The Politics Thread

[Prufrock]

I don't disagree with the principal of that^, and neither do any of the candidates. In fact that's pretty much exactly what Liz Kendall argued for at the start of the campaign (running a surplus when the economy is booming) and was branded a "pro-austerity Tory" for it.

But Corbyn isn't arguing for reducing a debt of 250% of GDP to 44%, he's arguing for possibly-letting-it-go-up-to-250%-who-cares FROM 85%. During a time where there are admittedly inequality problems and an economy with IMO lots of capacity left in it, but an economic situation that can in no way be described as horrendous by even the standards of 2008, never mind 1945.

And again, Nuneaton isn't going to go for a guy who says f*ck it the size of the national debt isn't important! People are going to ask him how he's going to pay for stuff, and he can't answer, because he won't be able to.

[thebish]

he's arguing for possibly-letting-it-go-up-to-250%-who-cares FROM 85%.

is he?

[Prufrock]

He's saying he doesn't need to cost anything because if we can't afford it, we'll borrow more.

That's a) electoral suicide, and b) awful politics.

Where are we borrowing this money from? And what kind of rates do we think we're getting it at if our response to needing to pay for stuff is "f*ck it we'll borrow more"?

[thebish]

He's saying he doesn't need to cost anything because if we can't afford it, we'll borrow more.

That's a) electoral suicide, and b) awful politics.

Where are we borrowing this money from? And what kind of rates do we think we're getting it at if our response to needing to pay for stuff is "f*ck it we'll borrow more"?

I think I'd liike to hear an actual quote to verify that!

[freeindeed]

He's saying he doesn't need to cost anything because if we can't afford it, we'll borrow more.

That's a) electoral suicide, and b) awful politics.

Where are we borrowing this money from? And what kind of rates do we think we're getting it at if our response to needing to pay for stuff is "f*ck it we'll borrow more"?

I think I'd liike to hear an actual quote to verify that!

Agreed. Where does he say that?

He is committed to reducing the deficit, just not by an arbitrary deadline, and that if the Tories have reduced it he will not reopen it.

What he said was that the debt level is not unprecedented, especially relative to the situation Atlee inherited. He does not say or intend to therefore run a debt level up to that historical high.

[freeindeed]

Here is a brilliant explanation of how the economy really works, why the crash happened, and why it will happen again if we do not regulate the banks.

[freeindeed]

I quite like Corbyn although I suspect his naïve views on migrants being only due to wars and the EU may be a chasm to wide to breech between our views.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33818193

Around 50,000 people arrived in Greece in July alone, the organisation says.
The UNHCR says nearly all new arrivals in Greece are refugees from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Maybe not Corbyn who is naive?

Also for a bit of an international perspective of the scale of the UK problem -
http://gu.com/p/4bbc7?CMP

[freeindeed]

Bradford outdoor meeting today



Leeds this evening



1500 in Norwich yesterday http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/mo ... _1_4182884

[Bruce Rioja]

Bradford outdoor meeting today



Leeds this evening



1500 in Norwich yesterday http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/mo ... _1_4182884

I've played football in front of more, and I was shit! Not hoping to be in charge of Labour!

[freeindeed]

Turning away punters at every single venue. Remind me which other politician has done that?

[Bruce Rioja]

Turning away punters at every single venue. Remind me which other politician has done that?

Needs to get bigger venues then. Bit obvious really! The ones that you're heralding up as like a Hitler rally? Bit shit.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... t-57174161" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Liz Kendall – the leadership challenger seen as being the closest to Blair’s policies - fiercely condemned the idea as a throwback to leftwingers like the late Tony Benn.
“This shows there is nothing new about Jeremy Corbyn’s politics. It is just Bennism reheated, a throwback to the past, not the change we need for our party or our country,” she said.
“Life had moved on from the old clause IV in 1994, let alone 2015. We are a party of the future not a preservation society.”

The bird that signed for the wrong party after one of her girlie nights out is at it again!

[Hoboh]

I quite like Corbyn although I suspect his naïve views on migrants being only due to wars and the EU may be a chasm to wide to breech between our views.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33818193

Around 50,000 people arrived in Greece in July alone, the organisation says.
The UNHCR says nearly all new arrivals in Greece are refugees from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Maybe not Corbyn who is naive?

Also for a bit of an international perspective of the scale of the UK problem -
http://gu.com/p/4bbc7?CMP

Don't talk wet they are fleeing fcuk all, were they being raped, killed or such in Turkey and other 'Islamic' safe countries they are leaving?
Economic migrants and nothing else, that's what they are, exactly the same as the chancers in Calais.
You can stick your 'international prospective' any place you like or do you work off the theory if one sticks his hand in the fire we all do?
Oh hang on, I've just realised that's what socialism is all about, burned hands!

[Hoboh]

More contributions to the UK from the poor oppressed war fleeing migrants!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... alais.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Where's some decent snipers when you need them?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Aided and abetted by a citizen of the former Eastern Europe state of Poland, champions of 'free movement' in the EU!
Now that's 18 they have caught, how many are getting in via hundreds of trucks everyday?
I hope migrants turn up on Cameron's beach in Portugal.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/135 ... wn_centre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mass protest

[bobo the clown]

^^ freak show more like.

I've seem more at the Town Hall steps for the weekly mooning forfeits.

[freeindeed]

Don't talk wet they are fleeing fcuk all, were they being raped, killed or such in Turkey and other 'Islamic' safe countries they are leaving?
Economic migrants and nothing else, that's what they are, exactly the same as the chancers in Calais.
You can stick your 'international prospective' any place you like or do you work off the theory if one sticks his hand in the fire we all do?
Oh hang on, I've just realised that's what socialism is all about, burned hands!

Are you seriously suggesting that out of the hundreds of countries in the world it is a total coincidence that the 50,000 migrants arriving in Greece are arriving from Afghanistan & Syria. Both war-torn directly due to western foreign policy.

"Fleeing feck all" - do you read the news? Hear of Isil??

If you'd read the article, you would have seen that there are 1.6 million refugees in Turkey. Should they all stay there? There are 1.5 million in Lebanon with a population of 4.5million.

Since the Syrian civil war began, Germany has taken in 100,000. We took in 143!!! We received less applications than the rest of Europe. So you are talking horseshit.

Anybody seriously quoting the Dailymail on the subject of Immigration is clearly lacking any critical faculties.

[BWFC_Insane]

Don't talk wet they are fleeing fcuk all, were they being raped, killed or such in Turkey and other 'Islamic' safe countries they are leaving?
Economic migrants and nothing else, that's what they are, exactly the same as the chancers in Calais.
You can stick your 'international prospective' any place you like or do you work off the theory if one sticks his hand in the fire we all do?
Oh hang on, I've just realised that's what socialism is all about, burned hands!

Are you seriously suggesting that out of the hundreds of countries in the world it is a total coincidence that the 50,000 migrants arriving in Greece are arriving from Afghanistan & Syria. Both war-torn directly due to western foreign policy.

"Fleeing feck all" - do you read the news? Hear of Isil??

If you'd read the article, you would have seen that there are 1.6 million refugees in Turkey. Should they all stay there? There are 1.5 million in Lebanon with a population of 4.5million.

Since the Syrian civil war began, Germany has taken in 100,000. We took in 143!!! We received less applications than the rest of Europe. So you are talking horseshit.

Anybody seriously quoting the Dailymail on the subject of Immigration is clearly lacking any critical faculties.

Doubt Dailymail readers are that interrsted in facts or analysis. A few thousand out of millions = to every single asylum seeker wanting to come to Britain. Cos we are too bloody soft, innit.

[bobo the clown]

Meanwhile, in other news ... 'A woman should be made Labour leader', says ex-MP Sian James -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/33840629" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A woman should be 'given a go'. Good, deep thinking.

Sexist cow.

[Beefheart]

I quite like Corbyn although I suspect his naïve views on migrants being only due to wars and the EU may be a chasm to wide to breech between our views.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33818193

Around 50,000 people arrived in Greece in July alone, the organisation says.
The UNHCR says nearly all new arrivals in Greece are refugees from the wars in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Maybe not Corbyn who is naive?

Also for a bit of an international perspective of the scale of the UK problem -
http://gu.com/p/4bbc7?CMP

Might have been some excellent points in that article, but I stopped reading at Owen Jones's face.