Miniority destroying Northern Ireland

[Relentless09]

Over the 12th of July there has been major rioting and attacks from Catholics, the one's taking apart are scum and it's disgusting that children from the age of 10 upwards were being used as shields to stop police using heavy force

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10614147

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10624559

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10594614

there's many more

[CAPSLOCK]

Oh fcuk

[Puskas]

What are you moaning about?

I, for one, am happy to see a nice discussion about a simple topic that we can all agree on, with none of the usual acrimony.

[thebish]

What are you moaning about?

I, for one, am happy to see a nice discussion about a simple topic that we can all agree on, with none of the usual acrimony.

which is the least controversial topic..

1. banning burqas
2. kevin davies
3. gary megson
4. dogs are better than cats
5. badgers are rubbish
6. can you teach someone to take a corner

[Puskas]

What are you moaning about?

I, for one, am happy to see a nice discussion about a simple topic that we can all agree on, with none of the usual acrimony.

which is the least controversial topic..

1. banning burqas
2. kevin davies
3. gary megson
4. dogs are better than cats
5. badgers are rubbish
6. can you teach someone to take a corner

2. Kevin Davies is uncontroversial as everyone knows he's a lazy, good for nothing stump.
3. Gary Megson is uncontroversial as he's not very good.
4. This is clearly uncontroversial as everyone knows it's stupid, and dogs are not better than cats.
5. See 4.
6. No, I can't. This is uncontroversial. Others might be able to, though.

So only (1) is controversial.

[boltonboris]

Do any of these people actually bother with religion? Or do they just like a ruck? They always say it's Catholics v Protestants, but in reality it just looks like wankers v dickheads.

All wearing hoodies too.. Ban them

[TANGODANCER]

Just peaceful negotiators protesting a cause? Or maybe just bunch of teenage nutters engaged in mindless violence, most without a clue what it's all about and conditioned to hate almost from birth?

[bobo the clown]

I blame the social workers ....oh, and the Police.

I blame social workers and the Police .... and the Catholic Church.

I blame social workers, the Police and the Catholic Church .... oh, and the appeasing Republic of Ireland Government.

I blame social workers, the Police, the Catholic Church and the appeasing Republic of Ireland Government .... oh, oh, oh .... as well as the US who encouraged the myth behind all this ...........


Right ................. Amongst those I blame are ..................... oh, bllx, it's all Megson's fault anyway.

[Puskas]

I read in the Sun that the UN is usnig history to criticise the pope. Wake up people! chop their hand's off, see how they like it. Is it a tune too familiar from our media?!??

[blurred]

They always say it's Catholics v Protestants, but in reality it just looks like wankers v dickheads.

Struggling to see the difference in those two...

[thebish]

They always say it's Catholics v Protestants, but in reality it just looks like wankers v dickheads.

Struggling to see the difference in those two...

which two?

[TANGODANCER]

They always say it's Catholics v Protestants, but in reality it just looks like wankers v dickheads.

Struggling to see the difference in those two...

Religion, in the strict sense, doesn't come into it except as an excuse. The hatred's inherited from generation to generation. The Orange marches are a real red-rag to a bull for the Catholics, celebrating something from the mists of time that has no relevance today, and everybody knows what's going to happen in advance every year. Let them go on and the Catholics go mad, cancel them and the Protestants kick off. Great idea to institute peace, celebrating a battle.

[Gary the Enfield]

I don't like the Orange Marches. It does seem entirely provocative. However, I have read extensively on this site that we live in a democratic society and people have the right to express their views and beliefs under this system. Is this not a similair case?

I don't think there is a decent, all encompassing remedy to this. We may just have to accept the fact that this is what happens in parts of Northern Ireland at this time of year. Like the Rose of Tralee festival.

[TANGODANCER]

I don't like the Orange Marches. It does seem entirely provocative. However, I have read extensively on this site that we live in a democratic society and people have the right to express their views and beliefs under this system. Is this not a similair case?

I don't think there is a decent, all encompassing remedy to this. We may just have to accept the fact that this is what happens in parts of Northern Ireland at this time of year. Like the Rose of Tralee festival.

Which is as much like the Orange Marches as Swan Lake is to the Cornish Floral Dance.

[thebish]

I don't like the Orange Marches. It does seem entirely provocative. However, I have read extensively on this site that we live in a democratic society and people have the right to express their views and beliefs under this system. Is this not a similair case?

I don't think there is a decent, all encompassing remedy to this. We may just have to accept the fact that this is what happens in parts of Northern Ireland at this time of year. Like the Rose of Tralee festival.

I'm not sure the problem is the celebration - whether it be of a battle or not - but the provocative routing of the marches through "catholic areas". I suspect quite a lot of the trouble could be avoided with a sensible approach to routing. The main Belfast parade, for instance, need not blast its way through the Lower Ormeau district, nor does the Portadown orange parade to Drumcree church NEED to go down the Garvaghy road.

but I won't be holding my breath.

[Prufrock]

They always say it's Catholics v Protestants, but in reality it just looks like wankers v dickheads.

Struggling to see the difference in those two...

Religion, in the strict sense, doesn't come into it except as an excuse. The hatred's inherited from generation to generation. The Orange marches are a real red-rag to a bull for the Catholics, celebrating something from the mists of time that has no relevance today, and everybody knows what's going to happen in advance every year. Let them go on and the Catholics go mad, cancel them and the Protestants kick off. Great idea to institute peace, celebrating a battle.

Hmmmmm.....

[Puskas]

I don't like the Orange Marches. It does seem entirely provocative. However, I have read extensively on this site that we live in a democratic society and people have the right to express their views and beliefs under this system. Is this not a similair case?

I don't think there is a decent, all encompassing remedy to this. We may just have to accept the fact that this is what happens in parts of Northern Ireland at this time of year. Like the Rose of Tralee festival.

I'm not sure the problem is the celebration - whether it be of a battle or not - but the provocative routing of the marches through "catholic areas". I suspect quite a lot of the trouble could be avoided with a sensible approach to routing. The main Belfast parade, for instance, need not blast its way through the Lower Ormeau district, nor does the Portadown orange parade to Drumcree church NEED to go down the Garvaghy road.

but I won't be holding my breath.

But the marching routes are traditional.

As traditional as the sash windows my father used to install for people.

[thebish]

I don't like the Orange Marches. It does seem entirely provocative. However, I have read extensively on this site that we live in a democratic society and people have the right to express their views and beliefs under this system. Is this not a similair case?

I don't think there is a decent, all encompassing remedy to this. We may just have to accept the fact that this is what happens in parts of Northern Ireland at this time of year. Like the Rose of Tralee festival.

I'm not sure the problem is the celebration - whether it be of a battle or not - but the provocative routing of the marches through "catholic areas". I suspect quite a lot of the trouble could be avoided with a sensible approach to routing. The main Belfast parade, for instance, need not blast its way through the Lower Ormeau district, nor does the Portadown orange parade to Drumcree church NEED to go down the Garvaghy road.

but I won't be holding my breath.

But the marching routes are traditional.

As traditional as the sash windows my father used to install for people.

It's Windows 7 now, Puskas....

[Puskas]

I don't like the Orange Marches. It does seem entirely provocative. However, I have read extensively on this site that we live in a democratic society and people have the right to express their views and beliefs under this system. Is this not a similair case?

I don't think there is a decent, all encompassing remedy to this. We may just have to accept the fact that this is what happens in parts of Northern Ireland at this time of year. Like the Rose of Tralee festival.

I'm not sure the problem is the celebration - whether it be of a battle or not - but the provocative routing of the marches through "catholic areas". I suspect quite a lot of the trouble could be avoided with a sensible approach to routing. The main Belfast parade, for instance, need not blast its way through the Lower Ormeau district, nor does the Portadown orange parade to Drumcree church NEED to go down the Garvaghy road.

but I won't be holding my breath.

But the marching routes are traditional.

As traditional as the sash windows my father used to install for people.

It's Windows 7 now, Puskas....

My father never installed that. He was more of a linux man. Red [bowler] hat.

[TANGODANCER]

They always say it's Catholics v Protestants, but in reality it just looks like wankers v dickheads.

Struggling to see the difference in those two...

Religion, in the strict sense, doesn't come into it except as an excuse. The hatred's inherited from generation to generation. The Orange marches are a real red-rag to a bull for the Catholics, celebrating something from the mists of time that has no relevance today, and everybody knows what's going to happen in advance every year. Let them go on and the Catholics go mad, cancel them and the Protestants kick off. Great idea to institute peace, celebrating a battle.

Hmmmmm.....

Traditions will always prevail Pru, it's human nature. With the Irish problem (and much as I'm reluctant to be seen agreeing with The Bish) it's the locations that are the main provocation. A bunch of Americans wouldn't march across Trafalgar Square celebrating a victory against the British, or a bunch of British sailors stomp through Cadiz celebrating the Armada.

Yes, it's all a bit chest-thumping, but the battles happened, and usually for reasons, and your countrymen died for their country. The Orange route is insensitive and provocative to say the least in its persistence of diection. Years ago these processions took place in Manchester and were never quite in the "celebration" class, more the provocation one. Leave the marches, change the routes and nobody gets hurt. But that's too easy...