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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:08 am

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What is Trump going to do? well for starters he can upset the Chinese economic growth, big time and have most of the US population backing him if he stops being a bit of a tool.

India? I think you will find that the Indian economy revolves around a smaller few than our much hated elite, who btw have suitable bolt holes out of the country if things go belly up, with the neighbours they have nothing is guaranteed long term.

I'd love to know just where you sit at times, one minute you are socialist devotee, next your supporting globalisation as if it is the be all and end all.

I back free and fair trade, not trade with people who pay peanuts, live in supreme luxury whilst people literally starve to death at the same time as undercutting the importing countries labour costs and swamping markets with their goods at will and totally unhindered.
It is far easier for the Chinese in most markets than it is for us and others to reciprocate and that's before you get to copying and stealing the designs of others, Chinese motorcycles for example, are, more or less ringers for goods produced in Japan, Italy etc.
I may stand to be corrected, but when the Japanese car industry was setting up plants over here part of the deal to enjoy certain benefits was a % of each car was to be sourced in the UK and not imported just to create assembly lines. This spreads money around the economy and is surely a reputable way to do business.
What I am dead against is the tossers who shift all production overseas to these 'cheap' countries with the claim it makes goods cheaper, carry on down that route and no bugger will be able, or at least only a few, will be able to purchase their goods in a shrinking market. We are not there yet but it is coming.
See the problem with you is you're obsessed with labels.

Globalisation is happening, whether I want it to or not. And nobody is putting back that baby. It is out the bag. Deal with it.

The idea that the UK can compete in global markets with the best of everything and none of the "downsides" is about as nonsensical as it comes.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:18 am

Lord Kangana wrote:Just to be clear here, would hoboh back our government if they protected out steel industry against cheap Chinese imports by imposing trade tariffs?
Yes

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:32 am

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What is Trump going to do? well for starters he can upset the Chinese economic growth, big time and have most of the US population backing him if he stops being a bit of a tool.

India? I think you will find that the Indian economy revolves around a smaller few than our much hated elite, who btw have suitable bolt holes out of the country if things go belly up, with the neighbours they have nothing is guaranteed long term.

I'd love to know just where you sit at times, one minute you are socialist devotee, next your supporting globalisation as if it is the be all and end all.

I back free and fair trade, not trade with people who pay peanuts, live in supreme luxury whilst people literally starve to death at the same time as undercutting the importing countries labour costs and swamping markets with their goods at will and totally unhindered.
It is far easier for the Chinese in most markets than it is for us and others to reciprocate and that's before you get to copying and stealing the designs of others, Chinese motorcycles for example, are, more or less ringers for goods produced in Japan, Italy etc.
I may stand to be corrected, but when the Japanese car industry was setting up plants over here part of the deal to enjoy certain benefits was a % of each car was to be sourced in the UK and not imported just to create assembly lines. This spreads money around the economy and is surely a reputable way to do business.
What I am dead against is the tossers who shift all production overseas to these 'cheap' countries with the claim it makes goods cheaper, carry on down that route and no bugger will be able, or at least only a few, will be able to purchase their goods in a shrinking market. We are not there yet but it is coming.
See the problem with you is you're obsessed with labels.

Globalisation is happening, whether I want it to or not. And nobody is putting back that baby. It is out the bag. Deal with it.

The idea that the UK can compete in global markets with the best of everything and none of the "downsides" is about as nonsensical as it comes.
Bull shit!

Politically motivated whiners are the ones who constantly trot out the 'nothing can be done' mantra, mainly due to a lack of balls.

Like it or not, wars or revolutions will eventually be fought to stop the mess we are heading into, there really is the scenario were there is 'nothing you can do about it'.
I think the label snowflake is far better than calling others with a different political view thick and stupid cnuts, globalization better than robbing, bent, dodgy sheep shaggers ripping everyone off whilst pretending they are the power or Socialists are unreformed commie wankers who'd run the world in the image of uncle Joe.

Labels! 'kin 'ell man, all the shit going on and all you can do is moan about labels.
Your almost as bad as the bunch of halfwit sorry socialist Corbyn supporters.
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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:40 am

Worthy4England wrote:^^ Delighted Hobes has finally backed foreign aid whilst living in his comparative luxury, here in the UK. Although I'm rather hoping, given that he's so keen to remove job prospects from them, by returning production to the UK that he'll be increasing the foreign aid budget for the increased number that will "literally starve to death" when their jobs come back to the UK. I am a little unclear as to the impact he thinks this may have on prices?
You may not be surprised to learn that what happens in the UK is of more importance to me than overseas.

Foreign aid would only exist as a pot to be used in the event of earthquakes or natural disasters, nothing else, period. No natural disaster the pot rolls over etc. etc. Not a % of GDP or added too every year.
Oh yes some prices will rise but in large monetary markets like the UK competition will eventually drive those down.
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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:11 am

Hoboh wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:Just to be clear here, would hoboh back our government if they protected out steel industry against cheap Chinese imports by imposing trade tariffs?
Yes
So I take it you were furious with George Osbourne when he vetoed the EU decision to do just that then?
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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:28 am

Lord Kangana wrote:
Hoboh wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:Just to be clear here, would hoboh back our government if they protected out steel industry against cheap Chinese imports by imposing trade tariffs?
Yes
So I take it you were furious with George Osbourne when he vetoed the EU decision to do just that then?
Yes, just as much as I was angry with Merkel for inviting migrants to tramp throughout Europe.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:35 am

So migration, not trade, is the major issue for you then?
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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:45 am

Lord Kangana wrote:So migration, not trade, is the major issue for you then?
Migration and the organisation and political expansion of the EU always was the problem.
John Major, reluctantly agreed that the so called 'free trade' hindered certain parts of the UK economy and with the unwillingness to change that did bring a certain aspect of trade into it, but it wasn't the be all and end all.

So in short, no, migration was not the main and only major problem with the EU.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:21 pm

Hoboh wrote:
Bull shit!

Politically motivated whiners are the ones who constantly trot out the 'nothing can be done' mantra, mainly due to a lack of balls.

Like it or not, wars or revolutions will eventually be fought to stop the mess we are heading into, there really is the scenario were there is 'nothing you can do about it'.
I think the label snowflake is far better than calling others with a different political view thick and stupid cnuts, globalization better than robbing, bent, dodgy sheep shaggers ripping everyone off whilst pretending they are the power or Socialists are unreformed commie wankers who'd run the world in the image of uncle Joe.

Labels! 'kin 'ell man, all the shit going on and all you can do is moan about labels.
Your almost as bad as the bunch of halfwit sorry socialist Corbyn supporters.
Our PM before the referendum said that we were "better off in the EU". She said that it would be "possible to negotiate trade deals from outside but they'd be on worse terms than if we were within the common market".

She's about as right wing as they come. Those were her views pre vote. Now she's telling us, that "hey its going to be great, we'll get all the deals we need and on better terms too and none of the concessions we previously made".

So, which time do you think she was lying? When she was a quiet voice in the remain campaign who had very little reason to bother spinning, or when she is thrust into the role of PM and has the massive problem of negotiating an exit dumped on her desk?

Why do you think the civil service is breaking out into a cold sweat? Its because these people know how tough this will be. They've been dealing with the EU for a long time. They know we won't get this beautiful deal May has outlined. She knows it too. Its why she is threatening the EU already.

It's why Boris is today asking the EU not to give Britain "punishment style beatings".

Even if you take the dimmest and lowest view of the EU. Ask yourself, IF they let the UK walk away with this magical deal, why would ANY of their member states want to stay in? It is very easy to understand why we won't get this deal.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:27 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:
Bull shit!

Politically motivated whiners are the ones who constantly trot out the 'nothing can be done' mantra, mainly due to a lack of balls.

Like it or not, wars or revolutions will eventually be fought to stop the mess we are heading into, there really is the scenario were there is 'nothing you can do about it'.
I think the label snowflake is far better than calling others with a different political view thick and stupid cnuts, globalization better than robbing, bent, dodgy sheep shaggers ripping everyone off whilst pretending they are the power or Socialists are unreformed commie wankers who'd run the world in the image of uncle Joe.

Labels! 'kin 'ell man, all the shit going on and all you can do is moan about labels.
Your almost as bad as the bunch of halfwit sorry socialist Corbyn supporters.
Our PM before the referendum said that we were "better off in the EU". She said that it would be "possible to negotiate trade deals from outside but they'd be on worse terms than if we were within the common market".

She's about as right wing as they come. Those were her views pre vote. Now she's telling us, that "hey its going to be great, we'll get all the deals we need and on better terms too and none of the concessions we previously made".

So, which time do you think she was lying? When she was a quiet voice in the remain campaign who had very little reason to bother spinning, or when she is thrust into the role of PM and has the massive problem of negotiating an exit dumped on her desk?

Why do you think the civil service is breaking out into a cold sweat? Its because these people know how tough this will be. They've been dealing with the EU for a long time. They know we won't get this beautiful deal May has outlined. She knows it too. Its why she is threatening the EU already.

It's why Boris is today asking the EU not to give Britain "punishment style beatings".

Even if you take the dimmest and lowest view of the EU. Ask yourself, IF they let the UK walk away with this magical deal, why would ANY of their member states want to stay in? It is very easy to understand why we won't get this deal.
I'd say the civil service is breaking out in a cold sweat with the prospect of actually having to do something for a change.

Easy for Hollande to say anything, he's a dead duck politically.

If the EU had genuinely any plan to reform and had not enlarged to the extent it did (Yes I accept that some Wilber's on our part went along with it) it could have worked and the Euro may well have turned out to be a good currency. They haven't, won't and undoing the mess now is impossible, only a two tier EU would work and I doubt that would ever leave the dock.

On the question of May, the jury is well and truly out at present, call her all you like but currently there is no alternative.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Lord Kangana » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:28 pm

:lol: No alternative.

You need to lower the dose of Daily Mail, sunshine.
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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:19 pm

Lord Kangana wrote::lol: No alternative.

You need to lower the dose of Daily Mail, sunshine.
Who?

A slightly reformed commie from the 70's, greens with daft ideas and a totally unaffordable manifesto or a plastic scouser with the guile and charm of a dead fish?

Go on who is the alternative?

Just for the record I have never ever voted Conservative, voted Labour a few times in the past but mostly Liberal/LibDems until that prick Clegg turned them almost into a mirror image of the US democratic party and threw all his principles on the fire to get into power.
I admit the last time going for UKIP because I wanted a referendum and because in local elections I'd sooner plait sand than vote for the fat controllers yes men.

Hardly the voting record of an ultra right winger is it?
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:31 pm

Hoboh wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote::lol: No alternative.

You need to lower the dose of Daily Mail, sunshine.
Who?

A slightly reformed commie from the 70's, greens with daft ideas and a totally unaffordable manifesto or a plastic scouser with the guile and charm of a dead fish?

Go on who is the alternative?

Just for the record I have never ever voted Conservative, voted Labour a few times in the past but mostly Liberal/LibDems until that prick Clegg turned them almost into a mirror image of the US democratic party and threw all his priciples on the fire to get into power.
I admit the last time going for UKIP because I wanted a referendum and because in local elections I'd sooner plait sand than vote for the fat controllers yes men.

Hardly the voting record of an ultra right winger is it?
Not sure May is any better. She has a tendency for the worst traits of the right, coupled with a complete lack of clarity.

Frankly it's a hugely depressing state of affairs. British politics must be the laughing stock of the world right now, or rather it would be but for Trump.

Thankfully the shambles won't last forever.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Prufrock » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:49 pm

Went to see Keir Starmer tonight. Keep the faith.
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Be more kind, my friends, try to be more kind.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by LeverEnd » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:58 pm

Prufrock wrote:Went to see Keir Starmer tonight. Keep the faith.
Did he tell any good gags?
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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:37 am

Hoboh wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:^^ Delighted Hobes has finally backed foreign aid whilst living in his comparative luxury, here in the UK. Although I'm rather hoping, given that he's so keen to remove job prospects from them, by returning production to the UK that he'll be increasing the foreign aid budget for the increased number that will "literally starve to death" when their jobs come back to the UK. I am a little unclear as to the impact he thinks this may have on prices?
You may not be surprised to learn that what happens in the UK is of more importance to me than overseas.

Foreign aid would only exist as a pot to be used in the event of earthquakes or natural disasters, nothing else, period. No natural disaster the pot rolls over etc. etc. Not a % of GDP or added too every year.
Oh yes some prices will rise but in large monetary markets like the UK competition will eventually drive those down.
Make hay whilst the sunshine's we need to prepare for the robot age.
Nowt to do with me. :evil:

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:26 am

Worthy4England wrote:
Hoboh wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:^^ Delighted Hobes has finally backed foreign aid whilst living in his comparative luxury, here in the UK. Although I'm rather hoping, given that he's so keen to remove job prospects from them, by returning production to the UK that he'll be increasing the foreign aid budget for the increased number that will "literally starve to death" when their jobs come back to the UK. I am a little unclear as to the impact he thinks this may have on prices?
You may not be surprised to learn that what happens in the UK is of more importance to me than overseas.

Foreign aid would only exist as a pot to be used in the event of earthquakes or natural disasters, nothing else, period. No natural disaster the pot rolls over etc. etc. Not a % of GDP or added too every year.
Oh yes some prices will rise but in large monetary markets like the UK competition will eventually drive those down.
Make hay whilst the sunshine's we need to prepare for the robot age.
Nowt to do with me. :evil:

I'm currently working on IPB which stands for Intelligent Post Bot. I'm rather hoping I can replace you with it. :D
:lol:
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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Prufrock » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:51 am

We've got a pretty good idea, pal.
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That it's going to lose its mind
Be more kind, my friends, try to be more kind.

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Re: Brexit or Britin

Post by Hoboh » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:17 am

Prufrock wrote:We've got a pretty good idea, pal.
Ahhh, ditched Facebook then?

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