European Second Referendum

[BWFC_Insane]

Lets just examine the deal and backstop with the EU and the process behind it in the light of May's frankly ridiculous comments today that the "EU need to make legal changes to the backstop as they are participants in this process as well as us".

In effect trying to blame the EU. Lets just review the order of events...

The UK government spends months and months arguing with itself about what deal it wants - comes up with chequers but can't even agree on that fully. Resignations.

We negotiate with the EU with the clear instruction that "we want to leave the customs union and not be bound by regulatory alignment following the transition period but we also don't want to infringe on the good friday agreement.

The EU offers a model whereby following transition, if no Free trade deal is agreed yet, we can either extend transition or NI can remain aligned to limited EU regulations and remain in the CU to allow the border to be managed without any GFA infringement.

May and her government say "no that is unacceptable to split the UK - can we all be in that backstop position as the whole of the UK!.

The EU - not totally thrilled that the UK is seeking EU membership benefits via the backdoor reluctantly agrees as the backstop is a position they know neither side want but by allowing our request for the UK to enter it as a whole if required it satisfies May's red lines and avoids her least favourite option of regulatory split.

The deal is agreed - but goes down in parliament eventually.

Now May and the right wing media are playing short term revisionist history trying to make out this is "all the fault of the EU and their intransigence". Yes because the fact that we asked for this very deal and were given it and now don't want it, is the EU's fault...

Christ. What a total and utter farce.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Lets just examine the deal and backstop with the EU and the process behind it in the light of May's frankly ridiculous comments today that the "EU need to make legal changes to the backstop as they are participants in this process as well as us".

In effect trying to blame the EU. Lets just review the order of events...

The UK government spends months and months arguing with itself about what deal it wants - comes up with chequers but can't even agree on that fully. Resignations.

We negotiate with the EU with the clear instruction that "we want to leave the customs union and not be bound by regulatory alignment following the transition period but we also don't want to infringe on the good friday agreement.

The EU offers a model whereby following transition, if no Free trade deal is agreed yet, we can either extend transition or NI can remain aligned to limited EU regulations and remain in the CU to allow the border to be managed without any GFA infringement.

May and her government say "no that is unacceptable to split the UK - can we all be in that backstop position as the whole of the UK!.

The EU - not totally thrilled that the UK is seeking EU membership benefits via the backdoor reluctantly agrees as the backstop is a position they know neither side want but by allowing our request for the UK to enter it as a whole if required it satisfies May's red lines and avoids her least favourite option of regulatory split.

The deal is agreed - but goes down in parliament eventually.

Now May and the right wing media are playing short term revisionist history trying to make out this is "all the fault of the EU and their intransigence". Yes because the fact that we asked for this very deal and were given it and now don't want it, is the EU's fault...

Christ. What a total and utter farce.

It's not a deal.
It's an agreement to pay the EU £39bn on the basis we will then sit down and talk about a deal. That's where the farce lies.
It's a farce because a Remainer led capitulations where a Leaver would have insisted on terms.

[BWFC_Insane]

Lets just examine the deal and backstop with the EU and the process behind it in the light of May's frankly ridiculous comments today that the "EU need to make legal changes to the backstop as they are participants in this process as well as us".

In effect trying to blame the EU. Lets just review the order of events...

The UK government spends months and months arguing with itself about what deal it wants - comes up with chequers but can't even agree on that fully. Resignations.

We negotiate with the EU with the clear instruction that "we want to leave the customs union and not be bound by regulatory alignment following the transition period but we also don't want to infringe on the good friday agreement.

The EU offers a model whereby following transition, if no Free trade deal is agreed yet, we can either extend transition or NI can remain aligned to limited EU regulations and remain in the CU to allow the border to be managed without any GFA infringement.

May and her government say "no that is unacceptable to split the UK - can we all be in that backstop position as the whole of the UK!.

The EU - not totally thrilled that the UK is seeking EU membership benefits via the backdoor reluctantly agrees as the backstop is a position they know neither side want but by allowing our request for the UK to enter it as a whole if required it satisfies May's red lines and avoids her least favourite option of regulatory split.

The deal is agreed - but goes down in parliament eventually.

Now May and the right wing media are playing short term revisionist history trying to make out this is "all the fault of the EU and their intransigence". Yes because the fact that we asked for this very deal and were given it and now don't want it, is the EU's fault...

Christ. What a total and utter farce.

It's not a deal.
It's an agreement to pay the EU £39bn on the basis we will then sit down and talk about a deal. That's where the farce lies.
It's a farce because a Remainer led capitulations where a Leaver would have insisted on terms.

My post was more that Theresa May is trying to say its all the EU's fault that we don't like the deal WE ASKED FOR.

Its bonkers to even try and credibly suggest that. But I guess nothing is past this government now.

As for the money - that is to pay for existing pre-agreed commitments - I don't think many MPs even the ERG have huge issue with that. The reality is that the EU cannot negotiate a new trade deal whilst we are a member - so would always have required some form of exit first.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Lets just examine the deal and backstop with the EU and the process behind it in the light of May's frankly ridiculous comments today that the "EU need to make legal changes to the backstop as they are participants in this process as well as us".

In effect trying to blame the EU. Lets just review the order of events...

The UK government spends months and months arguing with itself about what deal it wants - comes up with chequers but can't even agree on that fully. Resignations.

We negotiate with the EU with the clear instruction that "we want to leave the customs union and not be bound by regulatory alignment following the transition period but we also don't want to infringe on the good friday agreement.

The EU offers a model whereby following transition, if no Free trade deal is agreed yet, we can either extend transition or NI can remain aligned to limited EU regulations and remain in the CU to allow the border to be managed without any GFA infringement.

May and her government say "no that is unacceptable to split the UK - can we all be in that backstop position as the whole of the UK!.

The EU - not totally thrilled that the UK is seeking EU membership benefits via the backdoor reluctantly agrees as the backstop is a position they know neither side want but by allowing our request for the UK to enter it as a whole if required it satisfies May's red lines and avoids her least favourite option of regulatory split.

The deal is agreed - but goes down in parliament eventually.

Now May and the right wing media are playing short term revisionist history trying to make out this is "all the fault of the EU and their intransigence". Yes because the fact that we asked for this very deal and were given it and now don't want it, is the EU's fault...

Christ. What a total and utter farce.

It's not a deal.
It's an agreement to pay the EU £39bn on the basis we will then sit down and talk about a deal. That's where the farce lies.
It's a farce because a Remainer led capitulations where a Leaver would have insisted on terms.

My post was more that Theresa May is trying to say its all the EU's fault that we don't like the deal WE ASKED FOR.

Its bonkers to even try and credibly suggest that. But I guess nothing is past this government now.

As for the money - that is to pay for existing pre-agreed commitments - I don't think many MPs even the ERG have huge issue with that. The reality is that the EU cannot negotiate a new trade deal whilst we are a member - so would always have required some form of exit first.

I'm not saying it's not bonkers because it partially is. It's not entirely unbonkers either though - Geoffrey would understand .
Some of the money is to pay for pre-agreed commitments. Other pounds are to pay for the next two years of not having left the EU. Yet other millions are for things we shouldn't have to pay for without an agreement or access, like Galileo, and the Medicine Authority moving out of London before we've left. Yet other pounds are pure Eurowonderland nonsense such as future commitments to European pensions for Eurocrats from countries that haven't even joined yet.

As for your second point. Bullshit. It was always entirely in the remit of the unelected officials who make the rules to simultaneously negotiate a trade deal at the same time as a withdrawal agreement.
I can see why they would not want to, but they could have!
Our strength always lay with threating No Deal and our spineless parliament and Remainer May have between them fxcked that one up big style.

[Enoch]

I wager she used to get ripped off left, right and centre, before she copped a job where she doesn't actually pay for anything.

Negotiating nous she ain't got.

[BWFC_Insane]

Listening to radio 5 live today in absolute despair at the complete and utter nonsense spouted - but then we get to this - a Brexiteer member of the public...

BBC Radio 5 Live
‏@bbc5live
One 5 Live listener has the solution to #Brexit...

"We should stick two fingers up to the EU. We’re Great Britain - we’ve got plenty of rabbit in the fields, we can grow potatoes in the garden, we’ve managed before."

fecking hell. Seriously? Its come to this.

Brexit 2016 - Brexit delivers the land of opportunity - free money for all, NHS funding, unlimited biscuits....
Brexit 2019 - Ahh feck it we'll be fine we've got plenty of rabbits we can hunt...

And my final annoyance was that the BBC - the BB fecking C - report these views with the same credence they give to a haulier who has run a business for a quarter of a decade across EU/non-EU borders explaining the huge issues that a no deal brexit presents to his business. It gets worse though - the view of "well feck the EU we can hunt rabbits in the fields" is not questioned - yet an experienced international haulage operator is accused of over-egging it.

We've reached the precipice of stupidity. Where patently thick people spouting utterly meaningless nonsense are now given the same credence as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about and can prove it.

What a laughing stock we are.

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh - and also - anyone who says "everyone knew what we voted for - we voted to leave the SM/CU/everything" is categorically 100% a complete liar. As this shows.

[jimbo]

Listening to radio 5 live today in absolute despair at the complete and utter nonsense spouted - but then we get to this - a Brexiteer member of the public...

BBC Radio 5 Live
‏@bbc5live
One 5 Live listener has the solution to #Brexit...

"We should stick two fingers up to the EU. We’re Great Britain - we’ve got plenty of rabbit in the fields, we can grow potatoes in the garden, we’ve managed before."

fecking hell. Seriously? Its come to this.

Brexit 2016 - Brexit delivers the land of opportunity - free money for all, NHS funding, unlimited biscuits....
Brexit 2019 - Ahh feck it we'll be fine we've got plenty of rabbits we can hunt...

And my final annoyance was that the BBC - the BB fecking C - report these views with the same credence they give to a haulier who has run a business for a quarter of a decade across EU/non-EU borders explaining the huge issues that a no deal brexit presents to his business. It gets worse though - the view of "well feck the EU we can hunt rabbits in the fields" is not questioned - yet an experienced international haulage operator is accused of over-egging it.

We've reached the precipice of stupidity. Where patently thick people spouting utterly meaningless nonsense are now given the same credence as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about and can prove it.

What a laughing stock we are.

I heard that on the way to work as well. My favourite line of thought in all of this is from the people who seem to think that we’re in some kind of hostile war environment. I keep seeing people suggest we should ‘surrender’ to the EU, and even worse that the people who fought in the Second World War didn’t fight for Britain to become a slave of Europe. As a result of this we then get people so driven in believing that we need to leave the EU at all cost and are quite happy shooting rabbits and growing potatoes in their own garden to survive.

[BWFC_Insane]

Listening to radio 5 live today in absolute despair at the complete and utter nonsense spouted - but then we get to this - a Brexiteer member of the public...

BBC Radio 5 Live
‏@bbc5live
One 5 Live listener has the solution to #Brexit...

"We should stick two fingers up to the EU. We’re Great Britain - we’ve got plenty of rabbit in the fields, we can grow potatoes in the garden, we’ve managed before."

fecking hell. Seriously? Its come to this.

Brexit 2016 - Brexit delivers the land of opportunity - free money for all, NHS funding, unlimited biscuits....
Brexit 2019 - Ahh feck it we'll be fine we've got plenty of rabbits we can hunt...

And my final annoyance was that the BBC - the BB fecking C - report these views with the same credence they give to a haulier who has run a business for a quarter of a decade across EU/non-EU borders explaining the huge issues that a no deal brexit presents to his business. It gets worse though - the view of "well feck the EU we can hunt rabbits in the fields" is not questioned - yet an experienced international haulage operator is accused of over-egging it.

We've reached the precipice of stupidity. Where patently thick people spouting utterly meaningless nonsense are now given the same credence as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about and can prove it.

What a laughing stock we are.

I heard that on the way to work as well. My favourite line of thought in all of this is from the people who seem to think that we’re in some kind of hostile war environment. I keep seeing people suggest we should ‘surrender’ to the EU, and even worse that the people who fought in the Second World War didn’t fight for Britain to become a slave of Europe. As a result of this we then get people so driven in believing that we need to leave the EU at all cost and are quite happy shooting rabbits and growing potatoes in their own garden to survive.

Indeed. And people wonder why its getting harder and harder to listen to such absolute, demonstrable nonsense.

[jimbo]

Listening to radio 5 live today in absolute despair at the complete and utter nonsense spouted - but then we get to this - a Brexiteer member of the public...

BBC Radio 5 Live
‏@bbc5live
One 5 Live listener has the solution to #Brexit...

"We should stick two fingers up to the EU. We’re Great Britain - we’ve got plenty of rabbit in the fields, we can grow potatoes in the garden, we’ve managed before."

fecking hell. Seriously? Its come to this.

Brexit 2016 - Brexit delivers the land of opportunity - free money for all, NHS funding, unlimited biscuits....
Brexit 2019 - Ahh feck it we'll be fine we've got plenty of rabbits we can hunt...

And my final annoyance was that the BBC - the BB fecking C - report these views with the same credence they give to a haulier who has run a business for a quarter of a decade across EU/non-EU borders explaining the huge issues that a no deal brexit presents to his business. It gets worse though - the view of "well feck the EU we can hunt rabbits in the fields" is not questioned - yet an experienced international haulage operator is accused of over-egging it.

We've reached the precipice of stupidity. Where patently thick people spouting utterly meaningless nonsense are now given the same credence as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about and can prove it.

What a laughing stock we are.

I heard that on the way to work as well. My favourite line of thought in all of this is from the people who seem to think that we’re in some kind of hostile war environment. I keep seeing people suggest we should ‘surrender’ to the EU, and even worse that the people who fought in the Second World War didn’t fight for Britain to become a slave of Europe. As a result of this we then get people so driven in believing that we need to leave the EU at all cost and are quite happy shooting rabbits and growing potatoes in their own garden to survive.

Indeed. And people wonder why its getting harder and harder to listen to such absolute, demonstrable nonsense.

I came across a Pro Brexit, Anti EU Facebook group last night and actually found it quite terrifying. The reason I came across it was a (fairly distant) family member shared a post of theirs. Looking deeper the pictures and posters they produce are horrific, full level propaganda. One genuinely suggested that the increase in immigration has changed the genetics of British people for ever!

The fact there are people agreeing with these thoughts and comfortable sharing them is scary.

I’m far from the ‘everyone what voted Brexit is well racist’ point of view, but there are some really nasty views that have used the Brexit argument to try to win support.

[BWFC_Insane]

Listening to radio 5 live today in absolute despair at the complete and utter nonsense spouted - but then we get to this - a Brexiteer member of the public...

BBC Radio 5 Live
‏@bbc5live
One 5 Live listener has the solution to #Brexit...

"We should stick two fingers up to the EU. We’re Great Britain - we’ve got plenty of rabbit in the fields, we can grow potatoes in the garden, we’ve managed before."

fecking hell. Seriously? Its come to this.

Brexit 2016 - Brexit delivers the land of opportunity - free money for all, NHS funding, unlimited biscuits....
Brexit 2019 - Ahh feck it we'll be fine we've got plenty of rabbits we can hunt...

And my final annoyance was that the BBC - the BB fecking C - report these views with the same credence they give to a haulier who has run a business for a quarter of a decade across EU/non-EU borders explaining the huge issues that a no deal brexit presents to his business. It gets worse though - the view of "well feck the EU we can hunt rabbits in the fields" is not questioned - yet an experienced international haulage operator is accused of over-egging it.

We've reached the precipice of stupidity. Where patently thick people spouting utterly meaningless nonsense are now given the same credence as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about and can prove it.

What a laughing stock we are.

I heard that on the way to work as well. My favourite line of thought in all of this is from the people who seem to think that we’re in some kind of hostile war environment. I keep seeing people suggest we should ‘surrender’ to the EU, and even worse that the people who fought in the Second World War didn’t fight for Britain to become a slave of Europe. As a result of this we then get people so driven in believing that we need to leave the EU at all cost and are quite happy shooting rabbits and growing potatoes in their own garden to survive.

Indeed. And people wonder why its getting harder and harder to listen to such absolute, demonstrable nonsense.

I came across a Pro Brexit, Anti EU Facebook group last night and actually found it quite terrifying. The reason I came across it was a (fairly distant) family member shared a post of theirs. Looking deeper the pictures and posters they produce are horrific, full level propaganda. One genuinely suggested that the increase in immigration has changed the genetics of British people for ever!

The fact there are people agreeing with these thoughts and comfortable sharing them is scary.

I’m far from the ‘everyone what voted Brexit is well racist’ point of view, but there are some really nasty views that have used the Brexit argument to try to win support.

People sharing such stuff as described are racists. End of.

There are shadowy organisations spending huge advertising budgets on facebook to promote all this stuff. You have to seriously wonder where the money comes from?

Then you find out Rees-Mogg has earned £7M on one of his investments since the Brexit vote...I get the motivations of the Brexiteer MPs and the like. They are all rich, millionaires elites..mainly white men too.

[TANGODANCER]

There are people ( a large amount actually) who are sensible enough to know what to credit and what to ignore amongst what is basically nothing more than gossip, shxt-stirring and propoganda.......surprising as it may seem.

I do sometimes peruse the thought of just how many people there are that the term "racist" applies to that are not actually white or British? Just wondering.

[jimbo]

There are people ( a large amount actually) who are sensible enough to know what to credit and what to ignore amongst what is basically nothing more than gossip, shxt-stirring and propoganda.......surprising as it may seem.

I do sometimes peruse the thought of just how many people there are that the term "racist" applies to that are not actually white or British? Just wondering.

You’re right that the majority of people would disregard such information. There’s also going to be people who may believe it but not act on it. The worry are the minority who perhaps lack the ability or insight, believe what they read, and then decide to act on it. There were probably thousands of Birmingham fans last weekend who dislike Jack Grealish, but it only took one to lose sight of the boundaries of acceptability and do something reprehensible.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

You only have to remember the amount of people citing bananas jut because Boris made it up to realise there are more gullible folk out there than there ought to be.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Listening to radio 5 live today in absolute despair at the complete and utter nonsense spouted - but then we get to this - a Brexiteer member of the public...

BBC Radio 5 Live
‏@bbc5live
One 5 Live listener has the solution to #Brexit...

"We should stick two fingers up to the EU. We’re Great Britain - we’ve got plenty of rabbit in the fields, we can grow potatoes in the garden, we’ve managed before."

fecking hell. Seriously? Its come to this.

Brexit 2016 - Brexit delivers the land of opportunity - free money for all, NHS funding, unlimited biscuits....
Brexit 2019 - Ahh feck it we'll be fine we've got plenty of rabbits we can hunt...

And my final annoyance was that the BBC - the BB fecking C - report these views with the same credence they give to a haulier who has run a business for a quarter of a decade across EU/non-EU borders explaining the huge issues that a no deal brexit presents to his business. It gets worse though - the view of "well feck the EU we can hunt rabbits in the fields" is not questioned - yet an experienced international haulage operator is accused of over-egging it.

We've reached the precipice of stupidity. Where patently thick people spouting utterly meaningless nonsense are now given the same credence as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about and can prove it.

What a laughing stock we are.

I heard that on the way to work as well. My favourite line of thought in all of this is from the people who seem to think that we’re in some kind of hostile war environment. I keep seeing people suggest we should ‘surrender’ to the EU, and even worse that the people who fought in the Second World War didn’t fight for Britain to become a slave of Europe. As a result of this we then get people so driven in believing that we need to leave the EU at all cost and are quite happy shooting rabbits and growing potatoes in their own garden to survive.

Indeed. And people wonder why its getting harder and harder to listen to such absolute, demonstrable nonsense.

I came across a Pro Brexit, Anti EU Facebook group last night and actually found it quite terrifying. The reason I came across it was a (fairly distant) family member shared a post of theirs. Looking deeper the pictures and posters they produce are horrific, full level propaganda. One genuinely suggested that the increase in immigration has changed the genetics of British people for ever!

The fact there are people agreeing with these thoughts and comfortable sharing them is scary.

I’m far from the ‘everyone what voted Brexit is well racist’ point of view, but there are some really nasty views that have used the Brexit argument to try to win support.

People sharing such stuff as described are racists. End of.

There are shadowy organisations spending huge advertising budgets on facebook to promote all this stuff. You have to seriously wonder where the money comes from?

Then you find out Rees-Mogg has earned £7M on one of his investments since the Brexit vote...I get the motivations of the Brexiteer MPs and the like. They are all rich, millionaires elites..mainly white men too.

And you bang on about echo chambers ...

You and Jimbo need a room.

[BWFC_Insane]

Fascinating - alleged on this twitter feed that Arron Banks and Farage have been to Italy to pay off the fascists to block any A50 extension. Also alleged elsewhere that Brexiteers have done the same in Poland.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 5712093184

Brexit - driven by shadowy elite rich white men trying to profit from the nation's misfortune.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Fascinating - alleged on this twitter feed that Arron Banks and Farage have been to Italy to pay off the fascists to block any A50 extension. Also alleged elsewhere that Brexiteers have done the same in Poland.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/stat ... 5712093184

Brexit - driven by shadowy elite rich white men trying to profit from the nation's misfortune.

You've lost the fxcking plot.

Is this a conspiracy theory?
Can I join, only I've got questions:
Do you have to be both shadowy and elite, or is just one option sufficient?
Are shadowy elite white rich women ineligible?
Why, as a person of colour, but otherwise rich and shadowy can't I join in the fascist fun?
Are up front poor Nazis not invited to the party???

[Lost Leopard Spot]

LOL hahahaha
Just seen the actual wording for tonight's vote:
"That this House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship on 29 March 2019; and notes that leaving without a deal remains the default in UK and EU law unless this House and the EU ratify an agreement"

The sneaky Fxcker...

That'll be the shadowy white rich elite men's doing...

[jimbo]

Listening to radio 5 live today in absolute despair at the complete and utter nonsense spouted - but then we get to this - a Brexiteer member of the public...

BBC Radio 5 Live
‏@bbc5live
One 5 Live listener has the solution to #Brexit...

"We should stick two fingers up to the EU. We’re Great Britain - we’ve got plenty of rabbit in the fields, we can grow potatoes in the garden, we’ve managed before."

fecking hell. Seriously? Its come to this.

Brexit 2016 - Brexit delivers the land of opportunity - free money for all, NHS funding, unlimited biscuits....
Brexit 2019 - Ahh feck it we'll be fine we've got plenty of rabbits we can hunt...

And my final annoyance was that the BBC - the BB fecking C - report these views with the same credence they give to a haulier who has run a business for a quarter of a decade across EU/non-EU borders explaining the huge issues that a no deal brexit presents to his business. It gets worse though - the view of "well feck the EU we can hunt rabbits in the fields" is not questioned - yet an experienced international haulage operator is accused of over-egging it.

We've reached the precipice of stupidity. Where patently thick people spouting utterly meaningless nonsense are now given the same credence as those who actually know what the hell they're talking about and can prove it.

What a laughing stock we are.

I heard that on the way to work as well. My favourite line of thought in all of this is from the people who seem to think that we’re in some kind of hostile war environment. I keep seeing people suggest we should ‘surrender’ to the EU, and even worse that the people who fought in the Second World War didn’t fight for Britain to become a slave of Europe. As a result of this we then get people so driven in believing that we need to leave the EU at all cost and are quite happy shooting rabbits and growing potatoes in their own garden to survive.

Indeed. And people wonder why its getting harder and harder to listen to such absolute, demonstrable nonsense.

I came across a Pro Brexit, Anti EU Facebook group last night and actually found it quite terrifying. The reason I came across it was a (fairly distant) family member shared a post of theirs. Looking deeper the pictures and posters they produce are horrific, full level propaganda. One genuinely suggested that the increase in immigration has changed the genetics of British people for ever!

The fact there are people agreeing with these thoughts and comfortable sharing them is scary.

I’m far from the ‘everyone what voted Brexit is well racist’ point of view, but there are some really nasty views that have used the Brexit argument to try to win support.

People sharing such stuff as described are racists. End of.

There are shadowy organisations spending huge advertising budgets on facebook to promote all this stuff. You have to seriously wonder where the money comes from?

Then you find out Rees-Mogg has earned £7M on one of his investments since the Brexit vote...I get the motivations of the Brexiteer MPs and the like. They are all rich, millionaires elites..mainly white men too.

And you bang on about echo chambers ...

You and Jimbo need a room.

Difficult to call it an echo chamber when you’re shouting into it too!

I like the retro ‘get a room’ comment too. Not heard that since I was 15.

What are your thoughts on the rise of such groups online, and how they appear to be using Brexit as a tool to push their own overtly racist agendas and appeal to a broader demographic? Misinformation on-line is a dangerous thing, right and left (Christ, there’s enough mad left wing conspiracy stuff I see shared every day) People are drawn in by click bait and don’t delve deeper, so these sorts of things thrive. As tango said, the majority of people won’t be affected by it, but it only takes a couple before we’ve a real problem on our hands. I’m not sure how we fix it either - if official channels distance themselves, or directly challenge them, it fits with the ‘elitist people trying to shut down the truth’ narrative.

[BWFC_Insane]

Is there a more unpleasant person in this world than Michael Gove? Absolutely reprehensible human being.