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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
13
41%
Conservatives
12
38%
Liberal Democrats
2
6%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
9%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
Total votes: 32

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Prufrock » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:49 pm

Cannot believe we've suffered through Len all these years on TV while he's been out there!
In a world that has decided
That it's going to lose its mind
Be more kind, my friends, try to be more kind.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:05 pm

Now that it seems that the electorate is ready to accept the unmitigated disaster and failure of Tory economic policy can one of the other lot please offer a credible and sensible and balanced economic policy.

One that acknowledges that free market deregulation and boom and bust economics have utterly failed and that trickle down economics are a myth. The richest one percent are richer by the minute yet in relative terms almost everyone else is poorer.

We need to reassess how an economy works for all of us. Invests in our public services and stops treating them like expendable commodities. One that builds a genuine high skills and high levels of innovation economy fit to rise to global challenges we now face. And finally one that accepts and integrates us with the rest of the world in collaboration and not in competition.

It’s fine starting on some basics and principles but you have to offer something that can eventually achieve the above that is realistic and also ambitious.

For too long only speculators and gamblers have profited and the actual production is done by those who are becoming worse off by the day. We should reward success when it’s built on innovation and production and contributes to the worlds problems. We should not though be encouraging only those in the financial markets or speculation as is the case now. Those people do not help us.

It’s time for change.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:11 pm

Insaney for P.M. :oyea:
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:09 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:15 am
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:18 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:31 pm
Amongst all the property angst, this bloody shower are pressing ahead with their refugees to Rwanda policy. Truly despicable and another nail in the coffin of the UKs standing around the world.
How many are you taking in pal?
To paraphrase Mick Lynch;

"Is this the level of debate we're at?" :D
No it's the truth, you want them you pay and keep them, your bleeding heart but just realise with all the crap at home there are an awful lot who don't think like that and whose money and grandkids future they would prefer you not to spend.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:29 pm

Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:09 pm
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:15 am
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:18 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:31 pm
Amongst all the property angst, this bloody shower are pressing ahead with their refugees to Rwanda policy. Truly despicable and another nail in the coffin of the UKs standing around the world.
How many are you taking in pal?
To paraphrase Mick Lynch;

"Is this the level of debate we're at?" :D
No it's the truth, you want them you pay and keep them, your bleeding heart but just realise with all the crap at home there are an awful lot who don't think like that and whose money and grandkids future they would prefer you not to spend.
We're not spending it. The govt you voted for is and Brexit will sort it all now we control our own borders.🤣🤣🤣

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Harry Genshaw » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:11 pm

Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:09 pm
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:15 am
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:18 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:31 pm
Amongst all the property angst, this bloody shower are pressing ahead with their refugees to Rwanda policy. Truly despicable and another nail in the coffin of the UKs standing around the world.
How many are you taking in pal?
To paraphrase Mick Lynch;

"Is this the level of debate we're at?" :D
No it's the truth, you want them you pay and keep them, your bleeding heart but just realise with all the crap at home there are an awful lot who don't think like that and whose money and grandkids future they would prefer you not to spend.
Ahh Hoboh. Don't ever change, you Tory nutjob :wink:

Immigration provides a net economic benefit doesn't it? I'm all for throwing the doors open. Get all those employment vacancies filled, the service industries and public services back up and running. That should secure your grandkids future.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:15 pm

We'll soon have crops perishing in the fields again. Think on.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:19 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:29 pm
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:09 pm
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:15 am
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:18 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:31 pm
Amongst all the property angst, this bloody shower are pressing ahead with their refugees to Rwanda policy. Truly despicable and another nail in the coffin of the UKs standing around the world.
How many are you taking in pal?
To paraphrase Mick Lynch;

"Is this the level of debate we're at?" :D
No it's the truth, you want them you pay and keep them, your bleeding heart but just realise with all the crap at home there are an awful lot who don't think like that and whose money and grandkids future they would prefer you not to spend.
We're not spending it. The govt you voted for is and Brexit will sort it all now we control our own borders.🤣🤣🤣
Presumably your tongue is so far in your cheek it's hurting.
Oh I agree it is all down to Johnson and 211 other idiots why we are were we are but there are those members of the legal system, dodgy 'charities' people supporting migrants who are okay as long as they ain't in the Cotswolds etc. also at fault over our borders.
The Rwanda debacle is purely down to a lazy government with an 80 (or was) majority who could have changed the law and the legal aid system before embarking on yet another money wasting scheme, not Brexit.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:21 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:15 pm
We'll soon have crops perishing in the fields again. Think on.
Reckon the boat people will pick it all Bruce, seriously?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:25 pm

Harry, in the next couple of decades automation and AI will be filling most job roles except low skill ones that the cost of investment will rule out.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:37 pm

Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:19 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:29 pm
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:09 pm
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:15 am
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:18 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:31 pm
Amongst all the property angst, this bloody shower are pressing ahead with their refugees to Rwanda policy. Truly despicable and another nail in the coffin of the UKs standing around the world.
How many are you taking in pal?
To paraphrase Mick Lynch;

"Is this the level of debate we're at?" :D
No it's the truth, you want them you pay and keep them, your bleeding heart but just realise with all the crap at home there are an awful lot who don't think like that and whose money and grandkids future they would prefer you not to spend.
We're not spending it. The govt you voted for is and Brexit will sort it all now we control our own borders.🤣🤣🤣
Presumably your tongue is so far in your cheek it's hurting.
Oh I agree it is all down to Johnson and 211 other idiots why we are were we are but there are those members of the legal system, dodgy 'charities' people supporting migrants who are okay as long as they ain't in the Cotswolds etc. also at fault over our borders.
The Rwanda debacle is purely down to a lazy government with an 80 (or was) majority who could have changed the law and the legal aid system before embarking on yet another money wasting scheme, not Brexit.
Glad we agree, you can stop blaming Harry and put the blame where it correctly lies (with the people in Government)

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:11 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:37 pm
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:19 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:29 pm
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:09 pm
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:15 am
Hoboh wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:18 am
Harry Genshaw wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:31 pm
Amongst all the property angst, this bloody shower are pressing ahead with their refugees to Rwanda policy. Truly despicable and another nail in the coffin of the UKs standing around the world.
How many are you taking in pal?
To paraphrase Mick Lynch;

"Is this the level of debate we're at?" :D
No it's the truth, you want them you pay and keep them, your bleeding heart but just realise with all the crap at home there are an awful lot who don't think like that and whose money and grandkids future they would prefer you not to spend.
We're not spending it. The govt you voted for is and Brexit will sort it all now we control our own borders.🤣🤣🤣
Presumably your tongue is so far in your cheek it's hurting.
Oh I agree it is all down to Johnson and 211 other idiots why we are were we are but there are those members of the legal system, dodgy 'charities' people supporting migrants who are okay as long as they ain't in the Cotswolds etc. also at fault over our borders.
The Rwanda debacle is purely down to a lazy government with an 80 (or was) majority who could have changed the law and the legal aid system before embarking on yet another money wasting scheme, not Brexit.
Glad we agree, you can stop blaming Harry and put the blame where it correctly lies (with the people in Government)
In fairness the Conservative government of 12 and a half years are blaming everyone but themselves for the state of the country.

So it’s probably a disease that is catching.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:13 am

I wasn't 'blaming' Harry Worthy merely saying if he feels so bad about 15 coming on 30 year old single males who are fleeing supposed war zones, have no money yet pay thousands to people smugglers, suddenly turn gay as advised by the legal turds to avoid being sent home because of persecution then fine, house and fund them.
But no, these 'good' folk tell everyone it's their duty to spend millions putting them in hotels, paying for interpreters, giving free access to an already overstretched health service, pushing local authorities to provide priority housing to the detriment of people either born here or legally here.
In a nutshell legally is the optimum word, no war in France nor any other EU countries they have passed through, that is what really narks, they are not our responsibility, merely freeloaders, even saint Big ears crisp head got shut as soon as.
I believe a lot of the Ukrainians who genuinely fled a war torn country are starting to return, genuine refugees not p*ss takers, something I have no problem us helping out with.
Similar problems happened with some arriving from certain EU countries, not skilled and taken advantage of by despicable employers, they used our services but contributed little. Mass uncontrolled migration does not work.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:01 am

The solution to the problem that the tw^ts in charge claim is a problem is quite simple.

Provide accessible, safe routes to make a claim for asylum that doesn't take an excessive amount of time to process.

Those that meet the criteria (whatever the government decide it is) are let in, those that don't are turned away.

My understanding is the Tories have made it all but impossible to safely apply for asylum, forcing desperate people to make desperate choices. We don't have an immigration problem in the UK, we have government problem and a media problem. The 3rd issue is a sizeable, completely gullible portion of the population believing what they choose to believe because it fits with their own prejudices.

We accept a pitiful number of asylum seekers compared to less wealthy countries, and those we do let in are subject to awful treatment. Fecking shameful.

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Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:09 am

Hoboh wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:13 am
I wasn't 'blaming' Harry Worthy merely saying if he feels so bad about 15 coming on 30 year old single males who are fleeing supposed war zones, have no money yet pay thousands to people smugglers, suddenly turn gay as advised by the legal turds to avoid being sent home because of persecution then fine, house and fund them.
But no, these 'good' folk tell everyone it's their duty to spend millions putting them in hotels, paying for interpreters, giving free access to an already overstretched health service, pushing local authorities to provide priority housing to the detriment of people either born here or legally here.
In a nutshell legally is the optimum word, no war in France nor any other EU countries they have passed through, that is what really narks, they are not our responsibility, merely freeloaders, even saint Big ears crisp head got shut as soon as.
I believe a lot of the Ukrainians who genuinely fled a war torn country are starting to return, genuine refugees not p*ss takers, something I have no problem us helping out with.
Similar problems happened with some arriving from certain EU countries, not skilled and taken advantage of by despicable employers, they used our services but contributed little. Mass uncontrolled migration does not work.
All in our control now we have control of our own borders and laws. People have lots of opinions where we should spend money, but they can't actually spend any of it. For any of the things you cite. Only the government can and does. So get bashing the government.

Whilst we're on the topic, don't forget we're already 85 million Turkish people to the good now we're out of the EU. We'd have been pretty full with all them here already. Bask in that great victory, and we'll all take a moment to reflect how Hobes spearheaded the saving of our grandkids.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:44 am

Meanwhile, after two thousand calendar years practise, we still can't get it right.

Well, I suppose badger baiting, cock fighting and fox-hunting are finally being addressed, but the human problems, well, things like politicians getting drunk at garden parties and who should get Knighthoods etc , they'll take time. Might be worth mentioning that the root causes of all this international circus originate with countries that are still fighting and bombing each other in the struggles for greed and power. ( There are good examples happening at all points of the compass as we speak even if ours are more local, like where "no fishing" areas apply) If they all got their priorities right; the big picture it's laughingly termed, Britain might actually not look so bad. Just thought I'd mention it...Maybe we should start all over again. Anybody got any conch shells?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:04 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:01 am
The solution to the problem that the tw^ts in charge claim is a problem is quite simple.

Provide accessible, safe routes to make a claim for asylum that doesn't take an excessive amount of time to process.

Those that meet the criteria (whatever the government decide it is) are let in, those that don't are turned away.

My understanding is the Tories have made it all but impossible to safely apply for asylum, forcing desperate people to make desperate choices. We don't have an immigration problem in the UK, we have government problem and a media problem. The 3rd issue is a sizeable, completely gullible portion of the population believing what they choose to believe because it fits with their own prejudices.

We accept a pitiful number of asylum seekers compared to less wealthy countries, and those we do let in are subject to awful treatment. Fecking shameful.
All of this. If we offer safe and controlled routes we can genuinely then say the channel crossings are exploitative and we could and should be working with France and the EU to stop them. But we deny legal routes then suggest anyone taking illegal ones should be sent to Rwanda at huge taxpayer cost. But the only reason that’s a policy is to dogwhistle the racists. It’s simple as that.

The Tories don’t care if a single person ever makes it there they just want to appease their nationalist voter base. And drive a wedge through more progressive liberal folk. It’s appalling at best criminal at worst.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:49 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:04 pm
Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:01 am
The solution to the problem that the tw^ts in charge claim is a problem is quite simple.

Provide accessible, safe routes to make a claim for asylum that doesn't take an excessive amount of time to process.

Those that meet the criteria (whatever the government decide it is) are let in, those that don't are turned away.

My understanding is the Tories have made it all but impossible to safely apply for asylum, forcing desperate people to make desperate choices. We don't have an immigration problem in the UK, we have government problem and a media problem. The 3rd issue is a sizeable, completely gullible portion of the population believing what they choose to believe because it fits with their own prejudices.

We accept a pitiful number of asylum seekers compared to less wealthy countries, and those we do let in are subject to awful treatment. Fecking shameful.
All of this. If we offer safe and controlled routes we can genuinely then say the channel crossings are exploitative and we could and should be working with France and the EU to stop them. But we deny legal routes then suggest anyone taking illegal ones should be sent to Rwanda at huge taxpayer cost. But the only reason that’s a policy is to dogwhistle the racists. It’s simple as that.

The Tories don’t care if a single person ever makes it there they just want to appease their nationalist voter base. And drive a wedge through more progressive liberal folk. It’s appalling at best criminal at worst.
So you are yet another one then!
No reasonable argument so hey let's chuck in the word racist, wtf has that got to do with illegal immigrants?
There are and were illegals from European countries when we were in the EU Albanians for one.
There are legal ways to settle in other countries, okay maybe long winded but are they any different from Australia, the USA, Canada, Spain etc. etc? But no, any suggestion we should be doing similar is being a racist, go boil your bloody head pal.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:09 pm

Hoboh wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:49 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:04 pm
Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:01 am
The solution to the problem that the tw^ts in charge claim is a problem is quite simple.

Provide accessible, safe routes to make a claim for asylum that doesn't take an excessive amount of time to process.

Those that meet the criteria (whatever the government decide it is) are let in, those that don't are turned away.

My understanding is the Tories have made it all but impossible to safely apply for asylum, forcing desperate people to make desperate choices. We don't have an immigration problem in the UK, we have government problem and a media problem. The 3rd issue is a sizeable, completely gullible portion of the population believing what they choose to believe because it fits with their own prejudices.

We accept a pitiful number of asylum seekers compared to less wealthy countries, and those we do let in are subject to awful treatment. Fecking shameful.
All of this. If we offer safe and controlled routes we can genuinely then say the channel crossings are exploitative and we could and should be working with France and the EU to stop them. But we deny legal routes then suggest anyone taking illegal ones should be sent to Rwanda at huge taxpayer cost. But the only reason that’s a policy is to dogwhistle the racists. It’s simple as that.

The Tories don’t care if a single person ever makes it there they just want to appease their nationalist voter base. And drive a wedge through more progressive liberal folk. It’s appalling at best criminal at worst.
So you are yet another one then!
No reasonable argument so hey let's chuck in the word racist, wtf has that got to do with illegal immigrants?
There are and were illegals from European countries when we were in the EU Albanians for one.
There are legal ways to settle in other countries, okay maybe long winded but are they any different from Australia, the USA, Canada, Spain etc. etc? But no, any suggestion we should be doing similar is being a racist, go boil your bloody head pal.
Can you explain the legal route for a Syrian or Afghan refugee? And explain why we aren’t coming close to taking even a tiny proportion of our share compared to other countries we are supposedly in the same league as?

The point is the policy is only designed to appeal to racists and the far right. It’s a wedge issue. They want the outrage and to create the headlines that fuel further outrage. It’s not a policy that will do or achieve anything else.

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Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:18 pm

We all pay tax (assume most folks on here) Hobes. I look at your opinions as being indicative of what you'd want your contribution to get spent on. That might be a different set of things that I want mine spent on.

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