Today I'm angry about.....

[bedwetter2]

A good start would be to refuse anyone who went Jhiadding re-entry to the UK/EU, citizen or not and stop the dodgy NGO's from operating a ferry service. Shut down dodgy mosques, intern all hate preachers and regular searches of suspects premises and electronics, won't stop them all but it will get quite a few.

That would, of course, help but the bigger problem seems to be the ones who never went to that fly-blown shithole in the middle east. They, all 10k of them or whatever it is, would have been identified by the company they keep, input to social media or downloading specific information, e.g. " how to build your own dirty moab in 10 easy steps". They need sorting as they are hiding in plain sight in their own hovels in various cities in the UK. Hence why the neighbours always say "he's such a nice boy, kept to himself but always said good morning on his way to buy the Daily Jihad. A good religious boy who wouldn't hurt a fly". Yeah, not a fly but plenty of humans.

[bedwetter2]

Extreme vetting? You listen to Trump too much. You either vet people properly and resource it, or you do as the government always does and either not resource it properly or outsource it and make your mates richer. Resulting in it being done badly.

Perhaps the terminology is different in the good ole USA. I meant much deeper investigation into identified suspects than seems to be the case at present. I am of the opinion that some current vetting is only equivalent to that done for people working with children or vulnerable adults.
Internment would allow for the time to do it properly at some length.

[Lord Kangana]

Have I just woken up in a Chris Morris script?

And can you book a fortnights jihad(d)ing with Thomas Cook?

[Prufrock]

It's more Alan Partridge for me. Middle-aged men with an Andy McNabb book talking about their plans for counter terrorism.

[Prufrock]

I bet it involves chinooks.

[Lord Kangana]

And 'sending in the SAS'. They'll sort out those dib-dabs.

[Ivan the Terrible]

This interesting theory, partially propagated by the liberal intellegentsia, that jihadism is a direct result of 'our' aggression and foreign policy decisions...uhmmm, let's see:
Out of the Islamists that have struck in Europe in the last three years - Morrocan, Tunisian, Pakistani, Algerian, Libyan, Saudi, Turkish, Egyptian, Sudanese, Uzbeki, Azerbajaini.
With the notable exception of Libya, in what way have we Europeans aggressed against orforced our foreign policy on the nations of Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc?
And yet it is from those countries that the jihadists originate from, more than any Iraquis or Syrians or Malians or any other nation where it can be fairly said we have violently intervened.

[bedwetter2]

Have I just woken up in a Chris Morris script?

And can you book a fortnights jihad(d)ing with Thomas Cook?

Yes, you should.

[bedwetter2]

It's more Alan Partridge for me. Middle-aged men with an Andy McNabb book talking about their plans for counter terrorism.

It's strange that you should say that. A relative of mine in the armed forces is based at Stirling Lines, Hereford. Ring any bells?

Special forces only generally get involved after the shit hits the fan

Perhaps a bit of preventative action before the event would be preferable. I don't mean the Government's much loved Prevent programme; that is next to useless. It is a big ask to change the ideology of the target by just talking to them.

[Lord Kangana]

Your relative will be well aware then, probably more so than you it appears, that Andy McNab is a fantasist and Bravo Two Zero about as close to the truth as a Famous Five book. Sadly, it's utterly ridiculous premise is swallowed verbatim by people eager to believe that a few good 'uns of ours 'will sort it out if only they were allowed'.

A line officially sanctioned by the SAS themselves, by the way, if you want to check.

So Pru is on the button.

[TANGODANCER]

Your relative will be well aware then, probably more so than you it appears, that Andy McNab is a fantasist and Bravo Two Zero about as close to the truth as a Famous Five book. Sadly, it's utterly ridiculous premise is swallowed verbatim by people eager to believe that a few good 'uns of ours 'will sort it out if only they were allowed'.

A line officially sanctioned by the SAS themselves, by the way, if you want to check.

So Pru is on the button.

You'd better hope not; he'd ban bus passes and exterminate anybody over fifty as a drain on oxygen and financial resources.

[Lord Kangana]

Sensible policies for a post Brexit Britain. Can't have passengers now, everyone must be onside and pulling their weight.

[bedwetter2]

Your relative will be well aware then, probably more so than you it appears, that Andy McNab is a fantasist and Bravo Two Zero about as close to the truth as a Famous Five book. Sadly, it's utterly ridiculous premise is swallowed verbatim by people eager to believe that a few good 'uns of ours 'will sort it out if only they were allowed'.

A line officially sanctioned by the SAS themselves, by the way, if you want to check.

So Pru is on the button.

I think you will find that never once did I mention that sending in any special forces was any sort of answer. Having not read the book that you mention I couldn't comment on it. As ever, you like to include hyperbole in comments, to wit: "your relative will be well aware then, probably more so than you it appears, that Andy McNab is a fantasist and Bravo Two Zero about as close to the truth as a Famous Five book". It may well be the case that Andy McNab is a fantasist but as I at no point referred to that person, book or that special forces groups should be sent in to 'sort it out if only they were allowed' your views have no validity. None whatsoever.

Whilst it is true right from the early days of David Stirling that the regiment likes to maintain a certain mystique, that is mainly to mask capabilities and keep potential enemies on their toes. Misinformation if you like. Nothing that you read would inform you of what their main functions are and what they are currently involved in but you would be surprised how mundane a lot of it is. There are no officially sanctioned descriptions of what occurred in recent campaigns.

And Pru is most definitely not on the button. No more than you.

My point was about prevention, not messy cure, and that does not involve regular or special forces at all.

[bedwetter2]

Your relative will be well aware then, probably more so than you it appears, that Andy McNab is a fantasist and Bravo Two Zero about as close to the truth as a Famous Five book. Sadly, it's utterly ridiculous premise is swallowed verbatim by people eager to believe that a few good 'uns of ours 'will sort it out if only they were allowed'.

A line officially sanctioned by the SAS themselves, by the way, if you want to check.

So Pru is on the button.

You'd better hope not; he'd ban bus passes and exterminate anybody over fifty as a drain on oxygen and financial resources.

I sympathise Tango. There is much not to admire about impatient youth . Socialists least of all, the worst of the breed being the champagne type.

[Prufrock]

Imagine thinking champagne was a bad thing. Imagine that.

Happened by chance to do a little bit of MOD intelligence stuff actually (I mean law, I haven't shot anyone). It's absolutely fascinating, but yeah, bravo two zero is less than accurate.

I feel safe in the hands of Michael the Geordie.

[TANGODANCER]

Imagine thinking champagne was a bad thing. Imagine that.

Happened by chance to do a little bit of MOD intelligence stuff actually (I mean law, I haven't shot anyone). It's absolutely fascinating, but yeah, bravo two zero is less than accurate. I feel safe in the hands of Michael the Geordie.

Did they mention what colour the boathouse at Hereford was...

[malcd1]

It is because they are at war with the West. We are infidels, scum, pigs and we deserve to die.

The Muslim terrorists are willing to die for the cause because they are told that they will go to heaven with their 72 virgins. They cannot wait to die to be in paradise. They are eager and willing as long as they take out as many non-muslims as possible (well not followers of their perverse version of Islam anyway).

This is not the odd lone wolf. There are thousands of them in this country and across Europe. In France there are 15,000 individuals being tracked. British authorities and MI5 revealed they had 500 ongoing investigations into 3,000 individuals, with a further 20,000 having been "subjects of interest" in the past In Germany, it has been reported they had registered over 10,000 "radical Salafists" in 2017, double as many as had been registered by 2013. The Swedish Security Service said the number of Islamic extremists in Sweden had soared to "thousands" in 2017, up from 200 in 2010.

Since 2014, there have been around 40 terror attacks carried out by Muslims in Europe (including in France, United Kingdom, Turkey, Belgium, Germany, Russia, Sweden, Denmark and Spain) plus dozens of others stopped by Counter Terrorist Offices. It would be fantastic odds that all these terror attacks are being carried out by random Muslims and it not having anything to do with Islam.

There have been too many apologists saying it has nothing to do with religion. Nothing to do with Islam and these are not real Muslims. It has everything to with religion and in that I mean Islam. As far as these Islamic Terrorists are concerned they are the true Muslims as they lead their life as the Quran tells they to. Until people admit this, nothing will be achieved.

There is no stopping them (the terrorists) now. It is probably too late.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... st_attacks

I fear you are wasting your time, Malc. I remember pointing out over two years ago that 27 of 29 ongoing conflicts in the world involved muslims as the aggressor parties. The silence was deafening from the right-on apologists on here. They don't want to know as it may upset their 'liberal' sensitivities. The figure did not include terrorist attacks, by the way.

Clearly, there is far more support for terrorism and jihad from the general muslim populations in many western countries than is or will be admitted by governments. It is, as you say, probably too late to do much to eliminate the problem. Governments, including our own, could be seen as cowardly appeasers.

Always happy to hear your plan to solve it (or Malc's) or anyone else's for that matter.

When you're on about too late to sort it, didn't the first Muslims arrive in the UK around 500 years ago?

I'm less concerned with those Muslims that arrived 500 years ago to be honest. I don't think they have done anything naughty for quite a while now.

I have said previously that I don't have any answers to the Muslim Terrorist problem. Saying that, I believe the first thing they should do is admit that there is a problem within a section (note I'm not saying all) of the Muslim community. In this country, the Islamic terrorists have usually involved Muslims that were born here. These people are not born with this racist prejudice of non-Muslims just like white racists are not born that way. They are taught to hate non-Muslims and believe what they are doing is a holy war. Is this coming from home or the mosques? If they have a problem with the British foreign policy, why explode a bomb in Manchester Arena to kill as many innocent children as possible? These kids certainly hadn't been sending weapons or troops to other Muslim countries.

Also, every time there has been a terrorist incident carried out by a Muslim, the liberal left are very quick to say that this has nothing to do with religion or Muslims when it clearly does. They are helping the Islamic religion and hate preachers distance themselves from the killings. Changes have to come from within but that is not going to happen until they stand up and admit the problem is within their community and their religion. A bit like an alcoholic taking the first step by admitting they have a drink problem.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

My view is that you have to be pretty dissatisfied with life to be willing to believe someone that killing and maiming is the answer. Whilst it might be a bit simplistic, I think inequality, both financial but also social that is at the root of so many 2nd and 3rd generation Brits/French etc buying into the message. Of course there are many other factors, but sorting out the awful inequality in the UK and rushing to get involved with bombing folk will go a long way. Certainly more so than interning anyone that happened to be in the same room as someone and that must mean they're one of them. That just breeds the problem.

[TANGODANCER]

It's pretty straight-forward. The problems start in homes and from contact with others they associate with. Religions don't preach violence and murder; it's just used as an excuse to facilitate it by maniacs and killers themselves. Just like decent kids in any environ go wrong in order to be one of the gang, only a stronger influence and teaching at home and school ( and a thorough grounding in right and wrong) will counteract this. I have seen (and had in my charge) a ten year old girl from Northern Ireland screaming bitter, foul-mouthed abuse at a passing truck load of British soldiers. She was incensed and I had to take her away or she could have got me arrested. What I saw she didn't learn in any church or school but was taught and instilled in her by parents (or lack of) and those around her. If she was like that at ten, what chance does she have of being a balanced thinker at twenty? Sectarian communities have the means to control their inhabitants. If they preach dislike hate and loathing as being because someone isn't of their own following, then what has that got to do with the Bible, Quran, Torah or any other scriptures? The answer is nothing at all, only those passing as supposed "holy men" and spiritual leaders, make the rules and twist meanings to suit their own ends. If the same "holy men" preached about the wrongs of it all, then they could outlaw the wrong-doers in their own communities. How many people preaching Christianity ever pray or have seen the inside of a Church in their lives? The lack of Churches in this country discounts religion as having any bearing on any of it. The word of God has been replaced by the word of man; admit it and it becomes obvious that religion is just an excuse and not to blame. Lean on the preachers and teachers to do their job and isolate the killers from the rest. That's the only way to differentiate between common sense and fantasy.

Amen....

[bedwetter2]

My view is that you have to be pretty dissatisfied with life to be willing to believe someone that killing and maiming is the answer. Whilst it might be a bit simplistic, I think inequality, both financial but also social that is at the root of so many 2nd and 3rd generation Brits/French etc buying into the message. Of course there are many other factors, but sorting out the awful inequality in the UK and rushing to get involved with bombing folk will go a long way. Certainly more so than interning anyone that happened to be in the same room as someone and that must mean they're one of them. That just breeds the problem.

According to security sources, probably MI5 and GCHQ, there are 10k muslims in the UK who are being monitored and more than 20k in France. They have been identified by their deeds and let's face it, their own wish to live separate lives away from the infidel - how on earth are you going to reduce inequality when they don''t want to get involved in British society?

Internment should be a last resort but there thousands who are too far gone to influence in the slightest. In my opinion. If it really is 10k being monitored just think of the cost of doing so, for what? In 20 or 30 years time when "experts" say the threat is severely diminished the cost will have been astronomical. Not that the threat will be diminished anyway so long as the 10k are in a position to influence younger generations. That is why by taking them out of circulation through internment the threat should be much better controlled.