The Politics Thread

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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
11
38%
Conservatives
11
38%
Liberal Democrats
2
7%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
10%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:20 pm

jaffka wrote:
It seems that it's only you and freeindeed who actually gives a f**k. So why don't you jog on and do some interesting homework and find out yourself.

You can then post your findings to promote some interesting debate :zzz:
So mighty Jafka, who who takes it upon himself to speak for the public forum, instead of criticising people who are actually contributing to a conversation - why don't you either say something constructive or "jog on" yourself?

Lots of smart arse snipers, who never actually say what they believe in. Criticism is all to easy. If you'd all like your cosy little world weary room back, I'm more than happy to jog off - what do you say? :wink:

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:21 pm

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Shush, apparently no one gives a shit..

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:23 pm

Why Blairites are going hysterical
August 11, 2015
In 1994 Blair took over the Labour party and made it safe for British capitalism. Which is why so many top companies and banks were content to contribute large sums to the party in order to hedge their bets – they gained whichever party won the elections. Up till now they have dominated the Labour party for the last 20 years. Blair’s abiding legacy, apart from the Iraq war, was to abandon the fundamental principles of the party and to assimilate it instead to the Thatcherite ideology of ‘let the markets rule and the State get out of the way’. When Mrs. Thatcher was later asked what was her greatest achievement, she replied without hesitation: ‘New Labour’. And the Daily Telegraph 6 months into Blair’s premiership published a half-page photo of Blair standing in front of a large picture of Thatcher in No.10 with the inscription underneath: ‘To Thatcher, a son’. By accommodating the ruling corporate class the Blairites used the Labour party as their avenue to power, and it’s hardly surprising now that they are in such a state of denial and disbelief at their abrupt fall from power over the last month.

Of course the Blairite faction is sincere in believing that they alone know how things should best be run and that, as Blair himself has constantly reminded us, any millimetre departure from his prescribed course will bring chaos and disaster. Not only does that show their unwillingness to listen (the party was virtually disbanded under Blair into a press release and door-knocking organisation), but it also exposes a deep arrogance about their own invincibility and their contempt for any radicalism from the Left. The writing was already on the wall in Greece, Spain, and Scotland, but still they thought they could muffle dissent and ignore it. It is a lesson in political nemesis.

Of course the Blairites will protest that they, and they alone, won three elections in a row. The truth however is that the Tories threw away the 1997 election rather than that Labour distinctively won it, the second election was marked by stasis after an undistinguished 4 years, and the third saw the loss of 4 million votes after Iraq. They will also appeal to the huge investment in health and education. But a large part of the former was spent on building (fine for the construction industry rather than the essentials of health) and on outsourcing and privatisation (again good for the corporates rather than patients), whilst in the case of the latter there were huge building programmes inaugurating academies and free schools which have never proved their worth and have never been popular.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by jaffka » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:27 pm

^^ were you one of them tw@*s that used to mither folk on the town centre to buy the socialist worker?

Socialism, the politics of envy.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:32 pm

This is a really strange situation. Here you have a supposedly Socialist Party that gets really upset when hundreds and even thousands of people (yes thousands, I’m not exaggerating) flock to hear a Socialist candidate for the leadership give speeches about Socialism and sign up to the Party! This must be the only Socialist Party in the world that doesn’t want new socialist members to join or become supporters!

These are people who left the party decades before, when Blair pulled it too far to the right, plus those people who have never voted, because no party talked about the things that concerned them or offered them a better life and hope for the future. People who had turned to the Greens and even UKIP because their policies appeared to address their concerns when Labour appeared to be trying to out-Tory the Tories.

Only 24.4% of people eligible to vote, actually voted for the Tories. Only 2% of these had previously voted Labour!
41.7% voted Labour/Greens/UKIP but 33.9% didn’t vote for anyone, as they felt no party represented them or was worth voting for.

So tens of thousands have actually joined Labour and others have become Registered Supporters; presumably mainly socialists (otherwise they’d have joined the Tories). Yet the PLP are upset that they’ve joined possibly to vote for the true socialist candidate. Are they stark raving mad!?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:33 pm

jaffka wrote:^^ were you one of them tw@*s that used to mither folk on the town centre to buy the socialist worker?

Socialism, the politics of envy.
Again, another stellar post, full of constructive verve and optimism!

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:36 pm

freeindeed wrote:
jaffka wrote:^^ were you one of them tw@*s that used to mither folk on the town centre to buy the socialist worker?

Socialism, the politics of envy.
Again, another stellar post, full of constructive verve and optimism!
So is that a "yes" or a "no" ?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:01 pm

Huddle..aim..fire..

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:14 pm

"Yess" I'm assuming.

But I'd understand why you'd be embarrassed.

No worries.
Not advocating mass-murder as an entirely positive experience, of course, but it had its moments.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:30 pm

bobo the clown wrote:"Yess" I'm assuming.

But I'd understand why you'd be embarrassed.

No worries.
Your 'understanding' is based on an assumption so no, don't worry

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:44 pm

freeindeed wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:"Yess" I'm assuming.

But I'd understand why you'd be embarrassed.

No worries.
Your 'understanding' is based on an assumption so no, don't worry
Just that you were asked a simple enough question and gave an avoiding answer twice ... three times now. So yes, an assumption but one you are quite capable of confirming or denying.
Not advocating mass-murder as an entirely positive experience, of course, but it had its moments.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:59 pm

I don't care to confirm or deny a question whose purpose was to troll.

You are not Paxman driving home a difficult question.

You are trying to get a rise from someone who doesn't give a shit. Good luck x

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by CrazyHorse » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:27 pm

jaffka isn't the one who's been trolling in this thread.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:30 pm

Why would anyone give a flying f*ck whether someone sold Socialist Worker in their youth?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by KeyserSoze » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:51 pm

Sit down with a cup of bovril, read this and then scroll through the comments.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:16 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:jaffka isn't the one who's been trolling in this thread.
Otherwise known as raising points of discussion. Reading is optional. As is saying something like "please don't post so much about politics in this thread about politics". Rather than "Your mum"

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by CrazyHorse » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:26 pm

I'm a moderator, reading isn't optional. I read every boring post on every boring thread.

And this thread is by far the most boring of all.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Montreal Wanderer » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:12 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:I'm a moderator, reading isn't optional. I read every boring post on every boring thread.

And this thread is by far the most boring of all.
Well, it is now...
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by freeindeed » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:41 pm

Well if a holy moderator says I'm trolling, I guess I'll become less political and leave y'all to it. Thanks for the interesting debate to those who brought it.
Hope you all enjoy our next prime minister and his beard.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:51 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:I'm a moderator, reading isn't optional. I read every boring post on every boring thread.

And this thread is by far the most boring of all.
Gotta love a challenge... :grin:

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