The Politics Thread

[Prufrock]

I have no qualms at all about that story in isolation. 500k isn't even a rounding error in govt finances. She's the foreign secretary of a rich nation. I think we should have a govt plane and I'd be fine for her to use it.

But if you're going to spend 15 years blaming a global financial crisis on profligate public spending then... LOL.

I wonder who said this is 2007:

“Every public sector worker should feel personal responsibility for the money they spend and the money they save.

“They should spend taxpayers’ money with at least the care they would give to their own. This change of mindset would be reflected in everyday changes such as travelling by economy rather than business class.”

[boltonboris]

I have no qualms at all about that story in isolation. 500k isn't even a rounding error in govt finances. She's the foreign secretary of a rich nation. I think we should have a govt plane and I'd be fine for her to use it.

But if you're going to spend 15 years blaming a global financial crisis on profligate public spending then... LOL.

I wonder who said this is 2007:

“Every public sector worker should feel personal responsibility for the money they spend and the money they save.

“They should spend taxpayers’ money with at least the care they would give to their own. This change of mindset would be reflected in everyday changes such as travelling by economy rather than business class.”

She's cancelled scheduled TV appointments today apparently

This after she insisted a meeting was held at a restaurant that has a £3000 team lunch menu and would not listen to anybody who had an alternative/cheaper place to meet

[BWFC_Insane]

On this plane story. Is that how much the fuel and staff costs were for the trip? Or is it accounting for the plane too. I mean they already own the plane (though that’s another gross misuse of our money in itself).

On partygate….I don’t really like the whole ‘it’s a cover up angle’.

But let’s look at the evidence…

Met - we don’t investigate retrospective crimes… lol
Met - we will have a look if Sue’s report turns much up
Met - ok we will have a look as it does look like crimes have been committed but report can crack on
Met - actually hang about you can’t report on stuff we are investigating.

And in that timeline just before the latest we were told the report was ready to go and BAD for Johnson.

I keep trying and trying. But how is the authoritarian, party state control element of this government any different to Nazi Germany? I get they aren’t going to shoot folk (yet). But they want control over the media, courts, and seemingly are chums with met police too.

The only way this can be sorted out now is people on the streets and that won’t happen.

How has it come to this?

[Prufrock]

Yeah that one I thought was much more telling. I don't think govt business should be limited to the maccies saver menu but that's far past the "don't take the piss" line, and then some.

Meanwhile in offices it's no free tea, coffee, even milk. The budget for social stuff including Christmas parties is exactly £0.

[Prufrock]

On this plane story. Is that how much the fuel and staff costs were for the trip? Or is it accounting for the plane too. I mean they already own the plane (though that’s another gross misuse of our money in itself).

On partygate….I don’t really like the whole ‘it’s a cover up angle’.

But let’s look at the evidence…

Met - we don’t investigate retrospective crimes… lol
Met - we will have a look if Sue’s report turns much up
Met - ok we will have a look as it does look like crimes have been committed but report can crack on
Met - actually hang about you can’t report on stuff we are investigating.

And in that timeline just before the latest we were told the report was ready to go and BAD for Johnson.

I keep trying and trying. But how is the authoritarian, party state control element of this government any different to Nazi Germany? I get they aren’t going to shoot folk (yet). But they want control over the media, courts, and seemingly are chums with met police too.

The only way this can be sorted out now is people on the streets and that won’t happen.

How has it come to this?

Jesus wept man.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah that one I thought was much more telling. I don't think govt business should be limited to the maccies saver menu but that's far past the "don't take the piss" line, and then some.

Meanwhile in offices it's no free tea, coffee, even milk. The budget for social stuff including Christmas parties is exactly £0.

These are the same knuts who will complain about NHS managers on a fraction of their salary who have no expenses and work twice as hard as they do. It’s the hypocrisy that gets me.

[Prufrock]

Yeah that one I thought was much more telling. I don't think govt business should be limited to the maccies saver menu but that's far past the "don't take the piss" line, and then some.

Meanwhile in offices it's no free tea, coffee, even milk. The budget for social stuff including Christmas parties is exactly £0.

These are the same knuts who will complain about NHS managers on a fraction of their salary who have no expenses and work twice as hard as they do. It’s the hypocrisy that gets me.

The NHS stuff always baffles me. Drugs don't buy themselves, rotas don't write themselves. Do you want trained medical staff (of whom we don't have enough to start with) taking time out of treating patients to do it or do you want specialists?

Not to say there is no waste but the angle which implies it's a travesty that non-medical staff exist is mad.

[KeyserSoze]

On this plane story. Is that how much the fuel and staff costs were for the trip? Or is it accounting for the plane too. I mean they already own the plane (though that’s another gross misuse of our money in itself).

On partygate….I don’t really like the whole ‘it’s a cover up angle’.

But let’s look at the evidence…

Met - we don’t investigate retrospective crimes… lol
Met - we will have a look if Sue’s report turns much up
Met - ok we will have a look as it does look like crimes have been committed but report can crack on
Met - actually hang about you can’t report on stuff we are investigating.

And in that timeline just before the latest we were told the report was ready to go and BAD for Johnson.

I keep trying and trying. But how is the authoritarian, party state control element of this government any different to Nazi Germany? I get they aren’t going to shoot folk (yet). But they want control over the media, courts, and seemingly are chums with met police too.

The only way this can be sorted out now is people on the streets and that won’t happen.

How has it come to this?

Take the day off, chief.

[boltonboris]

He can't have long left now, can he? Dick's said that there's enough evidence of No.10 shenanigans for The Met to launch an inquiry. When's Gray's report due out?
Starmer wasted all six of his questions at last week's PMQs - and him a lawyer.

This worries me. The police investigation will be an absolute sham and when the lying, crooked Met inevitably say "nothing to see here, the honourable man did nothing wrong" that will be the end of it and it can't be spoken of again

We'll see how much he's gotten his own way, by how much a smarmy cvnt he's being at PMQ's in about 87 minutes time

Not exactly Nostradamus, but could see this coming a mile off

[Worthy4England]

I wanna know, if there was cheese, wine and parties on the plane...I think he'd actually be making a big mistake if this was swept. I don't think many would forget. They'll forget things like a £10 benefits cut, when they're not on benefits, but this one a lot trickier.

[BWFC_Insane]

On this plane story. Is that how much the fuel and staff costs were for the trip? Or is it accounting for the plane too. I mean they already own the plane (though that’s another gross misuse of our money in itself).

On partygate….I don’t really like the whole ‘it’s a cover up angle’.

But let’s look at the evidence…

Met - we don’t investigate retrospective crimes… lol
Met - we will have a look if Sue’s report turns much up
Met - ok we will have a look as it does look like crimes have been committed but report can crack on
Met - actually hang about you can’t report on stuff we are investigating.

And in that timeline just before the latest we were told the report was ready to go and BAD for Johnson.

I keep trying and trying. But how is the authoritarian, party state control element of this government any different to Nazi Germany? I get they aren’t going to shoot folk (yet). But they want control over the media, courts, and seemingly are chums with met police too.

The only way this can be sorted out now is people on the streets and that won’t happen.

How has it come to this?

Jesus wept man.

You don’t think their desire to control the courts, media, ban protests, stitch up this investigation is sinister?

You have them threatening channel 4 who aren’t even publically funded. I was talking about one party state control not the other elements.

I think there are worrying similarities.

Nadine Dorries is wheeled out to spout some utter nonsense which amounts to complete propaganda.

[Hoboh]

On this plane story. Is that how much the fuel and staff costs were for the trip? Or is it accounting for the plane too. I mean they already own the plane (though that’s another gross misuse of our money in itself).

On partygate….I don’t really like the whole ‘it’s a cover up angle’.

But let’s look at the evidence…

Met - we don’t investigate retrospective crimes… lol
Met - we will have a look if Sue’s report turns much up
Met - ok we will have a look as it does look like crimes have been committed but report can crack on
Met - actually hang about you can’t report on stuff we are investigating.

And in that timeline just before the latest we were told the report was ready to go and BAD for Johnson.

I keep trying and trying. But how is the authoritarian, party state control element of this government any different to Nazi Germany? I get they aren’t going to shoot folk (yet). But they want control over the media, courts, and seemingly are chums with met police too.

The only way this can be sorted out now is people on the streets and that won’t happen.

How has it come to this?

Jesus wept man.

You don’t think their desire to control the courts, media, ban protests, stitch up this investigation is sinister?

You have them threatening channel 4 who aren’t even publically funded. I was talking about one party state control not the other elements.

I think there are worrying similarities.

Nadine Dorries is wheeled out to spout some utter nonsense which amounts to complete propaganda.

The fact folk like Katie Price and a whole host of others are not behind bars means someone has to get a grip of the courts.
Why the hell should you, me, or anyone who wants feck all to do with the BBC be forced to pay for It, hardly a critical, national interest is It?
The right to protest is one thing the right to riot and cause criminal damage or disrupt the life of others is another.
You are 100% correct about useless Dorries.

[TANGODANCER]

He can't have long left now, can he? Dick's said that there's enough evidence of No.10 shenanigans for The Met to launch an inquiry. When's Gray's report due out?
Starmer wasted all six of his questions at last week's PMQs - and him a lawyer.

This worries me. The police investigation will be an absolute sham and when the lying, crooked Met inevitably say "nothing to see here, the honourable man did nothing wrong" that will be the end of it and it can't be spoken of again

We'll see how much he's gotten his own way, by how much a smarmy cvnt he's being at PMQ's in about 87 minutes time

Not exactly Nostradamus, but could see this coming a mile off

And meanwhile, in a field near Runnymede, voices were raised in discontent..

[LeverEnd]

He can't have long left now, can he? Dick's said that there's enough evidence of No.10 shenanigans for The Met to launch an inquiry. When's Gray's report due out?
Starmer wasted all six of his questions at last week's PMQs - and him a lawyer.

This worries me. The police investigation will be an absolute sham and when the lying, crooked Met inevitably say "nothing to see here, the honourable man did nothing wrong" that will be the end of it and it can't be spoken of again

We'll see how much he's gotten his own way, by how much a smarmy cvnt he's being at PMQ's in about 87 minutes time

Not exactly Nostradamus, but could see this coming a mile off

And meanwhile, in a field near Runnymede, voices were raised in discontent..

Went there once. It's literally just a field. I don't know what I was expecting.

[Hoboh]

Oh aren't we happy we no longer have Sovereigns and Barons taxing us to the hilt now that we have democratically elected government that taxes us to the hilt.

[Worthy4England]

On the edge of my seat, waiting to hear lots of people did things wrong, but none of them were me, at 15:30...

[jimbo]

On the edge of my seat, waiting to hear lots of people did things wrong, but none of them were me, at 15:30...

‘It has highlighted behaviours at times were not up to standard by members of the team. There is of course an ongoing police investigation so I can not comment further, and I must await the results of this before acting on any of the issues raised. Now it’s time to level up. Something about Vaccines. Unlock the Brexit benefits.

[BWFC_Insane]

I love how they are like a stuck record. Whenever they are in trouble revert to ‘Get Brexit done’. Been done for over two years and to my knowledge we are still flushing turds down our own rivers as a result, have huge queues at Dover and have the worst cost of living crisis in a generation. And to pay for the NHS we have, yep you guessed it, not a bus promise but a tax rise.

There was a perfect metaphor for Brexit Britain as a Tory MP went for a walk to inspect the queues and truck stop facilities on the Dover approach and on doing so managed to step into some actual human excrement discarded on the pavement. True story.

Brexit Britain folks. Isn’t it great. At least we might get some cheap shoes according to Rees Mogg….in 59 years….

[Worthy4England]

Not sure there's quite enough there to hang the fcuker...

[BWFC_Insane]

Not sure there's quite enough there to hang the fcuker...

He’s being investigated by the police for a number of incidents that broke laws his government introduced. That’s now confirmed. No PM in history would come close to surviving that alone.

So the only issue is the Tory party who only care for their own self preservation are the only ones who can get rid of him.

But I do think looking at polls, and the fact we are in an incredibly unusual position of LOTO having a sizeable lead for best PM - it would be very very hard for the Tories to win with him in charge. Their problem is there is nobody else. Sunak not popular with their members. Truss discredited. Tugenhat put his name forwards…he’s one of the good ones…but nobody knows who he is….