Today I'm angry about.....

[BWFC_Insane]

Look away now TD!! Interesting to hear the applause yet none of the women you could see in the audience were clapping!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146

Quite how anyone can defend a man kissing or touching a woman without their consent is beyond me. It’s absolutely disgusting that we have such attitudes. I mean she didn’t want it. He forced it. She isn’t happy. How is the in any way defensible?

[TANGODANCER]

Look away now TD!! Interesting to hear the applause yet none of the women you could see in the audience were clapping!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146

Quite how anyone can defend a man kissing or touching a woman without their consent is beyond me. It’s absolutely disgusting that we have such attitudes. I mean she didn’t want it. He forced it. She isn’t happy. How is the in any way defensible?

It might be worthy of notice that I passed no opinion either way, just simple at "headline news". Just mentioning

[BWFC_Insane]

Look away now TD!! Interesting to hear the applause yet none of the women you could see in the audience were clapping!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66621146

Quite how anyone can defend a man kissing or touching a woman without their consent is beyond me. It’s absolutely disgusting that we have such attitudes. I mean she didn’t want it. He forced it. She isn’t happy. How is the in any way defensible?

It might be worthy of notice that I passed no opinion either way, just simple at "headline news". Just mentioning

Eh? I was commenting on the folks in the audience clapping?

[Worthy4England]

About every line you could cross in 2023, he's managed it. Whether it's Internationally newsworthy? I think there's probably bigger news stories - but it isn't passing with no comment, TD..

[Montreal Wanderer]

About every line you could cross in 2023, he's managed it. Whether it's Internationally newsworthy? I think there's probably bigger news stories - but it isn't passing with no comment, TD..

Heck, it even had a ten minute segment on CNN tonight competing with the Wagner plane crash and the Trump mugshot. And this in a country where footie is low down in the national interest. The announcer was horrified that today's speech was applauded by what they said was a primarily male audience. They described the applause as the last pathetic gasp of Spanish machismo.

[Worthy4England]

About every line you could cross in 2023, he's managed it. Whether it's Internationally newsworthy? I think there's probably bigger news stories - but it isn't passing with no comment, TD..

Heck, it even had a ten minute segment on CNN tonight competing with the Wagner plane crash and the Trump mugshot. And this in a country where footie is low down in the national interest. The announcer was horrified that today's speech was applauded by what they said was a primarily male audience. They described the applause as the last pathetic gasp of Spanish machismo.

Looks like we might need more popcorn.

[Worthy4England]

Nanny state.

My son is coming up to his 21st birthday this weekend. He looks older than 18. Where the fcuk has discretion gone from licensed premises. Having been a muppet and losing his provisional and letting his Passport expire, he doesn't actually have a physical proof of ID (both are in the post for renewal). But when did the default become "No age ID, no entry?" - The law doesn't say that as far as I can tell, it says if the responsible person doesn't think someone is 18, they should check. World's gone mad.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Nanny state.

My son is coming up to his 21st birthday this weekend. He looks older than 18. Where the fcuk has discretion gone from licensed premises. Having been a muppet and losing his provisional and letting his Passport expire, he doesn't actually have a physical proof of ID (both are in the post for renewal). But when did the default become "No age ID, no entry?" - The law doesn't say that as far as I can tell, it says if the responsible person doesn't think someone is 18, they should check. World's gone mad.

Trading Standards come down on both licensees and staff like a ton of bricks if you get it wrong. We're also pressured to be strict with the look under 25 then ID check them. I've just had a run in with them over tobacco and vaping - it was surreal. Most places will generally over compensate with checks as it is a nightmare if you get on TS radar.

[Worthy4England]

Nanny state.

My son is coming up to his 21st birthday this weekend. He looks older than 18. Where the fcuk has discretion gone from licensed premises. Having been a muppet and losing his provisional and letting his Passport expire, he doesn't actually have a physical proof of ID (both are in the post for renewal). But when did the default become "No age ID, no entry?" - The law doesn't say that as far as I can tell, it says if the responsible person doesn't think someone is 18, they should check. World's gone mad.

Trading Standards come down on both licensees and staff like a ton of bricks if you get it wrong. We're also pressured to be strict with the look under 25 then ID check them. I've just had a run in with them over tobacco and vaping - it was surreal. Most places will generally over compensate with checks as it is a nightmare if you get on TS radar.

Yeah, mate, I understand why. Just think it's poorly executed and has de facto removed anyone using their brain. The other thing is, if my son is having a beer with me, fairly obviously over 25, then I'd be happy for any potential fine to be against me, as I can pretty obviously vouch that he's over 18. T'other thing is you only need to be 14 to have a beer with a meal!

I'm great with people checking, if they're unsure, but that shouldn't be a proxy for no ID, no entry. He's got pics of his birth cert, provisional license and expired passport, but they don't apply any nous there either.

He's been denied entry with his physical passport because it was "expired." That's just plain fcuked.

[Prufrock]

He's still him.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Nanny state.

My son is coming up to his 21st birthday this weekend. He looks older than 18. Where the fcuk has discretion gone from licensed premises. Having been a muppet and losing his provisional and letting his Passport expire, he doesn't actually have a physical proof of ID (both are in the post for renewal). But when did the default become "No age ID, no entry?" - The law doesn't say that as far as I can tell, it says if the responsible person doesn't think someone is 18, they should check. World's gone mad.

Trading Standards come down on both licensees and staff like a ton of bricks if you get it wrong. We're also pressured to be strict with the look under 25 then ID check them. I've just had a run in with them over tobacco and vaping - it was surreal. Most places will generally over compensate with checks as it is a nightmare if you get on TS radar.

Yeah, mate, I understand why. Just think it's poorly executed and has de facto removed anyone using their brain. The other thing is, if my son is having a beer with me, fairly obviously over 25, then I'd be happy for any potential fine to be against me, as I can pretty obviously vouch that he's over 18. T'other thing is you only need to be 14 to have a beer with a meal!

I'm great with people checking, if they're unsure, but that shouldn't be a proxy for no ID, no entry. He's got pics of his birth cert, provisional license and expired passport, but they don't apply any nous there either.

He's been denied entry with his physical passport because it was "expired." That's just plain fcuked.

Completely agree, but the staff member and licensee would under current rules get in a shitstorm. To give you an idea of what we're up against...

TS didn't think we were filling in the refusal log enough (tobacco) so decided in her report to state we didn't have a log. When I pointed out we had a log, that she saw it and had held it in her hands and commented on it, she said, yes, but you don't have one because I don't think you use it. In the same report we were supposedly selling an illegal vape. I checked the database she told me I had to check and lo and behold, it was listed and therefore legal. She said it wasn't in the database she checked, which wasn't the database she told me it legally had to be listed in. There was more, but it gives you an idea of the nonsense retailers and licensees have to navigate.

[Worthy4England]

I'm not really shouting at license holders (other than they don't legally need an ID and could use common sense), my son doesn't look under 18, but nor does he look 40. The situation makes it so that the safety is default "ask for ID"

There's a tw@t at our local garage won't serve my 30 year old daughter (not like he's never fvking seen her before - served her plenty) without ID, she forgets it and has to come back home.

My son's GF's mum had to produce ID in Brighton, she is 40 and you'd have to be on drugs to think she was under 18.

Needs to fcking stop.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not really shouting at license holders (other than they don't legally need an ID and could use common sense), my son doesn't look under 18, but nor does he look 40. The situation makes it so that the safety is default "ask for ID"

There's a tw@t at our local garage won't serve my 30 year old daughter (not like he's never fvking seen her before - served her plenty) without ID, she forgets it and has to come back home.

My son's GF's mum had to produce ID in Brighton, she is 40 and you'd have to be on drugs to think she was under 18.

Needs to fcking stop.

And then with all this enhanced ‘checking’ and tightening of the system the kids all know the shops and pubs that still turn a blind eye and serve people without too much questioning.

I don’t really see (not blaming license holders here but the creep of government nonsense) what’s wrong with how it used to be….do you think they are clearly over 18? Ok crack on, are you unsure…then check with ID….

[Worthy4England]

Yup. I just nipped to shops to buy a packet of Lemsip. Queue at the tills, thought a I'd use the self checkout. Transaction stopped "Please wait for an assisstant"... The machine nearly went outta the window.

You can't set laws based on the fact that someone might OD on 15 packets of Lemon flavoured...I mean at that sorta price it'd be almost compulsory...

[BWFC_Insane]

Don’t get me started on self checkouts. In principle I like them. The practice is thought that half don’t work. The ones that do are often so temperamental that they fail to recognise that something has been placed in the baggage area of the weight that corresponds to the item you just scanned. And finally and really the big issue you need a member of staff there paying attention to help with errors or age checks or security tag removals…yet it’s the Marie Celeste most of the time with self checkouts all occupied ‘waiting for assistance’ and massive queues building up. Progress….yeah right.

[Prufrock]

And that often you'll be stood in a massive queue while huge banks of them are just switched off. Because they still need some staff to oversee and they don't want to pay anyone.

So they pocket all the benefits while the customer experience gets worse and people lose their jobs.

[Worthy4England]

FML - had to nip back for some hay-fever tablets...I'm now in full on Victor Meldrew!

[BWFC_Insane]

And that often you'll be stood in a massive queue while huge banks of them are just switched off. Because they still need some staff to oversee and they don't want to pay anyone.

So they pocket all the benefits while the customer experience gets worse and people lose their jobs.

Spot on. Initially they were time saving and queue reducing. Now they just make everything worse because they’ve skimped on staff.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

To make it even more idiotic they cost 10 x more than a traditional till, not to mention the management software. I won't have them anywhere near my wee supermarket.

[Hoboh]

To make it even more idiotic they cost 10 x more than a traditional till, not to mention the management software. I won't have them anywhere near my wee supermarket.

I dislike them as well, give me humans, even sullen ones over these things any day.