The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ I've no intention of rambling round or repeating all that again, but I will ask: Who mentioned the word "immigration" in the first place? I didn't, John Cleese didn't, and he's so anti "foreigners that he's thinking of living in the Caribbean? No, it you my friend who mentioned it here, and was all the ever-ready racism "accusers" who brought that context in. An observation/remark made by one man..yes, one man, in this great (hypocritical) bastion of free speech in which we live, becomes a subject for every race-card player in the galaxy to howl abuse and point fingers. Gee, I'd really love to bring that "first-stone" mandate into play and watch all those honest, clean-living upright citizens scatter like rats in a fire. What exactly did John Cleese do wrong that has almost ostracised him from society?

The person who raised Cleese was not me. And it was the same person who brought foreigners into it was also not me. So I suggest you check back.

My interest was why does a City having many nationalities make it less English and then secondly as some seem to be suggesting ‘worse’.

That’s all.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Yeah - I feel sorry for us all having to live with some people from other parts of the world.....

Seriously - what does it matter? What difference at all does it make? You get exposed to different foods, cultures, ideas and traditions.

Unless you inherently believe that one race or nationality are superior to others - then what on earth does it matter? You could have a nice German next door or a right bastard of a German. Same with anyone from anywhere.

Well, I for one, don't believe Masai society is set up to maximise the number of theoretical physicists they nurture.
I, for one, respect the monoculture that is Japan.
If London is not English, why should it be the capital of England?
I understand what the immigration ideal is all about, the USA being the ultimate expression on this planet. Personally speaking, I identify with the remnants of the Arapaho, and not with Trump, Clinton, Guiliani et al

On a micro level, would you care if you lived next door to Polish/Italian/Spanish/Indian/Chinese or whatever people...would it make your life worse?

I don't feel it matters where the people come from but who they are. Personally.

On a micro level, no. On a macro level, yes.
When I lived in Japan it was Japanese not a version of New Yoik. I don't want London, Berlin and Copenhagen to merge into one megalopolis of ghettoes, with a slew of foreigners all hailing Uber taxis to bring them the latest fad McDonald's not available in America. Personally.

A lot of that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with immigration. If England was only populated by "white British nationals" you'd still have Uber, the latest McDonalds fad and loads of cultural influences from the USA.

That's some weird conflation of very separate things. Also, I'd like to know what culture is actually supressed? The world changes - Japan has changed and its culture changed massively in the past 50 years. It has certainly by no means been stagnant.

Correct. Japanese culture evolves. It even imports shite like McDonalds: which culture doesn't?
The point though is that it is still Japanese culture, not a Mish mash of other cultures. Multiculturalism is the phoniest shite going, because it's not multi. It's a parallel series of ghettoes.
No thanks.

[TANGODANCER]

Not for Spot's eyes, believers only.

Catholics ever being accused of racialism is a bit of a joke. Jesus was a Jew born in Bethlehem,Jerusalem not Bethnal Green London. He didn't have blue eyes or look like a film star, ( from all accounts) and our bastion of belief earth-wise centres far from Bucks Palace. The Vatican (Italian), and all the miraculous sites of devotion worldwide are outside the metropolis and do not include Old Trafford despite claims to the contrary. Not to bore anybody, but Lourdes (France) Fatima (Portugal) and Knock (Ireland) are the most familiar to us here and nothing miraculous so far has been reported within the Sceptered Isle. ) To be accused of racism towards anyone would deny the very core of Catholic/ Christian religion and be a bit of a joke. There are of course, hypocrites in every religion, but you'll have to take that up with Head Office one day.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah - I feel sorry for us all having to live with some people from other parts of the world.....

Seriously - what does it matter? What difference at all does it make? You get exposed to different foods, cultures, ideas and traditions.

Unless you inherently believe that one race or nationality are superior to others - then what on earth does it matter? You could have a nice German next door or a right bastard of a German. Same with anyone from anywhere.

Well, I for one, don't believe Masai society is set up to maximise the number of theoretical physicists they nurture.
I, for one, respect the monoculture that is Japan.
If London is not English, why should it be the capital of England?
I understand what the immigration ideal is all about, the USA being the ultimate expression on this planet. Personally speaking, I identify with the remnants of the Arapaho, and not with Trump, Clinton, Guiliani et al

On a micro level, would you care if you lived next door to Polish/Italian/Spanish/Indian/Chinese or whatever people...would it make your life worse?

I don't feel it matters where the people come from but who they are. Personally.

On a micro level, no. On a macro level, yes.
When I lived in Japan it was Japanese not a version of New Yoik. I don't want London, Berlin and Copenhagen to merge into one megalopolis of ghettoes, with a slew of foreigners all hailing Uber taxis to bring them the latest fad McDonald's not available in America. Personally.

A lot of that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with immigration. If England was only populated by "white British nationals" you'd still have Uber, the latest McDonalds fad and loads of cultural influences from the USA.

That's some weird conflation of very separate things. Also, I'd like to know what culture is actually supressed? The world changes - Japan has changed and its culture changed massively in the past 50 years. It has certainly by no means been stagnant.

Correct. Japanese culture evolves. It even imports shite like McDonalds: which culture doesn't?
The point though is that it is still Japanese culture, not a Mish mash of other cultures. Multiculturalism is the phoniest shite going, because it's not multi. It's a parallel series of ghettoes.
No thanks.

There are ghettos in Naples, Mumbai and countless other places - it has again, nothing, absolutely nothing to do with multiculturalism.

Everything to do with poverty though.

It really worries me that people actually think you like. Thankfully the generations after us will make the world a better place. I have faith.

[TANGODANCER]

^^
Very Alice in Wonderland. It isn't multiculturalism, immigration, religion or however many descriptions of multisyllabalisms you come up with that's the problem here (or anywhere else for that matter) . Fine words. The correct descriptions are much shorter and simpler: Criminals, Dxck-heads, clowns, drug addicts, alcholics, benefit cheats, non-contributers (whoops, a four syllabler) and a clueless government who don't know where to start with any of it. If the law enforced sentences instead of suspending them we'd need a couple of hundred more prisons to cope ( we can't fund the ones we have except by allowing privatisation -Labour want that scrapped, Tories don't). In short, law and police are seriously restricted in their efforts by policy and cuts. Parliament seem to think fund-raising is the answer, ie, let the public pay. Wonderful.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^
Very Alice in Wonderland. It isn't multiculturalism, immigration, religion or however many descriptions of multisyllabalisms you come up with that's the problem here (or anywhere else for that matter) . Fine words. The correct descriptions are much shorter and simpler: Criminals, Dxck-heads, clowns, drug addicts, alcholics, benefit cheats, non-contributers (whoops, a four syllabler) and a clueless government who don't know where to start with any of it. If the law enforced sentences instead of suspending them we'd need a couple of hundred more prisons to cope ( we can't fund the ones we have except by allowing privatisation -Labour want that scrapped, Tories don't). In short, law and police are seriously restricted in their efforts by policy and cuts. Parliament seem to think fund-raising is the answer, ie, let the public pay. Wonderful.

How on earth are criminals responsible for widespread poverty especially in inner city areas? Tell you what, lets dump you into the Naples Ghetto where you explain to the residents that if they weren't all criminals, alcoholics, benefits cheats and non-contributors they'd all be living in sunny Farnworth. Lets see how that one works out for you.

Its like reading a fecking Daily Mail comments page on here. Bad for mental health to see such horrific and distorted views about the world. Think I'm done.

[TANGODANCER]

^^
Very Alice in Wonderland. It isn't multiculturalism, immigration, religion or however many descriptions of multisyllabalisms you come up with that's the problem here (or anywhere else for that matter) . Fine words. The correct descriptions are much shorter and simpler: Criminals, Dxck-heads, clowns, drug addicts, alcholics, benefit cheats, non-contributers (whoops, a four syllabler) and a clueless government who don't know where to start with any of it. If the law enforced sentences instead of suspending them we'd need a couple of hundred more prisons to cope ( we can't fund the ones we have except by allowing privatisation -Labour want that scrapped, Tories don't). In short, law and police are seriously restricted in their efforts by policy and cuts. Parliament seem to think fund-raising is the answer, ie, let the public pay. Wonderful.

How on earth are criminals responsible for widespread poverty especially in inner city areas? Tell you what, lets dump you into the Naples Ghetto where you explain to the residents that if they weren't all criminals, alcoholics, benefits cheats and non-contributors they'd all be living in sunny Farnworth. Lets see how that one works out for you. Its like reading a fecking Daily Mail comments page on here. Bad for mental health to see such horrific and distorted views about the world. Think I'm done.

Good, because I'm now utterly convinced you haven't a clue what you're talking about. I talk of U.K problems, you ramble about Naples, Mumbai and all points east. Keep preaching and singing your wonderful world songs from your seat in front of a computer but ignoring the very reality you know absolutely nothing about. How many ghettos have you actually lived in, no wait, how many housing estates even? When was the last time you actually had a walk round "sunny Farnworth" (if ever), even Bolton except on a quick dash to Morrisons on a Saturday. Don't give me the world traveller bit when you're always on line being an expert in football, cricket, golf and remaining out of E.U politics. Being moralistic is easy meat in print (I'm a Jane Austen fan, remember), but a little harder in every-day practise. No doubt you'll know the answer and also know that most of the countries' citizens keen to immigrate here aren't in the top ten 25 best free health services in the world. We'd still be the greatest country in the world hands down if other governments worldwide would take on the responsibility of imitating us rather than see their citizens upping stakes and leaving.

Futile arguing is pointless and I don't believe name calling achieves much or ever did, but you should listen occasionally to other views and not be in a rage to be right all the time. I may respect any opinion, but that doesn't mean I agree with them all.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Yeah - I feel sorry for us all having to live with some people from other parts of the world.....

Seriously - what does it matter? What difference at all does it make? You get exposed to different foods, cultures, ideas and traditions.

Unless you inherently believe that one race or nationality are superior to others - then what on earth does it matter? You could have a nice German next door or a right bastard of a German. Same with anyone from anywhere.

Well, I for one, don't believe Masai society is set up to maximise the number of theoretical physicists they nurture.
I, for one, respect the monoculture that is Japan.
If London is not English, why should it be the capital of England?
I understand what the immigration ideal is all about, the USA being the ultimate expression on this planet. Personally speaking, I identify with the remnants of the Arapaho, and not with Trump, Clinton, Guiliani et al

On a micro level, would you care if you lived next door to Polish/Italian/Spanish/Indian/Chinese or whatever people...would it make your life worse?

I don't feel it matters where the people come from but who they are. Personally.

On a micro level, no. On a macro level, yes.
When I lived in Japan it was Japanese not a version of New Yoik. I don't want London, Berlin and Copenhagen to merge into one megalopolis of ghettoes, with a slew of foreigners all hailing Uber taxis to bring them the latest fad McDonald's not available in America. Personally.

A lot of that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with immigration. If England was only populated by "white British nationals" you'd still have Uber, the latest McDonalds fad and loads of cultural influences from the USA.

That's some weird conflation of very separate things. Also, I'd like to know what culture is actually supressed? The world changes - Japan has changed and its culture changed massively in the past 50 years. It has certainly by no means been stagnant.

Correct. Japanese culture evolves. It even imports shite like McDonalds: which culture doesn't?
The point though is that it is still Japanese culture, not a Mish mash of other cultures. Multiculturalism is the phoniest shite going, because it's not multi. It's a parallel series of ghettoes.
No thanks.

There are ghettos in Naples, Mumbai and countless other places - it has again, nothing, absolutely nothing to do with multiculturalism.

Everything to do with poverty though.

It really worries me that people actually think you like. Thankfully the generations after us will make the world a better place. I have faith.

You don't half talk some toss!
Definition: GHETTO: part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups.

So, when I describe London as no longer English, and stuffed full of foreigners, and express the opinion that I don't want my capital city to be a plethora of ghettos hiding under the label of multiculturalism, what do you do?
1. You argue that Naples and Mumbai are the same! Great, just goes to show that Naples and Mumbai are shit too!
2. You argue it has everything to do with poverty! Great again, so your argument is we are turning London into the most poverty ridden city in the world, oh super!

[malcd1]

^^
Very Alice in Wonderland. It isn't multiculturalism, immigration, religion or however many descriptions of multisyllabalisms you come up with that's the problem here (or anywhere else for that matter) . Fine words. The correct descriptions are much shorter and simpler: Criminals, Dxck-heads, clowns, drug addicts, alcholics, benefit cheats, non-contributers (whoops, a four syllabler) and a clueless government who don't know where to start with any of it. If the law enforced sentences instead of suspending them we'd need a couple of hundred more prisons to cope ( we can't fund the ones we have except by allowing privatisation -Labour want that scrapped, Tories don't). In short, law and police are seriously restricted in their efforts by policy and cuts. Parliament seem to think fund-raising is the answer, ie, let the public pay. Wonderful.

How on earth are criminals responsible for widespread poverty especially in inner city areas? Tell you what, lets dump you into the Naples Ghetto where you explain to the residents that if they weren't all criminals, alcoholics, benefits cheats and non-contributors they'd all be living in sunny Farnworth. Lets see how that one works out for you.

Its like reading a fecking Daily Mail comments page on here. Bad for mental health to see such horrific and distorted views about the world. Think I'm done.

Your intolerance of other peoples views and then your condescending attitude won't be missed by many. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I am being told by compadres in Peterborough that the Brexit Party is neck and neck with Labour, with Liberals in a distant third according to a doorstep survey they've conducted over the weekend [NB Peterborough is 203rd on the interim list of the Brexit Party target seats].
That's pretty remarkable for a political party just eight weeks old, even in a protest vote in a bye-election...

Maybe the long heralded demise of the two party system is actually here.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Oh, and just to set the record straight:
With 3,082,000 residents born abroad in 2014. London has the largest population number of foreign-born residents of any UK city.
According to the Indian Bureau of Immigration, less than 20,000 foreign born residents out of the 24 million residents of Mumbai in 2019.
Naples is Italy's third largest city, but the only city in Europe whose population is decreasing. The last census was in 2011 with just 83,000 foreign born residents.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Just Soubry and four others you've never heard of now...

Deepvoiced sourpus announces her disappointment:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... a-lib-dems

They won't be changing the face of British politics as we know it in Peterborough, that's a fact.

Anna Soubry is Change UK's new leader... Now there's a surprise

[Harry Genshaw]

Just Soubry and four others you've never heard of now...

Deepvoiced sourpus announces her disappointment:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... a-lib-dems

They won't be changing the face of British politics as we know it in Peterborough, that's a fact.

Anna Soubry is Change UK's new leader... Now there's a surprise

Just shows what a remarkable job Farage has done.

For all Change UK'S early optimism and publicity, they'll become a lesser footnote in political history than the Natural Law party

[malcd1]

Just Soubry and four others you've never heard of now...

Deepvoiced sourpus announces her disappointment:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... a-lib-dems

They won't be changing the face of British politics as we know it in Peterborough, that's a fact.

Anna Soubry is Change UK's new leader... Now there's a surprise

Just shows what a remarkable job Farage has done.

For all Change UK'S early optimism and publicity, they'll become a lesser footnote in political history than the Natural Law party

If the Conservatives had actually tried to leave and Labour not sat on the fence, both the Brexit Party and Lib Dems would be just as insignificant as Change UK and UKIP. We would still be in a mess but there would only be two main parties arguing who's caused the mess. Instead, we have a predominantly Leave party with a remain leader (May) and a predominantly Remain party with a Brexit leader (Corbyn) playing politics while the country is a laughing stock. We are still screwed and no closer to a resolution.

[Hoboh]

Just Soubry and four others you've never heard of now...

Deepvoiced sourpus announces her disappointment:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... a-lib-dems

They won't be changing the face of British politics as we know it in Peterborough, that's a fact.

Anna Soubry is Change UK's new leader... Now there's a surprise

Just shows what a remarkable job Farage has done.

For all Change UK'S early optimism and publicity, they'll become a lesser footnote in political history than the Natural Law party

Chancers Harry who thought they were on a roll until they looked closely at each other.

[Hoboh]

Wonder what happened to the biggest protest in history against Trump?
Ahhh was a school day and most of the usual suspects couldn't attend.

[Enoch]

If the Conservatives had actually tried to leave and Labour not sat on the fence, both the Brexit Party and Lib Dems would be just as insignificant

I spotted the deliberate mistake, malc.


#changefuckall

[Harry Genshaw]

Wonder what happened to the biggest protest in history against Trump?
Ahhh was a school day and most of the usual suspects couldn't attend.

Trumps as mad as a box of frogs but he doesn't half crack me up. His responses to the protests were a cross between delusion and great comedy!

He's not half as mad as those loons that travel miles to protest against his visit though. Some folk have waay too much time on their hands

[Enoch]

He's not half as mad as those loons that travel miles to protest against his visit though.

I concur, Harry.

Wonder if any members from here turned out.

[Harry Genshaw]

He's not half as mad as those loons that travel miles to protest against his visit though.

I concur, Harry.

Wonder if any members from here turned out.

aye come on Spotty. Own up!