The Politics Thread

[Prufrock]

Hmmm... might have to have a rethink then

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Hmmm... might have to have a rethink then

In order to make you feel more comfortable, I was merely referring to that specific post of yours...

[boltonboris]

The Guardian continuing to do an absolute hatchet job on the 7 departures.

Which is rich, considering they often cry about Media Hatchet jobs on politicians they like..

I made the mistake of following the Guardian on Facebook - So far, the comments sections are people rejoicing whenever somebody dies and vague death threats against anybody who isn't Jeremy Corbyn, or John McDonell. A very, very strange, hate-filled and divisive audience, they have

[Enoch]

Heidi Allen wants destroy the Tory Party. That would be the party she was happy to stand for at a general election 20 months ago.

Women scorned, eh. Good luck with that Heidi.

[Enoch]

Less than three years ago I recall the French public rushing to herald a new dawn.

Vive En marche!

How's that going?

[BWFC_Insane]

Heidi Allen wants destroy the Tory Party. That would be the party she was happy to stand for at a general election 20 months ago.

Women scorned, eh. Good luck with that Heidi.

Theresa May once tweeted that staying in the EU was crucial for our economic prosperity....she campaigned for remain on that basis.

So I think the point Allen and Soubry and Wollaston made was that in the party you are forced to go along with things you don't agree with. You do this thinking ultimately the party will do things for the greater good. However, as Allen accurately said when you see the party you are in makes people poorer and doesn't care - you have to make a decision.

I don't think anyone with any humanity or common sense would want to be associated with either main party - given one cannot deal with anti-semitism and takes actions complicit with it and the other has enacted a range of policies that wouldn't be far removed from Nazi Germany. In both parties people with moderate views are being threatened for deselection by extremists.

[BWFC_Insane]

The Guardian continuing to do an absolute hatchet job on the 7 departures.

Which is rich, considering they often cry about Media Hatchet jobs on politicians they like..

I made the mistake of following the Guardian on Facebook - So far, the comments sections are people rejoicing whenever somebody dies and vague death threats against anybody who isn't Jeremy Corbyn, or John McDonell. A very, very strange, hate-filled and divisive audience, they have

The Guardian are accused of hating Labour, hating the Tories and hating the centre ground. Whereas I rather suspect they are simply more prone to report actual stuff rather than toe a strict editorial line....

Comments sections are like that across the board nowadays. Its disturbing. One only needs to look on twitter to see the hate filled nonsense from hard left Labour anti-semites and hard right Brexiteer drones. People wanting babies to die because of the religion they are born into has to be seen as shocking extreme - but sadly on social media that sort of nonsense seems to be almost accepted. Its extremist hatred and I'll never stop reminding people of that.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I don't think anyone with any humanity or common sense would want to be associated with either main party - given one cannot deal with anti-semitism and takes actions complicit with it and the other has enacted a range of policies that wouldn't be far removed from Nazi Germany.

...sadly on social media that sort of nonsense seems to be almost accepted. Its extremist hatred and I'll never stop reminding people of that.

Go on then I'll bite.
Precisely what policy (any specific one, never mind 'a range') has the Tory party enacted that isn't far removed from Nazi Germany?
Have they invaded Poland? I think you'll find more Poles here than Tories in Poland. Have they set up a concentration camp in Slough and interned the Jews? I think you'll find you're mixing up the aspirations of Labour and Tories there!
Come on, what policy has been Enacted That Isn't Far Removed From Nazi Germany? Really??? Or are you just mouthing extremist hatred on a social media channel? You need to keep reminding yourself about that, fella.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Less than three years ago I recall the French public rushing to herald a new dawn.

Vive En marche!

How's that going?

Without getting bogged down in the quagmire of continental cross-country politics, I think we need a new party here. I suggest naming it SWAMP (Socialist Workers for an Alternative Movement in Politics). Our slogan: "On Marsh".

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't think anyone with any humanity or common sense would want to be associated with either main party - given one cannot deal with anti-semitism and takes actions complicit with it and the other has enacted a range of policies that wouldn't be far removed from Nazi Germany.

...sadly on social media that sort of nonsense seems to be almost accepted. Its extremist hatred and I'll never stop reminding people of that.

Go on then I'll bite.
Precisely what policy (any specific one, never mind 'a range') has the Tory party enacted that isn't far removed from Nazi Germany?
Have they invaded Poland? I think you'll find more Poles here than Tories in Poland. Have they set up a concentration camp in Slough and interned the Jews? I think you'll find you're mixing up the aspirations of Labour and Tories there!
Come on, what policy has been Enacted That Isn't Far Removed From Nazi Germany? Really??? Or are you just mouthing extremist hatred on a social media channel? You need to keep reminding yourself about that, fella.

Two words....hostile environment.

[Enoch]

Less than three years ago I recall the French public rushing to herald a new dawn.

Vive En marche!

How's that going?

Without getting bogged down in the quagmire of continental cross-country politics, I think we need a new party here. I suggest naming it SWAMP (Socialist Workers for an Alternative Movement in Politics). Our slogan: "On Marsh".

When they fail to win any seats they can say the British public are a bunch of thick know nowt facists and demand another election.

[Bruce Rioja]

I see that Derek Hatton wasn't back round for long then ?!

"Right, so which issue's dogging Labour at the moment?"
"Antisemitism".
"OK, so what happens if we type 'Derek Hatton' and saaaaaaaaaay 'Israel' into Google?"
"Oh, 4ucking Bingo".

[BWFC_Insane]

I see that Derek Hatton wasn't back round for long then ?!

"Right, so which issue's dogging Labour at the moment?"
"Antisemitism".
"OK, so what happens if we type 'Derek Hatton' and saaaaaaaaaay 'Israel' into Google?"
"Oh, 4ucking Bingo".

Imagine letting Hatton back in? Or even considering it.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I don't think anyone with any humanity or common sense would want to be associated with either main party - given one cannot deal with anti-semitism and takes actions complicit with it and the other has enacted a range of policies that wouldn't be far removed from Nazi Germany.

...sadly on social media that sort of nonsense seems to be almost accepted. Its extremist hatred and I'll never stop reminding people of that.

Go on then I'll bite.
Precisely what policy (any specific one, never mind 'a range') has the Tory party enacted that isn't far removed from Nazi Germany?
Have they invaded Poland? I think you'll find more Poles here than Tories in Poland. Have they set up a concentration camp in Slough and interned the Jews? I think you'll find you're mixing up the aspirations of Labour and Tories there!
Come on, what policy has been Enacted That Isn't Far Removed From Nazi Germany? Really??? Or are you just mouthing extremist hatred on a social media channel? You need to keep reminding yourself about that, fella.

Two words....hostile environment.

The Tory Party enacted a hostile environment?
Was that the Hostile Environment Act (2018) by any chance? Did Nazi Germany have a similar one - Feindselige Umbegung (1933)???
Whoooh look, Theresa May has written a book. So did Adolf Hitler! QED.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't think anyone with any humanity or common sense would want to be associated with either main party - given one cannot deal with anti-semitism and takes actions complicit with it and the other has enacted a range of policies that wouldn't be far removed from Nazi Germany.

...sadly on social media that sort of nonsense seems to be almost accepted. Its extremist hatred and I'll never stop reminding people of that.

Go on then I'll bite.
Precisely what policy (any specific one, never mind 'a range') has the Tory party enacted that isn't far removed from Nazi Germany?
Have they invaded Poland? I think you'll find more Poles here than Tories in Poland. Have they set up a concentration camp in Slough and interned the Jews? I think you'll find you're mixing up the aspirations of Labour and Tories there!
Come on, what policy has been Enacted That Isn't Far Removed From Nazi Germany? Really??? Or are you just mouthing extremist hatred on a social media channel? You need to keep reminding yourself about that, fella.

Two words....hostile environment.

The Tory Party enacted a hostile environment?
Was that the Hostile Environment Act (2018) by any chance? Did Nazi Germany have a similar one - Feindselige Umbegung (1933)???
Whoooh look, Theresa May has written a book. So did Adolf Hitler! QED.

You know full well what I refer to. Dog whistle policy and language that wouldn't have been out of place in 1930's Germany.

Then we have UC and 2 retrospective 2 child policy that was just so abhorrent they had to scrap their own policy in shame.

I can very coherently and precisely talk for pages and pages about why the Conservative party are completely morally bankrupt - especially this Conservative party. I have absolutely strength in my conviction here. I suspect you might agree with me but want an argument regardless....if you think they are a party you'd want to be associated with - then we can carry on!

[Prufrock]

I mean there's a fair gap between that and the Nazis.

And you know when you make a Nazi comparison people aren't going to jump to domestic policy in the mid-30s of that's where you're going.

[Enoch]

F*ckin' 'ell!

[BWFC_Insane]

I mean there's a fair gap between that and the Nazis.

And you know when you make a Nazi comparison people aren't going to jump to domestic policy in the mid-30s of that's where you're going.

Is there? I said it wouldn't have been a policy and implementation out of place in Nazi Germany. In fact early Nazi policy was to make Germany so unpleasant for Jews to live in that they'd all leave (whilst paying the Nazi party on their way).

It was in my mind (and many many others) a completely unthinkable set of ideas to introduce in modern Britain. And in my opinion lit the touch paper for the rise in racism seen within our society now.

I'm not suggesting the Tories are totalitarian or a violent regime. I'm saying that their some of their policies, morally are abhorrent - and things like ordering vans to drive round neighbourhoods telling foreign people to "go home" are far closer to something you'd expect to see in 1939 in Germany than post 2012 in the UK!

[Hoboh]

I mean there's a fair gap between that and the Nazis.

And you know when you make a Nazi comparison people aren't going to jump to domestic policy in the mid-30s of that's where you're going.

Is there? I said it wouldn't have been a policy and implementation out of place in Nazi Germany. In fact early Nazi policy was to make Germany so unpleasant for Jews to live in that they'd all leave (whilst paying the Nazi party on their way).

It was in my mind (and many many others) a completely unthinkable set of ideas to introduce in modern Britain. And in my opinion lit the touch paper for the rise in racism seen within our society now.

I'm not suggesting the Tories are totalitarian or a violent regime. I'm saying that their some of their policies, morally are abhorrent - and things like ordering vans to drive round neighbourhoods telling foreign people to "go home" are far closer to something you'd expect to see in 1939 in Germany than post 2012 in the UK!

Oh ffs!
Are you thinking you are a latter day Jesus Christ expecting everyone to give away everything they own in a generous humanitarian love in, or are you a soppy left leaning liberal who likes telling others how their money should be spent.
Actually, come to think of it, I reckon Corbyn and the farm owner Mac might be nearer to the centre left than you.
I think you will find if you actually open your eyes for once that more and more folk are getting sick to the back teeth of the myriad of excuses pushed to excuse the lazy and dickheads these days, the oh poor me what about my rights? Rights are fine if some of these tw#ts actually thought about responsibility as well!

[BWFC_Insane]

I mean there's a fair gap between that and the Nazis.

And you know when you make a Nazi comparison people aren't going to jump to domestic policy in the mid-30s of that's where you're going.

Is there? I said it wouldn't have been a policy and implementation out of place in Nazi Germany. In fact early Nazi policy was to make Germany so unpleasant for Jews to live in that they'd all leave (whilst paying the Nazi party on their way).

It was in my mind (and many many others) a completely unthinkable set of ideas to introduce in modern Britain. And in my opinion lit the touch paper for the rise in racism seen within our society now.

I'm not suggesting the Tories are totalitarian or a violent regime. I'm saying that their some of their policies, morally are abhorrent - and things like ordering vans to drive round neighbourhoods telling foreign people to "go home" are far closer to something you'd expect to see in 1939 in Germany than post 2012 in the UK!

Oh ffs!
Are you thinking you are a latter day Jesus Christ expecting everyone to give away everything they own in a generous humanitarian love in, or are you a soppy left leaning liberal who likes telling others how their money should be spent.
Actually, come to think of it, I reckon Corbyn and the farm owner Mac might be nearer to the centre left than you.
I think you will find if you actually open your eyes for once that more and more folk are getting sick to the back teeth of the myriad of excuses pushed to excuse the lazy and dickheads these days, the oh poor me what about my rights? Rights are fine if some of these tw#ts actually thought about responsibility as well!

And this is how distorted you are. Someone believing that vans driving round effectively saying "send the buggers back" - IS NOT OK - does not make said person an extremist. It just makes them a normal member of society.

People who think a policy of creating a "hostile environment" is ok - they are the extremists - and there are countless, countless lessons from history to show exactly why.

I'll never stop believing in my country's ability to foster a strong society built around care and compassion for each other and a collective desire to make things better for the whole world. Never. That does not make me extremist. It simply means I haven't and never will give up.