, you have about 3,000 miles of ocean to Canada and America's eastern seaboard, with only Bermuda (600 miles from anywhere) as a coffee break, whereas northwards, eastwards, south and and south eastwards we have a lot of neighbours and "friends" many of them wanting to come and say hello. None of all this is even hinting at any sort of solution, because until the neighbours sort their problems out, all the fine words and good intentions in the world don't mean shxt. Some unfriendly folk in the south east are still calling us Crusaders, something we havent been for about 900 years . Next?

[Hoboh]

I believe there is an ostrich in Bolton goes by the moniker Bwfci, this daft bird when it's head is not in the sand thinks all criminals are just misunderstood humans who lack love and compassion, anyone has the right to wander into any country and expect cash and support from those natives who have paid hand over fist taxes to pay for certain rights and services.
In this cuckoo's head people have no right to work hard accumulate wealth to support then pass on to their families and most certainly should not be allowed to vote on anything because that would erode the powers of the other ostriches.
Money wealth and property should only be available as a means for the lords of the universe to maintain their power base and engineer society to their way and for their gain and satisfaction.
This ostrich is easy to spot it wears a red tie with a picture of a gnarled old man stuck to it's back.

[TANGODANCER]

Theoretically, and if we lived in an ideal world, I agree with what Insaney says. Unfortunately....we don't. Any solutions must be feasible and not ideaological ones. Proceed....

[BWFC_Insane]

I believe there is an ostrich in Bolton goes by the moniker Bwfci, this daft bird when it's head is not in the sand thinks all criminals are just misunderstood humans who lack love and compassion, anyone has the right to wander into any country and expect cash and support from those natives who have paid hand over fist taxes to pay for certain rights and services.
In this cuckoo's head people have no right to work hard accumulate wealth to support then pass on to their families and most certainly should not be allowed to vote on anything because that would erode the powers of the other ostriches.
Money wealth and property should only be available as a means for the lords of the universe to maintain their power base and engineer society to their way and for their gain and satisfaction.
This ostrich is easy to spot it wears a red tie with a picture of a gnarled old man stuck to it's back.

Oink oink....

[BWFC_Insane]

Theoretically, and if we lived in an ideal world, I agree with what Insaney says. Unfortunately....we don't. Any solutions must be feasible and not ideaological ones. Proceed....

It isn't theoretically. We live in a world where nowadays people can even in desperate situations reach pretty much anywhere. You simply cannot stop people arriving here. You also have to accept that we cannot ban all immigration as economically such a move would crash us.

Being realistic whatever we do requires widespread cooperation. These are worldwide problems. No more do we have the luxury of revelling in our island status and pulling the drawbridge down. The gates are opened and cannot be shut.

If thousands of people are displaced by war, internationally we could work together to find solutions. We could do our bit and also make sure everyone else does too. But only if we start from a place of wanting to, and wanting to work with others. The long term is this, whatever we do, whatever we put in place will not work without help from others.

[bedwetter2]

Theoretically, and if we lived in an ideal world, I agree with what Insaney says. Unfortunately....we don't. Any solutions must be feasible and not ideaological ones. Proceed....

It isn't theoretically. We live in a world where nowadays people can even in desperate situations reach pretty much anywhere. You simply cannot stop people arriving here. You also have to accept that we cannot ban all immigration as economically such a move would crash us.

Being realistic whatever we do requires widespread cooperation. These are worldwide problems. No more do we have the luxury of revelling in our island status and pulling the drawbridge down. The gates are opened and cannot be shut.

If thousands of people are displaced by war, internationally we could work together to find solutions. We could do our bit and also make sure everyone else does too. But only if we start from a place of wanting to, and wanting to work with others. The long term is this, whatever we do, whatever we put in place will not work without help from others.

Being serious for a moment, it is quite obvious what the current level of immigration - both legal and illegal - will result in. Industry and Government have been waving around a forecast, ignored by most, that up to 20% of the current working population will be made redundant by automation in the shorter term. In the longer term, up to 50%.

Under such circumstances, whilst a lot of people will have plenty of leisure time, not many will have the resources to make the best of it. That changes everything. The tax base could not possibly support a larger population, rather the only answer would be to significantly reduce the population. And stop any more coming in.

[BWFC_Insane]

Theoretically, and if we lived in an ideal world, I agree with what Insaney says. Unfortunately....we don't. Any solutions must be feasible and not ideaological ones. Proceed....

It isn't theoretically. We live in a world where nowadays people can even in desperate situations reach pretty much anywhere. You simply cannot stop people arriving here. You also have to accept that we cannot ban all immigration as economically such a move would crash us.

Being realistic whatever we do requires widespread cooperation. These are worldwide problems. No more do we have the luxury of revelling in our island status and pulling the drawbridge down. The gates are opened and cannot be shut.

If thousands of people are displaced by war, internationally we could work together to find solutions. We could do our bit and also make sure everyone else does too. But only if we start from a place of wanting to, and wanting to work with others. The long term is this, whatever we do, whatever we put in place will not work without help from others.

Being serious for a moment, it is quite obvious what the current level of immigration - both legal and illegal - will result in. Industry and Government have been waving around a forecast, ignored by most, that up to 20% of the current working population will be made redundant by automation in the shorter term. In the longer term, up to 50%.

Under such circumstances, whilst a lot of people will have plenty of leisure time, not many will have the resources to make the best of it. That changes everything. The tax base could not possibly support a larger population, rather the only answer would be to significantly reduce the population. And stop any more coming in.

Given around 40% of population growth is "natural" as in, not related to immigration, I'm interested in how you propose to do that.....

[TANGODANCER]

Being serious for a moment, it is quite obvious what the current level of immigration - both legal and illegal - will result in. Industry and Government have been waving around a forecast, ignored by most, that up to 20% of the current working population will be made redundant by automation in the shorter term. In the longer term, up to 50%. Under such circumstances, whilst a lot of people will have plenty of leisure time, not many will have the resources to make the best of it. That changes everything. The tax base could not possibly support a larger population, rather the only answer would be to significantly reduce the population. And stop any more coming in.

Trouble is mate, it's already serious in a big way. Trying to make plans to run the future universe should be left alone and let each generation have its time, ie live for now and take care of current problems. If you read into history you'll find that generations of intelliegent and knowlegable people lived on earth as far back as very ancient times. The knowlege that built the Pyramids etc, is still a mystery thousands of years later. Where did that knowlege go and why has future knowlege been used on a variety of ways to kill each other? Who knows that nuclear energy, atomic bombs, automation and computerisation wont's disappear up their own rectums in the future and our descendants will re-invent fire and the wheel?

[BWFC_Insane]

Being serious for a moment, it is quite obvious what the current level of immigration - both legal and illegal - will result in. Industry and Government have been waving around a forecast, ignored by most, that up to 20% of the current working population will be made redundant by automation in the shorter term. In the longer term, up to 50%. Under such circumstances, whilst a lot of people will have plenty of leisure time, not many will have the resources to make the best of it. That changes everything. The tax base could not possibly support a larger population, rather the only answer would be to significantly reduce the population. And stop any more coming in.

Trouble is mate, it's already serious in a big way. Trying to make plans to run the future universe should be left alone and let each generation have its time, ie live for now and take care of current problems. If you read into history you'll find that generations of intelliegent and knowlegable people lived on earth as far back as very ancient times. The knowlege that built the Pyramids etc, is still a mystery thousands of years later. Where did that knowlege go and why has future knowlege been used on a variety of ways to kill each other? Who knows that nuclear energy, atomic bombs, automation and computerisation wont's disappear up their own rectums in the future and our descendants will re-invent fire and the wheel?

It has also been used to keep people alive.....people living longer accounts for a considerable chunk of our population rise and also accounts for a huge percentage for the drain on the NHS.

In the end a good war that wipes out half the world's population might fix a lot of things. Why co-operate when we can just blow each other up?

[boltonboris]

Just caught up on the gammon debate.

So let me get this straight. The angry middle-aged men who bang on about PC gone mad and having their ability to speak their minds squashed are complaining about being referred to as "gammons" because they think its racist? What a bunch of snowf.....oh....

You couldn't make this up.

I think it's quite fun - Although I do see a lot of irony in many Jew haters calling people who dislike Islam "gammons"

[Prufrock]

I find it baffling. It's the kind of stuff a seven year old would reject for "lacking punch". Gammon, snowflake, melt? Wait till they discover swearing!

[boltonboris]

I find it baffling. It's the kind of stuff a seven year old would reject for "lacking punch". Gammon, snowflake, melt? Wait till they discover swearing!

Oh do fvck off, Prufrock you quilt


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