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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
12
40%
Conservatives
11
37%
Liberal Democrats
2
7%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
10%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
Total votes: 30

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:51 am

Gary the Enfield wrote:I met Andy Burnham on the tube yesterday. He has a very red nose. Wished him luck in the campaign.

Can someone explain why, now the candidates have been chosen, it's going to take 6 weeks for those eligible to vote for their choice? Or is this campaign time with a vote at the end?

the candidates were chosen back in june... the deadline that just passed was about becoming a member/affiliate member/whatever and being eligible to vote so that then the ballot papers could be sent out... we are still in the campaigning period..

when the NEC announced the timetable, there were plenty who asked why it had to drag on into september... you're certainly not alone in that bemusement! 8)
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:11 am

from a while ago now - but...

HUGE headline tiny apology..

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:06 am

thebish wrote:
Gary the Enfield wrote:Can someone explain why, now the candidates have been chosen, it's going to take 6 weeks for those eligible to vote for their choice? Or is this campaign time with a vote at the end?
the candidates were chosen back in june... the deadline that just passed was about becoming a member/affiliate member/whatever and being eligible to vote so that then the ballot papers could be sent out... we are still in the campaigning period..

when the NEC announced the timetable, there were plenty who asked why it had to drag on into september... you're certainly not alone in that bemusement! 8)
Nowt wrong with big red noses Gary. What are you suggesting ? Clownism needs rooting out.

The 'vacancy' arose following the resignation very soon after the May election. It was a party decision not to rush things and which means they were hindered by the impending holiday period when Parliament closes down for 3 months.

The actual voting period, once all else is done, is inevitably a bit drawn out due to being a postal ballot.

But the real drag was because it was decided to announce the winner at or around the Party Conference period. Understandable but a bit desifned for drama. So the opening and closing dates were always going to be too far apart to make it seem swish.

They therefore had loads of time for nominations, those who got 35 MP's being eligible to go forward and in that time encourage more & more potential voters to sign up.

Once, from today, voting papers go out with a deadline for return and then secret counting (by, I assume, the Electoral Reform Society? ) for the announcement at Conference a person may vote and pop the envelope into the post at any time in the next couple or so weeks.

It all makes perfect .... protracted ... sense if you accept the original premise of not wanting to rush things. It could be argued that it would have been better to get the new guy in and settled so they 'own' the Conference but that wasn't the preference.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:53 am

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Oh dear, the victim card, next gender, thank God she cannot get a three card trick.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Prufrock » Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:57 am

Yeah what a cow!

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:59 pm

Kezia Dugdale has won the Scottish Labour party leadership contest

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if Corbyn won nationally, that would do interesting things in scotland for those who fled to the SNP because they judged that the SNP had stolen Labour's clothes...

dunno what Corbyn's (or the other candidates) stance is on the relative independence of the scottish labour party...

figting the tories in England and the SNP in scotland has recently been a bit of a balancing act - one which scots labour thought was not tilted in their favour...
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:20 am

If this leadership election wasn't all about the me, me, me show and the right of the party so worried about Corbyn, surely Kendall and Balls would step down to let Burnham have a fair crack?

Neither of those two stand a chance and are divisive and splitting the party more than Corbyn.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:53 am

Hoboh wrote:If this leadership election wasn't all about the me, me, me show and the right of the party so worried about Corbyn, surely Kendall and Balls would step down to let Burnham have a fair crack?

Neither of those two stand a chance and are divisive and splitting the party more than Corbyn.
Yes. I agree. Burnham is the only chance of pulling the party together and re-assembling in some sort of vaguely credible middle ground.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:58 am

I think the idea that Burnham could be vaguely credible to the electorate is wishful thinking!
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by jaffka » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:13 am

Andy Burnham with his painted on eyebrows.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:43 pm

Corbyn is going to win.

Even if he didn't none of the other 3 are credible. It did initially seem Burnham was, but he's proven to be a floating policy on legs. Committed to nothing and always 24 hrs behind the soundbite. Mrs Balls may as well not have bothered .... in fact it seems like she didn't and Lizzie thingie is just not going to get the support of her own party even if she gets the support of all the others.

IF .... unlikely as it is ... Corbyn doesn't win the genie is now out of the bottle and properly unpleasant activism isn't going to cease. Whoever did is going to have an unmanageable group making life impossible.

Oh ... & in the greatest irony of all Gordon Brown today advises against having a leader who is unelectable. Great irony there.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:59 pm

So not unlike the current party of government then? No split on Europe (for example) and that clearly hasn't rumbled on since the 1980's? Obviously that makes them an unelectable rabble...

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:46 pm

Worthy4England wrote:So not unlike the current party of government then? No split on Europe (for example) and that clearly hasn't rumbled on since the 1980's? Obviously that makes them an unelectable rabble...
indeed... the tories have yet to see what happens when Cameron (the cork in the bottle) is popped and Boris, Therea and Georgie-boy all come fizzing out! :D
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:53 pm

thebish wrote:I think the idea that Burnham could be vaguely credible to the electorate is wishful thinking!
More credible than any of the others. And more critically probably able to hold the party together.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:05 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
thebish wrote:I think the idea that Burnham could be vaguely credible to the electorate is wishful thinking!
More credible than any of the others. And more critically probably able to hold the party together.
as i said - wishful thinking! holding the party together is not the same as getting elected...

as I said before - none of the four really inspires me with any confidence of a general election win next time around..

so - what to do in that case? vote for the one who says stuff I agree with - and whose record in the commons backs him up. simple.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:09 pm

thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
thebish wrote:I think the idea that Burnham could be vaguely credible to the electorate is wishful thinking!
More credible than any of the others. And more critically probably able to hold the party together.
as i said - wishful thinking! holding the party together is not the same as getting elected...

as I said before - none of the four really inspires me with any confidence of a general election win next time around..

so - what to do in that case? vote for the one who says stuff I agree with - and whose record in the commons backs him up. simple.
Fair enough, though I think Burnham has a small chance of winning a general election. Whereas I think under Corbyn if Labour end up only 50 seats worse off than they are now it will be a minor miracle.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:28 pm

time will tell... I just think electing yet another empty sock-puppet politician-leader is one more too many...
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Bijou Bob » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:24 pm

I do think Corbyn may shock a few. He has mobilised the youth vote and hundreds of thousands of people who feel disenfranchised from tge Westminster elite. If he can do that at a general election, the results could be interesting.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:40 pm

Bijou Bob wrote:I do think Corbyn may shock a few. He has mobilised the youth vote and hundreds of thousands of people who feel disenfranchised from tge Westminster elite. If he can do that at a general election, the results could be interesting.
indeed - I think it's worth a go! you might as well lose believing in something than lose believing in nothing...
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:00 pm

100% commitment @ 99% certainty of losing .v. 60% commitment @ 60% likelihood of losing.

Which gets most achieved ?
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