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[BWFC_Insane]

Well. That's it then. Best overturn democracy on this basis !

75 people attend a pro-Europe gathering in Cardiff

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Was the Welsh, knee trembler, warbler there as well? Seems to poke her nose into everything these days.

I don't think Bobo was there... no.

I literally haven't a clue who Hoboh is referring to. I must be missing something here?

[bobo the clown]

Charlotte Church


... & I think it was probably a bit early for her to be up. It started at 11am.

[Worthy4England]

I'm absolutely delighted that the HUGE amount that we give the EU every week, seems to being cut dramatically. Asked whether just £100m would be going to the NHS or cutting VAT on fuel seemed to be too tricky a question for our new leader in chief. But £100m - who'd have thought it.

[Enoch]

Thought this a well written piece when I read it Saturday. The online version is a bit busy for my taste. Guess attention spans are in decline.

Warning: Lots of flashing lights and stuff

[BWFC_Insane]

Thought this a well written piece when I read it Saturday. The online version is a bit busy for my taste. Guess attention spans are in decline.

Warning: Lots of flashing lights and stuff

Written by a bloke who who stood as a Labour MP under Blair, then decided he was a Tory and loved Cameron. Aye. Everything eventually makes mistakes and goes out of fashion. I'm not really sure what the point here is? It seems to be suggesting that liberalism (undefined) is a pervasive movement that Thatcher, Clinton(s), Cameron, Blair etc are all a part of. When the reality is that it is surely a reaction to social trends and economic realities?

I just think it's a bit rich to lump quite a lot of disparate political figures together and try to make out that their (non-existent) collective philosophy failed because they all independently and in quite different eras fecked up? Every politician and leader fecks up and their ideas tend to suffer for it.

[Lord Kangana]

Liberalism isn't Neo-Liberalism.

He could have saved himself the hassle of half an hour of his time with that one sentence.

[bedwetter2]

Liberalism isn't Neo-Liberalism.

He could have saved himself the hassle of half an hour of his time with that one sentence.

Oh the politically motivated and fellow travelers love labels. 'Liberalism' or 'Neo-Liberalism' are meaningless, shit words possibly used to bamboozle the less sophisticated. As are many other words in the accuser's lexicon. Every single person on this planet is slightly different in the way they think or act.

[Lord Kangana]

Sorry, are criticising me or the article that held Liberalism to blame?

[bedwetter2]

Sorry, are criticising me or the article that held Liberalism to blame?

No, I wasn't being critical of you. The journalists using nothing words are the only ones needing to be condemned for laziness.

[Hoboh]

You know, aren't Remainers a bitter, sad. lot?

Just recently read a few articles about our relationship with the EU and the comments section seems full of near suicidal, hysterical bitter, 'end of days' contributions, the latest a discussion by the EU, discussion mind, about visa's.

Fcuk me, these mard arses are spreading Cameron's line of doom and gloom and nothing is happening.

SNOWFLAKES, not pretty but lethal, still they eventually melt away.

[Lord Kangana]

[thebish]

You know, aren't Remainers a bitter, sad. lot?

Just recently read a few articles about our relationship with the EU and the comments section seems full of near suicidal, hysterical bitter, 'end of days' contributions, the latest a discussion by the EU, discussion mind, about visa's.

Fcuk me, these mard arses are spreading Cameron's line of doom and gloom and nothing is happening.

SNOWFLAKES, not pretty but lethal, still they eventually melt away.

let it go, Hobes - you're just sounding a bit bitter and obsessed! you got what you wanted - chill! find another fight to fight!

[Hoboh]

You know, aren't Remainers a bitter, sad. lot?

Just recently read a few articles about our relationship with the EU and the comments section seems full of near suicidal, hysterical bitter, 'end of days' contributions, the latest a discussion by the EU, discussion mind, about visa's.

Fcuk me, these mard arses are spreading Cameron's line of doom and gloom and nothing is happening.

SNOWFLAKES, not pretty but lethal, still they eventually melt away.

let it go, Hobes - you're just sounding a bit bitter and obsessed! you got what you wanted - chill! find another fight to fight!

Actually jollying in the pain of the mard arse, always right, only our way is the correct way types.

[thebish]

You know, aren't Remainers a bitter, sad. lot?

Just recently read a few articles about our relationship with the EU and the comments section seems full of near suicidal, hysterical bitter, 'end of days' contributions, the latest a discussion by the EU, discussion mind, about visa's.

Fcuk me, these mard arses are spreading Cameron's line of doom and gloom and nothing is happening.

SNOWFLAKES, not pretty but lethal, still they eventually melt away.

let it go, Hobes - you're just sounding a bit bitter and obsessed! you got what you wanted - chill! find another fight to fight!

Actually jollying in the pain of the mard arse, always right, only our way is the correct way types.

whatever makes you happy...

[BWFC_Insane]

You know, aren't Remainers a bitter, sad. lot?

Just recently read a few articles about our relationship with the EU and the comments section seems full of near suicidal, hysterical bitter, 'end of days' contributions, the latest a discussion by the EU, discussion mind, about visa's.

Fcuk me, these mard arses are spreading Cameron's line of doom and gloom and nothing is happening.

SNOWFLAKES, not pretty but lethal, still they eventually melt away.

let it go, Hobes - you're just sounding a bit bitter and obsessed! you got what you wanted - chill! find another fight to fight!

Actually jollying in the pain of the mard arse, always right, only our way is the correct way types.

You do realise you've just described yourself down to a tee don't ya?

[Hoboh]

You know, aren't Remainers a bitter, sad. lot?

Just recently read a few articles about our relationship with the EU and the comments section seems full of near suicidal, hysterical bitter, 'end of days' contributions, the latest a discussion by the EU, discussion mind, about visa's.

Fcuk me, these mard arses are spreading Cameron's line of doom and gloom and nothing is happening.

SNOWFLAKES, not pretty but lethal, still they eventually melt away.

let it go, Hobes - you're just sounding a bit bitter and obsessed! you got what you wanted - chill! find another fight to fight!

Actually jollying in the pain of the mard arse, always right, only our way is the correct way types.

You do realise you've just described yourself down to a tee don't ya?

I'd have thought it was more up your world street actually.

Just like the anti-Corbyn mob remainers, he wins an election, they don't like it, spit out dummies.

Never been able to figure what right these remainers had to drag us into a federal Europe against the wishes of some for a democratic choice.

Been a massive rush of all these ardent we love Europe types to settle in EU countries hasn't there?

Like the Euro/German dominated way of doing things, no one will stop you from leaving, just one thing, I doubt any Brit PM would openly announce a welcome invite to millions.
We know the love of champagne, hate Corbyn, Socialists, Blair did it but on the quiet, the nice person!

[Worthy4England]

Blair signed Lisbon. The treaty that gave countries the legal right to leave the EU. Who signed Maastricht?

[thebish]

meanwhile...

Leaders of the cross-party campaign that persuaded the British people to leave the EU have dropped their pre-referendum pledge of a £350m-a-week spending bonanza for the NHS.

Many of those who headed the Vote Leave campaign, including its former chair, Labour MP Gisela Stuart, and Michael Gove, the Tory former justice secretary, are re-forming this weekend, creating a new pressure group called Change Britain.

Other top names involved in the organisation, which says it is being established to help “deliver the UK’s referendum result in the most effective way”, include former chancellor Nigel (Lord) Lawson, Digby Jones, former head of the CBI, and David (Lord) Owen, the former Labour foreign secretary.

But despite the NHS pledge having been at the heart of their message in the run-up to the 23 June vote, and displayed on the official Vote Leave battlebus, the Change Britain website made no mention of the NHS in its manifesto about how to make a success of Brexit.

Instead, Change Britain said on its “Brexit Means Brexit” page that any savings made as a result of no longer having to pay into the EU budget (assuming the UK leaves the single market) should be spent on guaranteeing “continued funding for farming, science, universities and poorer regions of the UK”. The website was taken down, although cached versions of its pages were still accessible through search engines.

[Lord Kangana]

Ideas floated so far?

The financial services should be exempt from any changes to freedom of movement. They need it (whilst the rest of us don't, apparently!)
We'll be subsidising farming.

Remind me how that represents any change whatsoever?

[Gary the Enfield]

Ideas floated so far?

The financial services should be exempt from any changes to freedom of movement. They need it (whilst the rest of us don't, apparently!)
We'll be subsidising farming.

Remind me how that represents any change whatsoever?

We got our country back?