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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by thebish » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:43 pm

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Lord Kangana wrote:Yeah, but they won't be manufacturing for export to the 7/8ths, so they won't need as much resources, be they workforce, materials, support companies, transport companies, shipping companies etc etc.n SO probably less jobs, income generation, tax revenues etc etc etc.

Of course our economy isn't small, but it's dwarfed by the size of the market the EU presents. Without unfettered access to it, we're not as an exciting proposition.
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by Hoboh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:13 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Yeah, but they won't be manufacturing for export to the 7/8ths, so they won't need as much resources, be they workforce, materials, support companies, transport companies, shipping companies etc etc.n SO probably less jobs, income generation, tax revenues etc etc etc.

Of course our economy isn't small, but it's dwarfed by the size of the market the EU presents. Without unfettered access to it, we're not as an exciting proposition.

Until the Euro problems finally sneak out past the prison walls in Portugal, Italy, France and because of the loss of UK payments to the EU the subsequent reductions in the economies of Hungry, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania etc.

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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by Lord Kangana » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:42 am

Is that scheduled to occur before or after we sign article 50?
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by Hoboh » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:16 am

Lord Kangana wrote:Is that scheduled to occur before or after we sign article 50?
Soon.
Not purely because of Brexit but because of the virus riddled EU policies.

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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by boltonboris » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:51 am

So are the EU building a huge impenetrable wall that will stop ALL UK Manufactured products reaching Europe? Or will they just add tax on which goes back into their economies anyway?
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by Worthy4England » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:09 pm

boltonboris wrote:So are the EU building a huge impenetrable wall that will stop ALL UK Manufactured products reaching Europe? Or will they just add tax on which goes back into their economies anyway?
They won't need to. Hoboh is building one that'll stop anything getting in or out.

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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by thebish » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:56 pm

kinda illustartes the complex shit-storm that is Syria... :(

US Commandos flee US-backed Free Syrian Army fighters... with Turkey in the sandwich...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... rian-rebe/
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by bobo the clown » Sat Sep 17, 2016 7:48 pm

thebish wrote:kinda illustartes the complex shit-storm that is Syria... :(

US Commandos flee US-backed Free Syrian Army fighters... with Turkey in the sandwich...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... rian-rebe/
Yep. These were the ones the West is so keen to support.

What a mess
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by boltonboris » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:05 pm

So the Turks are fighting ISIS?? They've stopped buying oil from them to fund their arms then?

Not so sure
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by bobo the clown » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:14 pm

boltonboris wrote:So the Turks are fighting ISIS?? They've stopped buying oil from them to fund their arms then?

Not so sure
I think they're mire concerned about the Kurds tbh but need to NOW be seen fighting ISIS as part of the package.

If they'd closed the supply routes of earlier Daesh may not have got such a foothold.
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by boltonboris » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:38 pm

So the long and short of it, is that everyone is trying to kill everyone who is wearing different uniforms?
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:29 pm

To be fair the Americans are killing everyone, regardless of uniforms.

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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by Harry Genshaw » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:58 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:To be fair the Americans are killing everyone, regardless of uniforms.
and we're helping them, or our drones are. Hell of a ceasefire this is
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by thebish » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:21 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:
Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:To be fair the Americans are killing everyone, regardless of uniforms.
and we're helping them, or our drones are. Hell of a ceasefire this is
It's what all those decent and nice MPs who are not Corbyn wanted us to do...
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by bobo the clown » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:29 am

Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:27 am

bobo the clown wrote:Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.
I agree that is not an option, but lobbing a few bombs in from a distance and expecting anything to get fixed is even more stupid. Have a proper plan, resource it and execute it yes. Piss about with a few bombs because we want to show solidarity with the French or look good to the Yanks who have absolutely no plan other than bomb them is a large part of why the Middle East is such a mess.

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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by thebish » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:30 am

bobo the clown wrote:Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.

yep... cos that's exactly what Corbyn proposed, yeah, right...

good luck with your bombing strategy.
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by bobo the clown » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:46 am

thebish wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.

yep... cos that's exactly what Corbyn proposed, yeah, right...

good luck with your bombing strategy.
Fair point. Doesn't he propose "having a nice cup of tea and a chat with them ... y'know, as "friends" ?
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by boltonboris » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:55 am

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bobo the clown wrote:Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.
I agree that is not an option, but lobbing a few bombs in from a distance and expecting anything to get fixed is even more stupid. Have a proper plan, resource it and execute it yes. Piss about with a few bombs because we want to show solidarity with the French or look good to the Yanks who have absolutely no plan other than bomb them is a large part of why the Middle East is such a mess.
Tell them to stay the feck away from us and we'll stay the feck away from them, would be a start.

But apparently, being billy big bollocks on the global arena seems to be really important to a lot of people
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Re: Middle East Crisis

Post by thebish » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:28 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
thebish wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.

yep... cos that's exactly what Corbyn proposed, yeah, right...

good luck with your bombing strategy.
Fair point. Doesn't he propose "having a nice cup of tea and a chat with them ... y'know, as "friends" ?

in much the same way that Thatcher's government talked to the IRA... and govenrments all over the world have realised that whilst bombs might sometimes solve things, talking solves more things - and given neither of us has an answer to the problem of ISIS - I take the view that while we don't have an answer, then a status quo where we are not adding yet more bombs and killing to Syria - where there is quite enough of that already - is a better status quo...

tea & chat - better (in my view) than pointlessly bombing and killing people to make ourselves feel a little less useless...
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