The Politics Thread

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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
12
40%
Conservatives
11
37%
Liberal Democrats
2
7%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
10%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
Total votes: 30

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:49 pm

Gooner Girl wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:43 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:55 pm
Gooner Girl wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:14 pm
Braved the elements here to vote - not that it will make a huge difference in the tory stronghold of Mid Sussex. None of the tactical voters can decide which has more chance between labour and Lib Dem so the ‘get Boris out’ vote will be split. :| Still, at least Nicholas Soames has finally stepped down #gratefulforsmallmercies
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None of them are exactly setting the world alight are they? I’d vote green if I thought it wasn’t a wasted vote.
If we could get PR then I'd vote for them every time.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:54 pm

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Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:46 pm
Be interesting to see what the turnout is. A month or so ago, with the referendum in mind I imagine many were planning on not bothering. As it's got nearer its felt like a greater emphasis on parties getting their support out and folk deciding to jump one way or t'other
The traffic around mine, all going to the polling station at the back was chaotic this morning, and then again this evening. Now, of course, the nation doesn't revolve around my house but if it's in anyway representative then there's been a very decent turnout today.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Prufrock » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:05 am

Well that's your answer to that. Turns out plenty of folk took the whole "feck off and join the Tories" literally. Looking forward to finding out how that isn't their fault.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:12 am

Go Jezza!

Can't say I didn't enjoy watching Aggrieved chewing his lip.

C*nt.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:28 am

How embarrassing was Jezza's acceptance speech!

C*n't.

A tad surprised our next Prime Minister lost her seat!

:)

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:07 am

Chuka.

#changefuckall/libdem/oblivion

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by LeverEnd » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:50 am

Enoch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:12 am
Go Jezza!

Can't say I didn't enjoy watching Aggrieved chewing his lip.

C*nt.
Everything the Tories ever dreamed of. Useless clueless feck*.

Let's hope for a decent leader of the opposition. And let's hope it's not selected by Momentum and their bunch of political imbeciles.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Harry Genshaw » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am

Like it or not, it's a ringing endorsement for Brexit and for Boris. God help us!
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:08 am

Well, 2016 we will never vote to leave the EU, wrong.

2017 the Marxist madmen will win the election, wrong.

2018 onwards half of those that voted leave didn't know what they were voting for and masses have changed their minds, wrong

2019 Brand new Brexit party is a joke just a few old men and diehards, never win in the European elections, wrong

General election and the mad Marxists are going to take power and win the election, wrong.
Limp wrists sorry liberal undemocrats are going to downing street with a robot PM voted in by the masses of remainers and those who changed their minds wrong.

Some people should get out of their bubble once in a while and note which way the river is flowing. :lol:

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:15 am

Oh almost forgot, whatever happened to the millions of youth voters banded about on social media and has anyone got a hanky for silly Lilly she's run out of Kleenex.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by dave the minion » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:45 am

Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am
Like it or not, it's a ringing endorsement for Brexit and for Boris. God help us!
Don't think it is a ringing endorsement for either. I think it was more a case of the "least bad" option prevailed, rather than a scenario where people really wanted this outcome. In my line of work I come across a lot of people from different walks of life and there is still a huge support for no brexit, but also a sense of resignation that its going to happen and Boris and his chums will get this done the quickest so we can all move on (the uncertainty around Brexit or not or when is harming markets massively and people just want a solution).

As I said, I think a lot of people voted Tory not because the believe in them or support Boris, but purely because they couldn't vote for the current shambles that Labour are in, and didn't want to "waste" a vote on the LibDems - Conservative was the least bad....
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:53 am

dave the minion wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:45 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am
Like it or not, it's a ringing endorsement for Brexit and for Boris. God help us!
Don't think it is a ringing endorsement for either. I think it was more a case of the "least bad" option prevailed, rather than a scenario where people really wanted this outcome. In my line of work I come across a lot of people from different walks of life and there is still a huge support for no brexit, but also a sense of resignation that its going to happen and Boris and his chums will get this done the quickest so we can all move on (the uncertainty around Brexit or not or when is harming markets massively and people just want a solution).

As I said, I think a lot of people voted Tory not because the believe in them or support Boris, but purely because they couldn't vote for the current shambles that Labour are in, and didn't want to "waste" a vote on the LibDems - Conservative was the least bad....
I think it's more the case, well in the case of those I know they would like to stay in the EU but unlike some of the hysterical remainers, they accepted they lost the original referendum and all the shenanigans in parliament and other places got up their nose as much as mine.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by jimbo » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:49 am

Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am
Like it or not, it's a ringing endorsement for Brexit and for Boris. God help us!
It’s an overwhelming election victory for sure, but it’s still worth bearing in mind that 56% of the country didn’t vote for his government. In such a divisive campaign that’s a huge number of people who will be very against the policies of the current Conservative party. What Johnson needs to do is try and bring them onside to unite the country, rather than pursuing an agenda and policies that will alienate them further.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by jimbo » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:58 am

jimbo wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:49 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am
Like it or not, it's a ringing endorsement for Brexit and for Boris. God help us!
It’s an overwhelming election victory for sure, but it’s still worth bearing in mind that 56% of the country didn’t vote for his government. In such a divisive campaign that’s a huge number of people who will be very against the policies of the current Conservative party. What Johnson needs to do is try and bring them onside to unite the country, rather than pursuing an agenda and policies that will alienate them further.
Personally I find it depressing that despite their record on funding public services and welfare in the last 9 years people have still voted for them in huge numbers. I’ve worked in a couple of deprived areas in the last few years, and seen the effects of cuts on those communities, yet both have returned Conservative MPs.

It’s a damning thing for labour that they performed so dreadfully against such a terrible government. They really need a re-think, as do the Lib Dem’s who now need to find a position in the new post Brexit world.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:33 am

dave the minion wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:45 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am
Like it or not, it's a ringing endorsement for Brexit and for Boris. God help us!
Don't think it is a ringing endorsement for either. I think it was more a case of the "least bad" option prevailed, rather than a scenario where people really wanted this outcome. In my line of work I come across a lot of people from different walks of life and there is still a huge support for no brexit, but also a sense of resignation that its going to happen and Boris and his chums will get this done the quickest so we can all move on (the uncertainty around Brexit or not or when is harming markets massively and people just want a solution).

As I said, I think a lot of people voted Tory not because the believe in them or support Boris, but purely because they couldn't vote for the current shambles that Labour are in, and didn't want to "waste" a vote on the LibDems - Conservative was the least bad....
This has been one of the worst governments in history for cutting back the state and it's spending, poverty is very real and rising, the gap between haves and have nots, getting wider. Despite that, Labour has been thoroughly trounced. People like me, left of centre but marginally so, couldn't vote for the stupidity policies or especially Corbyn and Momentum. Brexit played pretty much zero part in my thinking. I didn't vote Tory but I didn't vote Labour either, despite thinking "I'm wasting my vote, here"...

Labour carry on their dalliance with Momentum and the harder left, and they might as well read "Militant" from the 1980's, spending years unsuccessfully trying to convince an electorate that is broadly right of centre and further right of centre, that they have the best ideas.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Gooner Girl » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:54 am

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:49 pm
Gooner Girl wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:43 pm
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:55 pm
Gooner Girl wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:14 pm
Braved the elements here to vote - not that it will make a huge difference in the tory stronghold of Mid Sussex. None of the tactical voters can decide which has more chance between labour and Lib Dem so the ‘get Boris out’ vote will be split. :| Still, at least Nicholas Soames has finally stepped down #gratefulforsmallmercies
I'm still waiting for a party to come along who match my politics, being - Work hard, help those out who can not, go feck yourselves to those who will not. :)
None of them are exactly setting the world alight are they? I’d vote green if I thought it wasn’t a wasted vote.
If we could get PR then I'd vote for them every time.
Next time I’m going to vote green. Labour and Lib Dem combined got 26k votes here compared with the tories 33k. Not even close.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:53 am

Worthy4England wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:33 am
dave the minion wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:45 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 am
Like it or not, it's a ringing endorsement for Brexit and for Boris. God help us!
Don't think it is a ringing endorsement for either. I think it was more a case of the "least bad" option prevailed, rather than a scenario where people really wanted this outcome. In my line of work I come across a lot of people from different walks of life and there is still a huge support for no brexit, but also a sense of resignation that its going to happen and Boris and his chums will get this done the quickest so we can all move on (the uncertainty around Brexit or not or when is harming markets massively and people just want a solution).

As I said, I think a lot of people voted Tory not because the believe in them or support Boris, but purely because they couldn't vote for the current shambles that Labour are in, and didn't want to "waste" a vote on the LibDems - Conservative was the least bad....
This has been one of the worst governments in history for cutting back the state and it's spending, poverty is very real and rising, the gap between haves and have nots, getting wider. Despite that, Labour has been thoroughly trounced. People like me, left of centre but marginally so, couldn't vote for the stupidity policies or especially Corbyn and Momentum. Brexit played pretty much zero part in my thinking. I didn't vote Tory but I didn't vote Labour either, despite thinking "I'm wasting my vote, here"...

Labour carry on their dalliance with Momentum and the harder left, and they might as well read "Militant" from the 1980's, spending years unsuccessfully trying to convince an electorate that is broadly right of centre and further right of centre, that they have the best ideas.
Would a centrist Labour leader have made any difference? I'm no Corbyn fan and my vote I suspect was exactly the same as yours (and similarly wasted) but centrist Labour would be more pro EU than Corbyn. And what would they have to persuade the wider electorate not to vote for the Tories given we're in a sea of rising right wing populism?

I mean centrist Ed Milliband got fewer votes in 2015 than Corbyn did last night. I think it's oversimplifying it to say "appoint a centre left type". Sure it would win back you and I - but not those who vote purely on immigration or wanting an end to liberal values in this country - as is the current trend.

Clearly Corbyn needs to go and immediately. And so does MOST but not all of his front bench. But they need to offer something brave and hopeful and inspiring. That's the only way they'll win round an electorate and it will take time, lots of it. But as you say this government have played the classic con-trick of increasing poverty, running down the NHS and public services and then getting the very people they've disadvantaged to vote for them by passing the blame on the "immigrants, EU and anyone who isn't a rabid right wing nuisance". That's the situation. To counter that Labour need to offer something radically different, deliverable (not nationalising everything that moves) but also exciting. Just putting the nearest thing to Blair in there won't fix this. A move to the centre doesn't entirely fix it. They need credibility and stature amongst the electorate but also to appear to be offering a genuine improvement for people. I've no idea how they achieve that now, but somehow eventually they will. They'll have to.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:13 pm

All they need to do is come up with some catchphrases and lie better.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:49 pm

More of the British public chose the deceitful, lying bastard than chose the deceitful lying bastards that spent the last six months calling him a deceitful, lying bastard.

...and once again Johnson didn't win because he won the vote but because all the smart intellects lost the argument to the fascists!

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by malcd1 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:24 pm

LeverEnd wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:50 am
Enoch wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:12 am
Go Jezza!

Can't say I didn't enjoy watching Aggrieved chewing his lip.

C*nt.
Everything the Tories ever dreamed of. Useless clueless feck*.

Let's hope for a decent leader of the opposition. And let's hope it's not selected by Momentum and their bunch of political imbeciles.

I agree that this country needs a strong opposition to challenge and keep the government in check. Corbyn and the socialist idiots failed miserably at everything so although it wasn't a shock they lost, the margin of defeat did surprise me. In my circle of work colleagues and friends, not one thought Corbyn was electable, even the Labour voting ones.

Unfortunately, Corbyn only confirmed he would not fight the next general election. We could have another four years of this pathetic life-long politician at the opposition helm doing even more damage. I doubt he is going to willing handover the reins to a more centrist leader to take them in a new direction. He will want Momentum and the Unions to play a huge part in the election of the next Labour leader.
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