Today I'm happy about......

[jaffka]

As for this homeless stuff, I have found this:

https://www.gov.uk/emergency-housing-if-homeless" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So genuine homeless then?

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

[TANGODANCER]

Forest Flame time in the front garden.. They go whiter and paler later, but right now they're beautiful.

[thebish]

As for this homeless stuff, I have found this:

https://www.gov.uk/emergency-housing-if-homeless" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So genuine homeless then?

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

yes. genuine homeless.

[Bruce Rioja]

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

Nowhere have I contested that.

[jaffka]

As for this homeless stuff, I have found this:

https://www.gov.uk/emergency-housing-if-homeless" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So genuine homeless then?

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

yes. genuine homeless.

For how long?

[jaffka]

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

Nowhere have I contested that.

Do you know the other sides story?

[Bruce Rioja]

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

Nowhere have I contested that.

Do you know the other sides story?

No, of course not. I said I bought the bloke a meal, not that I'm his fecking social worker.

[jaffka]

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

Nowhere have I contested that.

Do you know the other sides story?

No, of course not. I said I bought the bloke a meal, not that I'm his fecking social worker.

So what did he tell you?

[thebish]

As for this homeless stuff, I have found this:

https://www.gov.uk/emergency-housing-if-homeless" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So genuine homeless then?

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

yes. genuine homeless.

For how long?

different lengths of time for different people in different circumstances dealt with by different local councils and local voluntary services (strangely enough...)

[jaffka]

As for this homeless stuff, I have found this:

https://www.gov.uk/emergency-housing-if-homeless" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So genuine homeless then?

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

yes. genuine homeless.

For how long?

different lengths of time for different people in different circumstances dealt with by different local councils and local voluntary services (strangely enough...)

no, how long genuinely homeless?

[thebish]

see above.

[jaffka]

So you don't know

[thebish]

So you don't know

as I believe I have already said...

I know that people are genuinely homeless for different lengths of time being as they are different people in different circumstances and are dealt with by different local councils and different combinations of local voluntary services (strangely enough...)

asking how long people are genuinely homeless (as a generality) is a utterly DAFT a question as to ask "how long are people in hospital, generally?" - and then act all surprised when someone answers that different people are in hospital for different periods of time depending on their many and variously different circumstances..

it really isn't all THAT hard...

Bruce gave a meal to a homeless guy - I say, well done Bruce - that's a nice thing to do.

[jaffka]

So you don't know

as I believe I have already said...

I know that people are genuinely homeless for different lengths of time being as they are different people in different circumstances and are dealt with by different local councils and different combinations of local voluntary services (strangely enough...)

asking how long people are genuinely homeless (as a generality) is a utterly DAFT a question as to ask "how long are people in hospital, generally?" - and then act all surprised when someone answers that different people are in hospital for different periods of time depending on their many and variously different circumstances..

it really isn't all THAT hard...

Bruce gave a meal to a homeless guy - I say, well done Bruce - that's a nice thing to do.

How would you know if a person was genuinely homeless?

[Bruce Rioja]

As for the chap whose wife turfed him out, there's two sides to every story...

Nowhere have I contested that.

Do you know the other sides story?

No, of course not. I said I bought the bloke a meal, not that I'm his fecking social worker.

So what did he tell you?

What business is it of yours?

Actually, from what he did tell me I very much doubt that his wife's version of events would have differed much, if at all.

However, the guy was out on his ear. I wasn't there to sit in judgement, I've hardly been an angel through the years myself. I bought him fish and chips - he was hungry (clearly very hungry) and I could afford to help him with that.

[jaffka]

Actually, from what he did tell me I very much doubt that his wife's version of events would have differed much, if at all.

It's on an open forum I didn't realise it was a private conversation.

[thebish]

So you don't know

as I believe I have already said...

I know that people are genuinely homeless for different lengths of time being as they are different people in different circumstances and are dealt with by different local councils and different combinations of local voluntary services (strangely enough...)

asking how long people are genuinely homeless (as a generality) is a utterly DAFT a question as to ask "how long are people in hospital, generally?" - and then act all surprised when someone answers that different people are in hospital for different periods of time depending on their many and variously different circumstances..

it really isn't all THAT hard...

Bruce gave a meal to a homeless guy - I say, well done Bruce - that's a nice thing to do.

How would you know if a person was genuinely homeless?

well - for one thing - I used to work with the street-homeless, and have recently been working with a guy named Bill who was genuinely homeless in and around newton abbot for over 20yrs... mental illness was the cause... the council knew all about him - they knew his name - they occasionally housed him temporarily in the deepest of winter nights when the temperature dropped below -5... but then they ignored him. not until he had a couple of vociferous advocates to speak for him and argue with the housing dept. and follow up their promises and pester them into further action did any offer of housing ever emerge. (he is now in a B&B just around the corner from me) your tedious linking to sites that speak of the "statutary duties" of local councils towards people who are homeless simply reveal a startling, perhaps touching naivety in the matter of local councils and the way they often act.

The ones who slip throught the net - there are lots of them - usually (but not always) mental illness - those who don't have anyone to argue for them can be street-homeless for months and years...

and that's quite a narrow definition of "homeless" - the most extreme one

so - just guessing here - and feel free to put me right - but I reckon I'm probably in a better position direct-experience-of-working-with-homeless-people to assess "genuine" (your word) homelessness than you are...

I'm defining "genuine homeless" as someone who literally has nowhere to go and nobody (not even your precious council!) taking the blindest bit of notice. There are lots fo them - and they are homeless for wildly varying lengths of time..

and I still say - well done Bruce!

[Bruce Rioja]

Actually, from what he did tell me I very much doubt that his wife's version of events would have differed much, if at all.

It's on an open forum I didn't realise it was a private conversation.

The conversation between me and the guy in question was indeed a private conversation. This is an open forum. Glad we cleared that up.

[jaffka]

So you don't know

as I believe I have already said...

I know that people are genuinely homeless for different lengths of time being as they are different people in different circumstances and are dealt with by different local councils and different combinations of local voluntary services (strangely enough...)

asking how long people are genuinely homeless (as a generality) is a utterly DAFT a question as to ask "how long are people in hospital, generally?" - and then act all surprised when someone answers that different people are in hospital for different periods of time depending on their many and variously different circumstances..

it really isn't all THAT hard...

Bruce gave a meal to a homeless guy - I say, well done Bruce - that's a nice thing to do.

How would you know if a person was genuinely homeless?

well - for one thing - I used to work with the street-homeless, and have recently been working with a guy named Bill who was genuinely homeless in and around newton abbot for over 20yrs... mental illness was the cause... the council knew all about him - they knew his name - they occasionally housed him temporarily in the deepest of winter nights when the temperature dropped below -5... but then they ignored him. not until he had a couple of vociferous advocates to speak for him and argue with the housing dept. and follow up their promises and pester them into further action did any offer of housing ever emerge. (he is now in a B&B just around the corner from me) your tedious linking to sites that speak of the "statutary duties" of local councils towards people who are homeless simply reveal a startling, perhaps touching naivety in the matter of local councils and the way they often act.

The ones who slip throught the net - there are lots of them - usually (but not always) mental illness - those who don't have anyone to argue for them can be street-homeless for months and years...

and that's quite a narrow definition of "homeless" - the most extreme one

so - just guessing here - and feel free to put me right - but I reckon I'm probably in a better position direct-experience-of-working-with-homeless-people to assess "genuine" (your word) homelessness than you are...

I'm defining "genuine homeless" as someone who literally has nowhere to go and nobody (not even your precious council!) taking the blindest bit of notice. There are lots fo them - and they are homeless for wildly varying lengths of time..

and I still say - well done Bruce!

How do you know about councils ignoring people?

[thebish]

I generally talk about stuff I know summat about - I usually ignore stuff I don't know much about.

I can see you don't share this restraint.

also - well done Bruce!