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Thinking about it -
the remain is campaigning for the status quo - it's harder to argue positively for the status quo, especially if you accept that the status quo isn't perfect (which it isn't) - the only route on offer is to argue that the status quo is better than the alternative - which involves highlighting the possible effects of the alternative...
the brexit campaign is arguing for change. it seems to me that to justify that change the onus is on them to tell us how much better it will be and why.
the whols scenario has an almost inbuilt drive for remain to exaggerate bad stuff and for brexit to make ludicrous brash promises... which is what's happening.
the remain is campaigning for the status quo - it's harder to argue positively for the status quo, especially if you accept that the status quo isn't perfect (which it isn't) - the only route on offer is to argue that the status quo is better than the alternative - which involves highlighting the possible effects of the alternative...
the brexit campaign is arguing for change. it seems to me that to justify that change the onus is on them to tell us how much better it will be and why.
the whols scenario has an almost inbuilt drive for remain to exaggerate bad stuff and for brexit to make ludicrous brash promises... which is what's happening.
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Aye. Same as the Scottish referendum. And it wouldn't surprise me if this had a similar outcome.thebish wrote:Thinking about it -
the remain is campaigning for the status quo - it's harder to argue positively for the status quo, especially if you accept that the status quo isn't perfect (which it isn't) - the only route on offer is to argue that the status quo is better than the alternative - which involves highlighting the possible effects of the alternative...
the brexit campaign is arguing for change. it seems to me that to justify that change the onus is on them to tell us how much better it will be and why.
the whols scenario has an almost inbuilt drive for remain to exaggerate bad stuff and for brexit to make ludicrous brash promises... which is what's happening.
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There you go, now some sense! Your fannies are stilled.
Not a chance the British public fall for the idea that there's a global conspiracy including, but not limited to, the IMF, World Bank, US govt, national govts of other European countries, our chancellor and the governor of the BofE, to subdue us over with a vague conspiracy, and that we should ditch it for some vaguely articulated benefits.
Not a chance the British public fall for the idea that there's a global conspiracy including, but not limited to, the IMF, World Bank, US govt, national govts of other European countries, our chancellor and the governor of the BofE, to subdue us over with a vague conspiracy, and that we should ditch it for some vaguely articulated benefits.
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Mervyn King, at not the current Canadian incumbent.thebish wrote:Bruce Rioja wrote:Big Dave was ont' telly this morning saying how we'll be headed towards fiscal hell in a handcart if we opt out, yet offered not a solitary shed of corroboration. For feck's sake, there are only three weeks left and not one person is supporting their take on the issue with anything worthwhile.
well - without the hell in a handcart language - economic warnings about brexit have been backed up by just about every reputable economic source - it's not BigDave's fault if folk choose to dismiss them all... who would you like corroboration from?
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Actually, you see, the exit camp have far more on the agenda than one plank, money.Worthy4England wrote:That didn't take long to move from "no one can really tell the truth Bruce" to we can keep out the "Roma and other types"...
Brexit is telling everyone who wants to listen that trade agreements will be better - so clearly not the plank of the multi-nationals.
Funny how your hero's either side step questions on anything else or choose not to debate them.
Cameron cannot get away from any discussion on migration fast enough and just pays lip service to any 'EU rules and regulation', when the bloke was saying the other day that we cannot let migration and the movement of people get in the way of the economy, it merely confirmed whose favours the bloke is after.
Just who are the one trick ponies in this vote?
Not the exit camp.
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I guess it's either evade the question or just barefaced lie. Like Boris on the £350m.
Pot/Kettle.
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I wish they'd just get the bloody vote over with, seeing all the politicians and knobs, from either side every day is getting irritating.
I reckon most have made their minds up anyway on this issue.
I reckon most have made their minds up anyway on this issue.
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And here's another thing. Wankers like Farridge banging on about this £350M - what's the nett contribution.? We receive a shitload back in subsidies?!Worthy4England wrote:I guess it's either evade the question or just barefaced lie. Like Boris on the £350m.
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Aye, in reality, it's only about 250 million quid or summat. Peanuts..
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Care to corroborate that?Bijou Bob wrote:Aye, in reality, it's only about 250 million quid or summat. Peanuts..
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Bruce Rioja wrote:Care to corroborate that?Bijou Bob wrote:Aye, in reality, it's only about 250 million quid or summat. Peanuts..
it'sa less than £250million if you net out what we get back...
thus:
and that does not take into account the trade benefits of being in it...
in short - the £350million is sheer bollox and the £250million figure is slightly less sheer bollox...
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meanwhile...
Brexit protestor tries to burn the EU flag, but can’t because of EU regulation on flammable materials...
Brexit protestor tries to burn the EU flag, but can’t because of EU regulation on flammable materials...
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I'd like to think I earned some kudos for calling the General Election despite received wisdom.
I say now, be careful of complacency. This country is stacked to the rafters with xenophobic, insular, Daily Mail reading arseholes. The result is far from certain.
I say now, be careful of complacency. This country is stacked to the rafters with xenophobic, insular, Daily Mail reading arseholes. The result is far from certain.
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Not possible.Lord Kangana wrote:I'd like to think I earned some kudos for calling the General Election despite received wisdom.
I say now, be careful of complacency. This country is stacked to the rafters with xenophobic, insular, Daily Mail reading arseholes. The result is far from certain.
Pru told us 2 years ago that this who votie thingie was pointless as there's no way there'd be anything like an out majority.
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There isn't. There's certainly too many daily mail reading thickos, but there weren't enough to win elections for the Tories for like a jillion years before they figured out there's not enough daily mail reading thickos to win you elections.
People the world over are conservative. British people feel especially so. Shit's not all that broken, and no way have leave made a convincing case. It's just, like, 20 people filling up Facebook feeds with daily mail links. There's a feck load of people quietly ready to vote remain hoping they can get through the next three weeks.
For like the millionth time: Referendums against the status quo need about a ten point poll lead to win. People just think "meh, how bad is it really?". Ain't happening. Bestill thy fannies.
People the world over are conservative. British people feel especially so. Shit's not all that broken, and no way have leave made a convincing case. It's just, like, 20 people filling up Facebook feeds with daily mail links. There's a feck load of people quietly ready to vote remain hoping they can get through the next three weeks.
For like the millionth time: Referendums against the status quo need about a ten point poll lead to win. People just think "meh, how bad is it really?". Ain't happening. Bestill thy fannies.
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Regarding this both sides have been really unprofessional. It's like children throwing toys out of the pram. Mind you that's politics these days it's like a school playground no longer like the good old debates they had between the left and the right (Tony Benn and Enoch Powell).
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I'm expecting a 100% vote for Brexit based on a few people saying 'but everyone I know is voting leave, the polls must be wrong'Prufrock wrote:There isn't. There's certainly too many daily mail reading thickos, but there weren't enough to win elections for the Tories for like a jillion years before they figured out there's not enough daily mail reading thickos to win you elections.
People the world over are conservative. British people feel especially so. Shit's not all that broken, and no way have leave made a convincing case. It's just, like, 20 people filling up Facebook feeds with daily mail links. There's a feck load of people quietly ready to vote remain hoping they can get through the next three weeks.
For like the millionth time: Referendums against the status quo need about a ten point poll lead to win. People just think "meh, how bad is it really?". Ain't happening. Bestill thy fannies.
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Fairy Nuff. Are you trying to tell me that 161 million plus is still peanuts? I'm still on the Remain side, yet even I think that's a heck of a lot of money.thebish wrote:Bruce Rioja wrote:Care to corroborate that?Bijou Bob wrote:Aye, in reality, it's only about 250 million quid or summat. Peanuts..
it'sa less than £250million if you net out what we get back...
thus:
and that does not take into account the trade benefits of being in it...
in short - the £350million is sheer bollox and the £250million figure is slightly less sheer bollox...
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Between £150-250m nett a week to be told what we can't do and generally be told we're a bunch of w@nkers has always seemed quite a lot to me.
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It's just over 1% of everything we spend (we spend around £760 Bn per annum)...So yes, pretty much in the "peanuts" category.Bijou Bob wrote:Fairy Nuff. Are you trying to tell me that 161 million plus is still peanuts? I'm still on the Remain side, yet even I think that's a heck of a lot of money.thebish wrote:Bruce Rioja wrote:Care to corroborate that?Bijou Bob wrote:Aye, in reality, it's only about 250 million quid or summat. Peanuts..
it'sa less than £250million if you net out what we get back...
thus:
and that does not take into account the trade benefits of being in it...
in short - the £350million is sheer bollox and the £250million figure is slightly less sheer bollox...
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