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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:25 pm

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Lost Leopard Spot wrote: and I fail to see how an observation that women who wear the Niqab in western society share the mindset of those who shot the cartoonists can possibly be One Of The Most Fxck Witted Posts On This Forum!
it wouldn't be - IF that's what you wrote - but as it happens that's pretty much the opposite of what you wrote...
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by thebish » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:30 pm

I'd stick to the brief copy and paste aphorisms if I were you - you're less confused with those...

(and - I'm still failing to see how you have slapped or attacked me... is it some kind of internet thing that if you type the word "slap" the other person has to feel somehow attacked?? affirming (the opposite of) what you wrote before and disagreeing with my view of it doesn't really count as ATTACKING me does it? really?? if so - then you have a MUCH lower attack-definition threshold than seems normal! maybe that's why you get into disagreements in pubs!)

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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:01 pm

Anyway, Sunday's aphorisms early... (two for the price of one)

"No Vietcong ever called me Nigger" - Muhammad Ali

"plenty of Muslims have called me filthy kuff" - me
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Prufrock » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:20 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:(although having been labelled as posting the most fxck witted post ever on this forum,

as usual - way to fast to big yourself up! your post was labelled merely as ONE OF the most feck-witted things typed on this forum... you're not as special as you'd like to be...
The only one highlighted as a Glowing Testimony, though. So maybe I am as special as I'd like to be.
How unspecial, by the way, do you think I should aim for... in order to satisfy your speciality mores?
and while we're at it, have you never considered "Turn the other cheek" to be a particularly relevant aphorism in regard to Christian pastors?
If you think "turn the other cheek" as spoken by the character who overturned the tables of the moneysellers in the temple, for example, means "be nice and quiet and don't challenge anyone" then I fear you understand the doctrines of Christianity even less than you do those of Islam.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:08 am

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If you think "turn the other cheek" as spoken by the character who overturned the tables of the moneysellers in the temple, for example, means "be nice and quiet and don't challenge anyone" then I fear you understand the doctrines of Christianity even less than you do those of Islam.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:22 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
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thebish wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:(although having been labelled as posting the most fxck witted post ever on this forum,

as usual - way to fast to big yourself up! your post was labelled merely as ONE OF the most feck-witted things typed on this forum... you're not as special as you'd like to be...
The only one highlighted as a Glowing Testimony, though. So maybe I am as special as I'd like to be.
How unspecial, by the way, do you think I should aim for... in order to satisfy your speciality mores?
and while we're at it, have you never considered "Turn the other cheek" to be a particularly relevant aphorism in regard to Christian pastors?
If you think "turn the other cheek" as spoken by the character who overturned the tables of the moneysellers in the temple, for example, means "be nice and quiet and don't challenge anyone" then I fear you understand the doctrines of Christianity even less than you do those of Islam.
I fear you have me mixed up with somebody else
If you think I understand the poxy doctrines of Any religion I've very much failed to get across the point that religion is a fxcking poison!
Islam is especially toxic, (at this historical point) but Fxcking Christianity is a pile of crap too...
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Prufrock » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:46 pm

How can you know if the ideas are poison if you don't take the trouble to understand the ideas.

As it happens I concur almost work for word with your conclusion in the final sentence, but you seem to have got their by accident!
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by William the White » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:48 pm

Prufrock wrote:How can you know if the ideas are poison if you don't take the trouble to understand the ideas.

As it happens I concur almost work for word with your conclusion in the final sentence, but you seem to have got their by accident!
Neither Islam nor Christianity is 'a pile of crap' (to use Spott's inspired description), in my opinion. Though, in truth, some of their adherents leave something to be desired.

Both are human constructs capable of producing works of great beauty, almost transcendentally so.

Both have perpetrated profound cruelties. Neither is monolithic. Neither is barbaric.

And neither is the root of all evil.

In this they are like almost all human ideological constructs, a response to the world in which their founders lived and their followers created, altered, defended or destroyed.

Full of truth. And flaws.

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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Prufrock » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:58 pm

But we don't just then say that all human ideological constructs, suffering in each case say from all of those flaws, are equally valid. You haven't spent your life granting those same qualities to both Thatcherism and Socialism and therefore deciding both are of equal worth.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Montreal Wanderer » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:04 am

Prufrock wrote:But we don't just then say that all human ideological constructs, suffering in each case say from all of those flaws, are equally valid. You haven't spent your life granting those same qualities to both Thatcherism and Socialism and therefore deciding both are of equal worth.
Good point, Pru, but a low blow to WtW. Catch him on the one point where he is not always rational. :wink:
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by William the White » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:07 am

Prufrock wrote:But we don't just then say that all human ideological constructs, suffering in each case say from all of those flaws, are equally valid. You haven't spent your life granting those same qualities to both Thatcherism and Socialism and therefore deciding both are of equal worth.
I'm saying that both are products of their world and equally up to challenge - that is entirely different from saying they are of equal worth. That is the point of debate.

There is no point of debate if your starting point is that all/both are a 'pile of crap'...

Which you were agreeing with... And I wasn't...

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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Prufrock » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:16 am

That's not my starting point, it's my end point.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Prufrock » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:38 am

And to be fair it's only my end point in the sense that "pile of crap" is used idiomatically to refer to the truth of something. I don't discount out of hand the many beautiful things that have been inspired by both, and other, religions but I do make two claims: The first is that the good is outweighed by the bad. The second is that even if the good outweighs the bad, it doesn't make it true.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:05 am

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder – which probably explains why there is so much ugliness in the world…
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:26 am

Prufrock wrote:How can you know if the ideas are poison if you don't take the trouble to understand the ideas.

As it happens I concur almost work for word with your conclusion in the final sentence, but you seem to have got their by accident!
:conf: How so. I can understand a basic principle without having to know the ins and outs of a doctrine. Understanding an idea is not the same as knowing a doctrine. (and it's there by the way :wink: )
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Prufrock » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:36 am

Ha, yeah, all right. Though you explicitly said that you did NOT understand the doctrines. Now you basically understand the principles. Except, again, you don't. If you think the preachings of Christianity are about rolling over and getting walked on, you don't understand them either.

Here's an aphorism for you: Anyone who resorts to correcting the spelling or grammar of their opponent in a bid to take a point has lost the argument.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:45 am

Prufrock wrote:Ha, yeah, all right. Though you explicitly said that you did NOT understand the doctrines. Now you basically understand the principles. Except, again, you don't. If you think the preachings of Christianity are about rolling over and getting walked on, you don't understand them either.

Here's an aphorism for you: Anyone who resorts to correcting the spelling or grammar of their opponent in a bid to take a point has lost the argument.
English is a bastard isn't it:
understand (verb)
1.perceive the intended meaning of (words, a language, or a speaker).
2.interpret or view (something) in a particular way.
3.be sympathetically or knowledgeably aware of the character or nature of.

subtle differences across meanings.

So, let’s revisit:

I post something that is called one of the most fxck witted posts ever to be posted on TW
And then on another thread to another poster I mention [quote” although having been labelled as posting the most fxck witted post ever on this forum, you obviously need to apply the fxckwit gauge on all the aphorisms”]

To which the original accuser responded with [quote ”as usual - way to fast to big yourself up! your post was labelled merely as ONE OF the most feck-witted things typed on this forum... you're not as special as you'd like to be...”] which was followed up by [quote “I'd stick to the brief copy and paste aphorisms if I were you - you're less confused with those...”]

Now , not understanding the doctrine (i.e. not being knowledgeably aware of the character or nature of) Turn the Other Cheek, but understanding (perceive the intended meaning of) the principle to be “a phrase in Christian doctrine that refers to responding to insult without revenge” I merely asked whether he, as a Chrisian pastor, held it as relevant.

Now it is an interesting comment on how different people perceive the same events that whereas I saw thebish’s remarks as being snidey revenge statements to my mild insult of snidely quoting his original remark out of context (i.e him not turning the other cheek), you see it as me not understanding* the doctrines of Christianity
*although we still need to define which meaning of understand you understand by that.


By the way, he too made a grammatical error when I was told that I was “way to fast to big yourself up!”, but me mentioning it now means I’ve lost this argument too.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:05 pm

First of all, let's keep it friendly (hard to do when discussing religion, I admit). :wink:

"Turning the other cheek":

To either pretend not to understand this, or even worse, criticise it as (insert usual insults about religion) is rather naive, is it not? The meaning is quite clear unless people wish it to be otherwise. The Pru version ( either playing devil's advocate or actually knowing nothing about Christianity?) has it as hypocritical by relating Jesus's reactions as a man to a principal made in the name of God. That Jesus, (albeit the son of God) as a man should be angry that his father's house of prayer was being used as a market place is somehow abnormal?. Everything Jesus did/taught was the principals of Christianity whilst he himself, in human form, suffered every feeling and frailty, anger, fear, sorrow and despair that exists there. He knew he was about to die and experienced all these things whilst also knowing/telling Peter he would deny him thrice etc. The principals of Christianity, therefore, and the actions of Jesus as a man are not so much contradictory as human failing. This is our own condition. I know Spotski has connection with a ethereal being who lives in a cave in the Lake District, and Pru has a degree in controversy and fault finding far superior to normal humans, but neither have yet performed any miracles or achieved God-like status. (They'll also probably never meet as Pru is a secret electronic cig puffer and we all know where that goes in the Spotski rule-book) :D

Everything done/said about religion since the time of the Ten Commandments is man orchestrated, not Godly. Popes' Rabbis' Imams' Dali Llamas' and all other spiritual leaders are men and subject to the human condition with all its faults. Although they supposedly act in the name of God, their actions and decisions are those of men. Thus, the choice of seeing things is our own entirely. The rules are simple enough; obeying them not quite so.
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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by thebish » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:32 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:The Pru version ( either playing devil's advocate or actually knowing nothing about Christianity?) has it as hypocritical by relating Jesus's reactions as a man to a principal made in the name of God. That Jesus, (albeit the son of God) as a man should be angry that his father's house of prayer was being used as a market place is somehow abnormal?.

to be fair to Pru - why not, eh? - that is probably as near to the polar opposite of what his view is as could possibly be stated in a forum post.

Jesus's "turning the other cheek" shizzle was a radical call to direct non-violent protest. Pru's view - unless I am more mistaken than it is possible to be on a Monday afternoon - is precisely this - and that "turn the other cheek" is not an invitation to the kind of meek, quiet submission to injustice that leaves people to be treated as doormats...

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Re: Aphorism Of The Day

Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:46 pm

thebish wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:The Pru version ( either playing devil's advocate or actually knowing nothing about Christianity?) has it as hypocritical by relating Jesus's reactions as a man to a principal made in the name of God. That Jesus, (albeit the son of God) as a man should be angry that his father's house of prayer was being used as a market place is somehow abnormal?.

to be fair to Pru - why not, eh? - that is probably as near to the polar opposite of what his view is as could possibly be stated in a forum post.

Jesus's "turning the other cheek" shizzle was a radical call to direct non-violent protest. Pru's view - unless I am more mistaken than it is possible to be on a Monday afternoon - is precisely this - and that "turn the other cheek" is not an invitation to the kind of meek, quiet submission to injustice that leaves people to be treated as doormats...
And I have nowhere said it was. Surely it doesn't take a genius to understand that common sense should apply to the principal or its interpretation? Pru's views are based on a total disbelief in God and as such not overtly important anyway, but even so I'm sure (as I said) there's always a touch of devil's advocate in what he posts on religion. The fact that you could be wrong isn't beyond the bounds of possibility.
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