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Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:21 pm

Sally from the Co-op..? :D

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TANGODANCER wrote:Sally from the Co-op..? :D

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/141 ... ley_Cross/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There is no way anybody could persuade me that Da Vinci drew those breasts ( or the bit of chest that represents the breastage). It's beyond not very good, that bit is dire. That and the ridiculous contraption superglued to her forehead. Sally from Bolton gets my vote.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:17 pm

As a regular caller-inner at that store I'm quite happy to believe that Da Vinci nipped in for an Evening News and bottle of semi-skimmed around the turn of the 16th Century and is still in the fecking queue now!
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Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:23 pm

What look to be two fantastic exhibitions of J.M.W.Turner's watercolours in Scotland and Ireland this month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/article ... -midwinter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by thebish » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:43 pm

turner was basically - most of the time - just having a larfff...

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thebish wrote:turner was basically - most of the time - just having a larfff...

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Que? What can possibly be confusing about that gorgeous rendition?
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thebish wrote:turner was basically - most of the time - just having a larfff...

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Que? What can possibly be confusing about that gorgeous rendition?
Don't go there Spots. It's the bish having the laugh.
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Ok. Second question. ^ oil or watercolour??
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Ok. Second question. ^ oil or watercolour??
Decidedly watercolour. Both exhibitions are of Turner's watercolours. Here's a biggger view of that work:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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TANGODANCER wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Ok. Second question. ^ oil or watercolour??
Decidedly watercolour. Both exhibitions are of Turner's watercolours. Here's a biggger view of that work:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
All the best painters are watercolourists :wink:
If Madine and Clough painted, Madine would labour with oils whilst Zac would knock up a quick wash sketch.
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Ok. Second question. ^ oil or watercolour??
Decidedly watercolour. Both exhibitions are of Turner's watercolours. Here's a biggger view of that work:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
All the best painters are watercolourists :wink:
If Madine and Clough painted, Madine would labour with oils whilst Zac would knock up a quick wash sketch.
Well, there's Carravagio, Rembrandt and a few others who might be considered handy with oils mind..... :wink:
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
thebish wrote:turner was basically - most of the time - just having a larfff...

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Que? What can possibly be confusing about that gorgeous rendition?
simply the confusion at why anyone would want to hang it on a wall! otherwise - none at all!

I'll wager if I had posted that and said it was a nice effort by my mum at amateur art-class - people might have been kind - but to value it at millions?? - ahh - there's another tiny bit of confusion! :wink:

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TANGODANCER wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Ok. Second question. ^ oil or watercolour??
Decidedly watercolour. Both exhibitions are of Turner's watercolours. Here's a biggger view of that work:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
All the best painters are watercolourists :wink:
If Madine and Clough painted, Madine would labour with oils whilst Zac would knock up a quick wash sketch.
Well, there's Carravagio, Rembrandt and a few others who might be considered handy with oils mind..... :wink:
To extend the analogy, Rembrandt like Ronaldo was a natural, he could paint in any medium, it's just that his fans wanted slow, considered, over-complicated pieces that built up layer by layer rather than beautiful artisanal swift goals, which he could do just as well, but got paid Championship prices for instead of his Premiership oil wages.
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thebish wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
thebish wrote:turner was basically - most of the time - just having a larfff...

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Que? What can possibly be confusing about that gorgeous rendition?
simply the confusion at why anyone would want to hang it on a wall! otherwise - none at all!

I'll wager if I had posted that and said it was a nice effort by my mum at amateur art-class - people might have been kind - but to value it at millions?? - ahh - there's another tiny bit of confusion! :wink:

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Really?
If your mum could paint that, I'd kiss her arse. I bet you couldn't paint that even with the example in front of you. It is technically brilliant, mainly because of its simplicity of style. You're either a) jealous or b) culturally blind.
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Post by thebish » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:01 pm

or maybe I just have a different opinion to yours...
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:07 pm

thebish wrote:or maybe I just have a different opinion to yours...
There is always that. But you brought you mum into it.
I Brought you into it. I challenge you to put up a painting which you (or your mum, or any of your family) have painted from scratch that I consider as good as the one you've dismissed as being "having a larrf".
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
thebish wrote:or maybe I just have a different opinion to yours...
There is always that. But you brought you mum into it.
I Brought you into it. I challenge you to put up a painting which you (or your mum, or any of your family) have painted from scratch that I consider as good as the one you've dismissed as being "having a larrf".
dogmatic fundamentalism suits you very well! :D
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thebish wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
thebish wrote:or maybe I just have a different opinion to yours...
There is always that. But you brought you mum into it.
I Brought you into it. I challenge you to put up a painting which you (or your mum, or any of your family) have painted from scratch that I consider as good as the one you've dismissed as being "having a larrf".
dogmatic fundamentalism suits you very well! :D
It always amuses me when my 'mental environment' is brought into something that started out with a statement that by any considered opinion would be questionable.
(I always forget, until you bring it into sharp focus, that you have opinions which in my dogmatic fundamental opinion, are absolute and complete nuts. Obviously a belief in a universal creator dulls one's appreciation of non-universal creation. It's a piece of paper with paint on it: he wasn't having a laugh, he was rendering the light before his eyes into an impression of the wonder he felt in the presence of nature. I can say that, because I know how he felt. You obviously don't).
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Post by thebish » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:12 pm

or maybe he was just knocking out summat that wasn't up to the standard he was obviously capable of... you do not know how he felt as he painted this particular picture - you might guess - but it'd be a guess.

if the only options for someone who happens to disagree with your opinion of a painting are:

1) jealousy
2) cultural blindness

and not

3) having a different and valid opinion

then I reckon that's as good an illustration of dogmatic fundamentalism as I have seen expressed on this forum... it suits you! :D
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:24 pm

thebish wrote:or maybe he was just knocking out summat that wasn't up to the standard he was obviously capable of... you do not know how he felt as he painted this particular picture - you might guess - but it'd be a guess.

if the only options for someone who happens to disagree with your opinion of a painting are:

1) jealousy
2) cultural blindness

and not

3) having a different and valid opinion

then I reckon that's as good an illustration of dogmatic fundamentalism as I have seen expressed on this forum... it suits you! :D
Well, let's see..
Firstly you said that basically most of the time he was having a larrrf.
Then you questioned why it was worth millions.
Well, he wasn't painting it to make millions. He was a pioneer of painting techniques. So yes, because you can't paint, and on the subject of Turner you are obviously a numpty, I think the two choices I presented are the most likely.
What possible Valid reason have you got that explains your statement that basically he was mostly having a larrf?????
Would you like to answer the actual question, rather than casting dogmatic fundamentalism my obviously deserved way?
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