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Re: Well, I'd never have thought this ...

Post by Montreal Wanderer » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:23 am

All this paedo stuff appears to have caused trouble in Wales.
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Post by Prufrock » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:36 am

Yes. 14 years ago.

These weren't even the comedy 'scum' ones.

I've always liked the idea that they thought that paedophiles put gold plaques up outside their homes advertising the fact.
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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:33 pm

Prufrock wrote:Yes. 14 years ago.

These weren't even the comedy 'scum' ones.

I've always liked the idea that they thought that paedophiles put gold plaques up outside their homes advertising the fact.
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Post by KeyserSoze » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:05 pm

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Post by Beefheart » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:09 pm

How the feck has he released 100 albums?!

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Post by bobo the clown » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:33 pm

I wonder what they expect to find in his house 30+ years after the event ?
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Post by bobo the clown » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:34 pm

bobo the clown wrote:I wonder what they expect to find in his house 30+ years after the event ?
... err, if there was an event ... of course.

Sorry m'lud.
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Post by Beefheart » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:24 pm

Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak · 3m

'Police: a number of people have come forward with new information since search of Sir Cliff Richard's home over historical sex offence claim'

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Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:42 pm

Beefheart wrote:Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak · 3m

'Police: a number of people have come forward with new information since search of Sir Cliff Richard's home over historical sex offence claim'
Surprise, surprise...
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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:44 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Beefheart wrote:Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak · 3m

'Police: a number of people have come forward with new information since search of Sir Cliff Richard's home over historical sex offence claim'
Surprise, surprise...
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Post by boltonboris » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:46 pm

think it's disgusting that his name is being branded about and the police are inviting the media to come and join in with the witchunt.. Obviously using the media to encourage further allegations.

Considering he's been charged with fvck all, it's pretty horrific
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Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:51 pm

boltonboris wrote:think it's disgusting that his name is being branded about and the police are inviting the media to come and join in with the witchunt.. Obviously using the media to encourage further allegations.

Considering he's been charged with fvck all, it's pretty horrific
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Post by LeverEnd » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:15 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Beefheart wrote:Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak · 3m

'Police: a number of people have come forward with new information since search of Sir Cliff Richard's home over historical sex offence claim'
Surprise, surprise...
:lol:

On a serious not I also agree Boris, I think there has been enough in the media to suggest that these allegations will be given a hearing without having to do that.
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Post by Prufrock » Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:36 pm

Dunno, I think it's a really hard one. I used to think that, with these sort of allegations, the defendant shouldn't be named until after any conviction. There is an obvious, and strong, argument that the reputational damage even of allegations of these kind is huge; however, I think there's a very strong argument the other way which us that often the only way to get prosecutions in these cases is to build a case where several people come forward and testify, and the only thing that normally brings people forward is that they know someone else has been through the same thing and so they won't be alone, and won't be the only target for the distressing, but essential forensic investigation of their claim.

I can see both sides of that argument, and am not confident either way. If pushed, I think I'd say there should be no naming until the person is charged (and so shows there is at least enough evidence on the sole basis of the person who has come forward) to go to court. Then any further allegations might strengthen the case, but wouldn't be its main foundation. The problem then you'd have is making sure the police don't start charging people as a fishing exercise.
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Post by bobo the clown » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:11 pm

boltonboris wrote:think it's disgusting that his name is being branded about and the police are inviting the media to come and join in with the witchunt.. Obviously using the media to encourage further allegations.

Considering he's been charged with fvck all, it's pretty horrific
Absolutely ... and the suggestion that naming flushes out new claims hardly works this time as the name has been bandied about for years.

I also think the way the police turned up with the BBC in tow, including a TV helicopter is disgraceful.

I have no idea whether Cliff Richards has done anything or not, but there is no excuse for that.
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Post by Prufrock » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:45 pm

Agreed on the coverage. Particularly the helicopters which resemble something from 'America's Wildest Police Chases'. Totally uncalled for.
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Post by thebish » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:50 pm

i heard a breathless reporter on the bbc yesterday say summat like..

"and...from the footage we can see from the heicopter... it looks like.. some of the police team members... are wearing forensic... latex gloves"

shock, horror!

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Post by TANGODANCER » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:01 pm

With TV, the printed media, e-mails, facebooks, twitterboxes and all the rest there'll be a million guilty verdicts before any trial even starts.
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Post by thebish » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:12 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:With TV, the printed media, e-mails, facebooks, twitterboxes and all the rest there'll be a million guilty verdicts before any trial even starts.

says he, whilst talking about the case on the internet! :wink:

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Post by Bijou Bob » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:09 pm

The cops reckon that the allegation came via the media. In that case they were left in a situation where they couldn't control the press, but had to manage them. Agreed, the helicopter was over the top, but that's down to Sky, not the Police.

I suspect that a deal has been done in order to prevent Sunday paper headlines making the lines of "73 year old entertainer in paedo investigation" which for months has been shorthand for "We've not quite got enough on Cliff".
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