The wonderful EU and Migration thread!

[Hoboh]

By the way I missed this little nugget about how the EU means we get 'cheap food'.

The compromise plan could see the UK giving the EU a bigger proportion of its VAT receipts, customs duties or levies on imports of agricultural produce.

They do already yet Europhiles tell us food will be dearer on the free market?

Liars or leaders or<cough> project fear <cough> ?

[Worthy4England]

The "conspired at behind closed doors" - that's what negotiations and politics is like - it isn't going away anytime soon. They aren't imposing anything without our elected representatives having a say in it.

Things change over time, I agree entirely that future changes in the EU might mean that "leave" becomes a much more reasoned option, maybe by then, they'll have some sort of plan for it eh? We can choose through our elected representatives (in a well 'ard Sovereign like manner) to leave, should we so wish.

No vote of the electorate required.

[Hoboh]

The "conspired at behind closed doors" - that's what negotiations and politics is like - it isn't going away anytime soon. They aren't imposing anything without our elected representatives having a say in it.

Things change over time, I agree entirely that future changes in the EU might mean that "leave" becomes a much more reasoned option, maybe by then, they'll have some sort of plan for it eh? We can choose through our elected representatives (in a well 'ard Sovereign like manner) to leave, should we so wish.

No vote of the electorate required.

Never had you down as a chap who doesn't read the small print, even if it's too small to read at all and kinda invisible

[Hoboh]

Well, well, well it seems the Brexit option has actually made the EU think seriously about reforms, I just wonder why the dumb asses could not of done it earlier, perhaps it was because the Brits were murmuring about reform and some people's arrogance would not let them contemplate it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... al-members" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some wonderful lines in here.

A two-speed Europe would allow a core of countries to press ahead with closer cooperation and integration on finance, tax and security, leaving a peripheral group to continue in a looser federation.
The Italian prime minister, Paolo Gentiloni, calling for a single EU welfare system and action against austerity, said recently in London that greater integration was essential to respond to “the illusions of populism”.
But countries likely to be outside the core, such as Poland, fear that the inner group would start to take unilateral decisions with a continent-wide effect. They were aghast that the first draft of the Rome declaration made no mention of the nation state, and are wary of an EU with an integrationist group at its core.

The powerful head of Poland’s ruling party, Jaroslaw Kaczyński, last week warned after meeting Merkel that any move toward a two-speed European Union would lead to the bloc falling apart, as well as the end of her political career in German elections later this year.
A two-speed Europe would lead to the “breakdown, and in fact the liquidation, of the European Union in its current sense”, he said.

The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, worried that internal divisions could be exploited by the UK in the Brexit talks, is understood to be keen to minimise talk of a rift. He said on Sunday he still saw the Rome summit taking place on 25 March as largely celebratory and challenged advocates of a two-speed EU to be more precise about how it would function.

Part one of reform, after the horse has bolted!