Someone set fire to Winter Hill

[Montreal Wanderer]

An odd thing to do. I hope he was not a TW member and that the fires are put out with no danger to humans and livestock.

[TANGODANCER]

An odd thing to do. I hope he was not a TW member and that the fires are put out with no danger to humans and livestock.

It was pretty bad Monty, following on from the Saddleworth fire that was so widespread they had to call the army in to help fight it.

[Prufrock]

Cousin's getting married tomorrow so we drove back tonight. Whole fecking house smells like a bonfire. What a bell-end.

[Dujon]

I hadn't heard of this (why should I?) although I was aware of the Peak District conflagration. So I had a quick squiz at news stories.

From the BBC

About 100 firefighters, who resumed their work at first light

Do they really knock off at sunset, have a cup of tea and a quick lie down before venturing out into the dawn? Holy smoke!

[Bruce Rioja]

An odd thing to do. I hope he was not a TW member and that the fires are put out with no danger to humans and livestock.

It was pretty bad Monty, following on from the Saddleworth fire that was so widespread they had to call the army in to help fight it.

"Was pretty bad", Tango? Looking at it from the back bedroom window the whole thing currently looks beyond any control.

Here's the local rag's take;

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/163 ... of-bolton/

[TANGODANCER]

B.N report at 7-25 tonight:

"We've heard that, despite brave firefighters working tirelessly around the clock to tackle the Winter Hill and Scout Road fires, people have been spotted lighting fires near Scout Road.

Fire crews near Scout Road had to stamp out a fire they saw people lighting, in an area of moorland which, up until now, had escaped the fire."

What is the matter with these peoples' heads?

[Prufrock]

Don't know, but they want separating from their bodies.

According to Facebook, there were knobheads in Adlington today sending up Chinese lanterns!!

[BWFC_Insane]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

[malcd1]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

What is shameful is the rubbish you talk sometimes. If the Bolton (or even North west) fire brigade had 50 all-terrain vehicles at their disposal on the off-chance of a major incident like this you would be saying what a waste of money. They would be gathering dust until they fell to bits. The fire brigade cannot have an infinity amount of vehicles lying around for every incident that may just happen.

[BWFC_Insane]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

What is shameful is the rubbish you talk sometimes. If the Bolton (or even North west) fire brigade had 50 all-terrain vehicles at their disposal on the off-chance of a major incident like this you would be saying what a waste of money. They would be gathering dust until they fell to bits. The fire brigade cannot have an infinity amount of vehicles lying around for every incident that may just happen.

Go and talk to the firemen (when they're not fighting this thing) and ask them if they are even barely adequately resourced.....

Have you spoken to them? Do you know how much they've been decimated in the last decade. Perhaps you should investigate before calling someone's more informed view "rubbish".

[malcd1]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

What is shameful is the rubbish you talk sometimes. If the Bolton (or even North west) fire brigade had 50 all-terrain vehicles at their disposal on the off-chance of a major incident like this you would be saying what a waste of money. They would be gathering dust until they fell to bits. The fire brigade cannot have an infinity amount of vehicles lying around for every incident that may just happen.

Go and talk to the firemen (when they're not fighting this thing) and ask them if they are even barely adequately resourced.....

Have you spoken to them? Do you know how much they've been decimated in the last decade. Perhaps you should investigate before calling someone's more informed view "rubbish".

Yes I know a few firefighters from my line of work and the fact you call them 'firemen' shows your knowledge is from watching repeats of Fireman Sam. I'm not saying they are haven't had their budget cut or would prefer more firefighters but you said it was shameful that the fire brigade have to rely on handouts and begging for specialist vehicles meaning they should have loads of these all terrain vehicles at their disposal. What I am saying is you are talking bollocks. Even if their budget was doubled they still wouldn't have these specialist vehicles. The brigade wouldn't waste their money on transportation that would get equipment or water up to the top of Winter Hill over the moors that might only be used once every blue moon.

Why don't you do some research yourself and see what is on the market to get water and equipment up soft, uneven ground to almost inaccessible locations. Some of the best vehicles for that are things like tractors, which is why the fire brigade have been asking for help to get fire fighting water up there.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

What is shameful is the rubbish you talk sometimes. If the Bolton (or even North west) fire brigade had 50 all-terrain vehicles at their disposal on the off-chance of a major incident like this you would be saying what a waste of money. They would be gathering dust until they fell to bits. The fire brigade cannot have an infinity amount of vehicles lying around for every incident that may just happen.

Go and talk to the firemen (when they're not fighting this thing) and ask them if they are even barely adequately resourced.....

Have you spoken to them? Do you know how much they've been decimated in the last decade. Perhaps you should investigate before calling someone's more informed view "rubbish".

Yes I know a few firefighters from my line of work and the fact you call them 'firemen' shows your knowledge is from watching repeats of Fireman Sam. I'm not saying they are have had their budget cut or would prefer more firefighters but you said it was shameful that the fire brigade have to rely on handouts and begging for specialist vehicles meaning they should have loads of these all terrain vehicles at their disposal. What I am saying is you are talking bollocks. Even if their budget was doubled they still wouldn't have these specialist vehicles. The brigade wouldn't waste their money on transportation that would get equipment or water up to the top of Winter Hill over the moors that might only be used once every blue moon.

Why don't you do some research yourself and see what is on the market to get water and equipment up soft, uneven ground to almost inaccessible locations. Some of the best vehicles for that are things like tractors, which is why the fire brigade have been asking for help to get fire fighting water up there.

We find water bombers most effective over difficult terrain - if you have none perhaps you could borrow some though our forest fire season is starting. Is Insano failing to use gender neutral language? For shame!

[malcd1]

BWFC Insane - This is the type of vehicle being used to traverse deep water gullies and even then just to take small water filled IBC's up Winter Hill.

[BWFC_Insane]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

What is shameful is the rubbish you talk sometimes. If the Bolton (or even North west) fire brigade had 50 all-terrain vehicles at their disposal on the off-chance of a major incident like this you would be saying what a waste of money. They would be gathering dust until they fell to bits. The fire brigade cannot have an infinity amount of vehicles lying around for every incident that may just happen.

Go and talk to the firemen (when they're not fighting this thing) and ask them if they are even barely adequately resourced.....

Have you spoken to them? Do you know how much they've been decimated in the last decade. Perhaps you should investigate before calling someone's more informed view "rubbish".

Yes I know a few firefighters from my line of work and the fact you call them 'firemen' shows your knowledge is from watching repeats of Fireman Sam. I'm not saying they are haven't had their budget cut or would prefer more firefighters but you said it was shameful that the fire brigade have to rely on handouts and begging for specialist vehicles meaning they should have loads of these all terrain vehicles at their disposal. What I am saying is you are talking bollocks. Even if their budget was doubled they still wouldn't have these specialist vehicles. The brigade wouldn't waste their money on transportation that would get equipment or water up to the top of Winter Hill over the moors that might only be used once every blue moon.

Why don't you do some research yourself and see what is on the market to get water and equipment up soft, uneven ground to almost inaccessible locations. Some of the best vehicles for that are things like tractors, which is why the fire brigade have been asking for help to get fire fighting water up there.

FFS. I'm not suggesting that Lancs or GM FRS own those vehicles. I'm suggesting that there needs to be a route to access them in case of situations like this.

I bet any money you like that should such a fire threaten areas around London those vehicles along with half the British army would be immediately deployed. And you'd not have fire services asking for the public to bring them socks!

A damning indictment of austerity and our utterly reprehensible government.

[malcd1]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

What is shameful is the rubbish you talk sometimes. If the Bolton (or even North west) fire brigade had 50 all-terrain vehicles at their disposal on the off-chance of a major incident like this you would be saying what a waste of money. They would be gathering dust until they fell to bits. The fire brigade cannot have an infinity amount of vehicles lying around for every incident that may just happen.

Go and talk to the firemen (when they're not fighting this thing) and ask them if they are even barely adequately resourced.....

Have you spoken to them? Do you know how much they've been decimated in the last decade. Perhaps you should investigate before calling someone's more informed view "rubbish".

Yes I know a few firefighters from my line of work and the fact you call them 'firemen' shows your knowledge is from watching repeats of Fireman Sam. I'm not saying they are haven't had their budget cut or would prefer more firefighters but you said it was shameful that the fire brigade have to rely on handouts and begging for specialist vehicles meaning they should have loads of these all terrain vehicles at their disposal. What I am saying is you are talking bollocks. Even if their budget was doubled they still wouldn't have these specialist vehicles. The brigade wouldn't waste their money on transportation that would get equipment or water up to the top of Winter Hill over the moors that might only be used once every blue moon.

Why don't you do some research yourself and see what is on the market to get water and equipment up soft, uneven ground to almost inaccessible locations. Some of the best vehicles for that are things like tractors, which is why the fire brigade have been asking for help to get fire fighting water up there.

FFS. I'm not suggesting that Lancs or GM FRS own those vehicles. I'm suggesting that there needs to be a route to access them in case of situations like this.

I bet any money you like that should such a fire threaten areas around London those vehicles along with half the British army would be immediately deployed. And you'd not have fire services asking for the public to bring them socks!

A damning indictment of austerity and our utterly reprehensible government.

You said it was shameful that the Fire and Rescue Service had to resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter intimating that these vehicles were not at their immediate disposal because of underfunding. You have now said it is related to "austerity and our utterly reprehensible government". You are still talking utter bollocks.

Your true aim behind this is your hatred for the current government and having a pop at them. I am no Conservative supporter but the lack of specialist tracked access vehicles has feck all to do with funding.

The last statement from the Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service (LFRS) said that they had not asked asked for the Army to assist on Winter Hill but had not ruled it out if they needed help. So again you are wrong on this. The Army are not in charge of this situation and have no authority. If the LFRS have not asked for help then they will not be assisting. Again feck all to do with austerity.

You are a Socialist and a Labour supporter. I get that but get you facts right and stop talking out of your arse.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

It is impossible for him to stop talking out of his arse. He is one huge arsehole.

[BWFC_Insane]

Morons of the highest order. How would they like it if someone burned their house down for a laugh?

Also shameful that in 2018 Britain our fire service have to rely on handouts, and resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter.

What is shameful is the rubbish you talk sometimes. If the Bolton (or even North west) fire brigade had 50 all-terrain vehicles at their disposal on the off-chance of a major incident like this you would be saying what a waste of money. They would be gathering dust until they fell to bits. The fire brigade cannot have an infinity amount of vehicles lying around for every incident that may just happen.

Go and talk to the firemen (when they're not fighting this thing) and ask them if they are even barely adequately resourced.....

Have you spoken to them? Do you know how much they've been decimated in the last decade. Perhaps you should investigate before calling someone's more informed view "rubbish".

Yes I know a few firefighters from my line of work and the fact you call them 'firemen' shows your knowledge is from watching repeats of Fireman Sam. I'm not saying they are haven't had their budget cut or would prefer more firefighters but you said it was shameful that the fire brigade have to rely on handouts and begging for specialist vehicles meaning they should have loads of these all terrain vehicles at their disposal. What I am saying is you are talking bollocks. Even if their budget was doubled they still wouldn't have these specialist vehicles. The brigade wouldn't waste their money on transportation that would get equipment or water up to the top of Winter Hill over the moors that might only be used once every blue moon.

Why don't you do some research yourself and see what is on the market to get water and equipment up soft, uneven ground to almost inaccessible locations. Some of the best vehicles for that are things like tractors, which is why the fire brigade have been asking for help to get fire fighting water up there.

FFS. I'm not suggesting that Lancs or GM FRS own those vehicles. I'm suggesting that there needs to be a route to access them in case of situations like this.

I bet any money you like that should such a fire threaten areas around London those vehicles along with half the British army would be immediately deployed. And you'd not have fire services asking for the public to bring them socks!

A damning indictment of austerity and our utterly reprehensible government.

You said it was shameful that the Fire and Rescue Service had to resort to begging for specialised vehicles on twitter intimating that these vehicles were not at their immediate disposal because of underfunding. You have now said it is related to "austerity and our utterly reprehensible government". You are still talking utter bollocks.

Your true aim behind this is your hatred for the current government and having a pop at them. I am no Conservative supporter but the lack of specialist tracked access vehicles has feck all to do with funding.

The last statement from the Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service (LFRS) said that they had not asked asked for the Army to assist on Winter Hill but had not ruled it out if they needed help. So again you are wrong on this. The Army are not in charge of this situation and have no authority. If the LFRS have not asked for help then they will not be assisting. Again feck all to do with austerity.

You are a Socialist and a Labour supporter. I get that but get you facts right and stop talking out of your arse.

The fact that there is no route to access vehicles needed to manage a wildfire, something that is on both fire risk registers, and national incident risk registers, beyond begging for them on twitter isn't because we aren't adequately funding the public sector? Would our government have turned a blind eye to such a fire in the South East? No chance.

Perhaps its just because nobody gives a shit about the North burning.

Either way, fire services begging the public for socks, food and equipment is a clear and obvious measure showing a severe and dangerous lack of funding and support.

As for LLS and his insult. It entirely reflects the sort of angry, aggressive, unpleasant, misery you are. Please do not respond to any of my further posts as it is a waste of both our times. I have no interest in discussing anything with such an unpleasant character.

[TANGODANCER]

Without joining on to 17 quotes or an argum,ent , a point worth considering is the fact that there is an awful lot of moorland in our country. Beyond the mindless minority who set fire to things because their tiny brains see it as fun, just how often do we have moorland fires? ( not counting farm fires which happen but in relation to fires in general) As I see it, it's a fair old while since we had a summer of this intensity and, in my almost 79 years, I don't remember anything of this ever magnitude ever happening before- and certain ly not in this area- that needed specialised equipment to deal with it. I will stand correction as I haven't researched it.

[BWFC_Insane]

Without joining on to 17 quotes or an argum,ent , a point worth considering is the fact that there is an awful lot of moorland in our country. Beyond the mindless minority who set fire to things because their tiny brains see it as fun, just how often do we have moorland fires? ( not counting farm fires which happen but in relation to fires in general) As I see it, it's a fair old while since we had a summer of this intensity and, in my almost 79 years, I don't remember anything of this ever magnitude ever happening before- and certain ly not in this area- that needed specialised equipment to deal with it. I will stand correction as I haven't researched it.

We don't have many of this scale. But we have had others in the past twenty years like this, for example some major ones in the peak district. I have a vague recollection that one closed Manchester airport due to smoke 10 years ago or thereabouts?

We average in this country 53,000 grassland fires a year. Of course most of those are small scale as weather conditions don't encourage their spread. But it isn't that unlikely that one of those 50 odd thousand fires occurs during a hot spell.

Hence why a few years back it was recognised as a national risk by government.

[TANGODANCER]

Without joining on to 17 quotes or an argument , a point worth considering is the fact that there is an awful lot of moorland in our country. Beyond the mindless minority who set fire to things because their tiny brains see it as fun, just how often do we have major moorland fires? ( not counting farm fires which happen but in relation to fires in general) As I see it, it's a fair old while since we had a summer of this intensity and, in my almost 79 years, I don't remember anything of this ever magnitude ever happening before- and certain ly not in this area- that needed specialised equipment to deal with it. I will stand correction as I haven't researched it.

We don't have many of this scale. But we have had others in the past twenty years like this, for example some major ones in the peak district. I have a vague recollection that one closed Manchester airport due to smoke 10 years ago or thereabouts?

We average in this country 53,000 grassland fires a year. Of course most of those are small scale as weather conditions don't encourage their spread. But it isn't that unlikely that one of those 50 odd thousand fires occurs during a hot spell. Hence why a few years back it was recognised as a national risk by government.

Having a son in California who has three times been evacuated from his home by bush fires just in his area, the ratio here seems a little less. Just saying.