Ouch...

[Nozza]

[Batman]

Was funnier when I got the original email in December

[davroduk]

Sorry Hoolio, but that is an old one.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Never mind, Hoolio, I hadn't seen it before

[Nozza]

It's ok. I live in Sunderland, we've only just won the war here.

[Frankie Wanderer]

It's ok. I live in Sunderland, we've only just won the war here.

The Napoleonic Wars

[InsaneApache]

It's ok. I live in Sunderland, we've only just won the war here.

The Napoleonic Wars

Don't bring Hartlepool into it!!!! ;P

[Nozza]

It's ok. I live in Sunderland, we've only just won the war here.

The Napoleonic Wars

I was on about the Religious Crusades of 15AD.

[Montreal Wanderer]

It's ok. I live in Sunderland, we've only just won the war here.

The Napoleonic Wars

I was on about the Religious Crusades of 15AD.

Bit hard to imagine a crusade when Jesus was only 15 and hadn't invented Christianity yet. Still whatever works in Sunderland.

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I was on about the Religious Crusades of 15AD.

Bit hard to imagine a crusade when Jesus was only 15 and hadn't invented Christianity yet. Still whatever works in Sunderland.[/quote]

Doesn't mention which religion

[Montreal Wanderer]

I was on about the Religious Crusades of 15AD.

Bit hard to imagine a crusade when Jesus was only 15 and hadn't invented Christianity yet. Still whatever works in Sunderland.

Doesn't mention which religion

I think you will find, my legal eagle friend, that "Religious Crusades" must, by definition, refer to Christianity - from the French word for cross, I believe. A jihad would of course be more anachrononistic. While crusade itself, without the adjective religious, can have a more general sense this was a far later usage.

[TANGODANCER]

The Crusade's (of the cross) were specifically approved by the Pope to reclaim the Holy Land for Christianity. The Islam objection to the flag of St George is all based on the cross on it being an insult to their religion (although every mosque bears a crescent and star whcich we aren't allowed to complain about in our own country)

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Doesn't mention which religion

I think you will find, my legal eagle friend, that "Religious Crusades" must, by definition, refer to Christianity - from the French word for cross, I believe. A jihad would of course be more anachrononistic. While crusade itself, without the adjective religious, can have a more general sense this was a far later usage.

I would agree that 'The Crusades' would refer to the Papally sanctioned military campaigns intended to reclaim the Holy Land from the Muslims just under 1000 years ago, but would argue that a Jihad would be, by definition, 'a religious crusade', albeit a different religion.

And yes, the stem is from the Catholic languages (French/Spanish) of either croisade or cruzada, both ultimately coming from the Latin 'crux'.

But yes, the time-frame given of 15AD would not quite sit with the use of the word

[Montreal Wanderer]

But yes, the time-frame given of 15AD would not quite sit with the use of the word

... and that was my point.

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Did the Muslims do Jihads that far back? (And I'm asking because I don't actually know... who knows, they might have)

[communistworkethic]

For crying out loud, the bloke's Jewish how are we on to Islam and Catholicism?

[Montreal Wanderer]

Did the Muslims do Jihads that far back? (And I'm asking because I don't actually know... who knows, they might have)

There were no Muslims until Mohammed who came more than seven centuries after Christ.

[Montreal Wanderer]

For crying out loud, the bloke's Jewish how are we on to Islam and Catholicism?

Something to do with the Sunderland Crusade of AD 15 I think

[keveh]

Anyway, I've not seen that and it's awesome

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Anyway, I've not seen that and it's awesome

Indeed. Likewise it was something that had passed me by. And most amusing. Can't beat a good bit of schadenfreude.