Middle East Crisis

[boltonboris]

Can you stop killing everyone, please

Yes, if you convert to our idea of Islam

Well, no - We won't do that

Okay, then I'll chop your fvckin head off right now and put it on the internet

[thebish]

I would very much recommend reading what Jonathan Powell has written - someone who has done this at the sharp end...

there's a short version of his case (made at greater length in his book) here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... s-al-qaida

[BWFC_Insane]

Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.

I agree that is not an option, but lobbing a few bombs in from a distance and expecting anything to get fixed is even more stupid. Have a proper plan, resource it and execute it yes. Piss about with a few bombs because we want to show solidarity with the French or look good to the Yanks who have absolutely no plan other than bomb them is a large part of why the Middle East is such a mess.

Tell them to stay the feck away from us and we'll stay the feck away from them, would be a start.

But apparently, being billy big bollocks on the global arena seems to be really important to a lot of people

Cos historically burying our heads and hoping stuff going on elsewhere won't impact us has paid handsome dividends?

[Prufrock]

I would very much recommend reading what Jonathan Powell has written - someone who has done this at the sharp end...

there's a short version of his case (made at greater length in his book) here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... s-al-qaida

I've read that book and if you think he advocates having tea with ISIS you're off your rocker.

Also, ISIS are struggling big time and are expected to lose Mosul and Raqqa in the nearish future. As well as their deputy leader having been killed a couple of weeks ago. The idea that "bombing" or "not bombing" are the answer is incredibly 2D. Sometimes bombs help, sometimes they don't.

[thebish]

I would very much recommend reading what Jonathan Powell has written - someone who has done this at the sharp end...

there's a short version of his case (made at greater length in his book) here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... s-al-qaida

I've read that book and if you think he advocates having tea with ISIS you're off your rocker.

Also, ISIS are struggling big time and are expected to lose Mosul and Raqqa in the nearish future. As well as their deputy leader having been killed a couple of weeks ago. The idea that "bombing" or "not bombing" are the answer is incredibly 2D. Sometimes bombs help, sometimes they don't.

(I think I actually wrote that sometimes bombs help, sometimes they don't, didn't I?? ) also - I did not say - anywhere - that Not bombing is the answer - in fact, I said I did not have the answer! strewth!!

tea with ISIS was Bobo's interpretation... I wouldn't accuse Bobo of being off his rocker... no!!

[boltonboris]

Yep. Coz wishing ISIS away is a great tactic.

I agree that is not an option, but lobbing a few bombs in from a distance and expecting anything to get fixed is even more stupid. Have a proper plan, resource it and execute it yes. Piss about with a few bombs because we want to show solidarity with the French or look good to the Yanks who have absolutely no plan other than bomb them is a large part of why the Middle East is such a mess.

Tell them to stay the feck away from us and we'll stay the feck away from them, would be a start.

But apparently, being billy big bollocks on the global arena seems to be really important to a lot of people

Cos historically burying our heads and hoping stuff going on elsewhere won't impact us has paid handsome dividends?

I think history shows us not starting wars with people generally makes them not war with us. 'The West' invading Iraq played a major part in the formation of the very same people who want to butcher us right now

[thebish]

I think history shows us not starting wars with people generally makes them not war with us. 'The West' invading Iraq played a major part in the formation of the very same people who want to butcher us right now

careful... you might be accused of being an apologist for terrorism there... that's the kind of dangerous and seditious talk that Corbyn uses!

[Enoch]

The idea that "bombing" or "not bombing" are the answer is incredibly 2D.

2D, the new binary?

[Worthy4England]

The idea that "bombing" or "not bombing" are the answer is incredibly 2D.

2D, the new binary?

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[boltonboris]

I think history shows us not starting wars with people generally makes them not war with us. 'The West' invading Iraq played a major part in the formation of the very same people who want to butcher us right now

careful... you might be accused of being an apologist for terrorism there... that's the kind of dangerous and seditious talk that Corbyn uses!

You know I'm no such thing.. But some things are better left alone. Let that part of the world deal with itself. It'll be safer for us

[thebish]

I think history shows us not starting wars with people generally makes them not war with us. 'The West' invading Iraq played a major part in the formation of the very same people who want to butcher us right now

careful... you might be accused of being an apologist for terrorism there... that's the kind of dangerous and seditious talk that Corbyn uses!

You know I'm no such thing.. But some things are better left alone. Let that part of the world deal with itself. It'll be safer for us

not being such a thing doesn't seem to stop folk claiming people are - not least for that kind of talk! commie!

[Prufrock]

Well it worked for Neville Chamberlain.

And Isis formed directly from al-Qaeda, and they didn't exist before Iraq.

[Prufrock]

Oh, and ISIS's main target in western Europe has been France - probably due to their involvement in the Iraq war.

[Prufrock]

I would very much recommend reading what Jonathan Powell has written - someone who has done this at the sharp end...

there's a short version of his case (made at greater length in his book) here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ ... s-al-qaida

I've read that book and if you think he advocates having tea with ISIS you're off your rocker.

Also, ISIS are struggling big time and are expected to lose Mosul and Raqqa in the nearish future. As well as their deputy leader having been killed a couple of weeks ago. The idea that "bombing" or "not bombing" are the answer is incredibly 2D. Sometimes bombs help, sometimes they don't.

(I think I actually wrote that sometimes bombs help, sometimes they don't, didn't I?? ) also - I did not say - anywhere - that Not bombing is the answer - in fact, I said I did not have the answer! strewth!!

tea with ISIS was Bobo's interpretation... I wouldn't accuse Bobo of being off his rocker... no!!

Excellent. It's just Jeremy doesn't agree with you.

[thebish]

Excellent. It's just Jeremy doesn't agree with you.

i'd be interested to hear your 3d solution to syria - or perhaps 4d or 5d? does it involve us bombing people?

[CrazyHorse]

The idea that "bombing" or "not bombing" are the answer is incredibly 2D.

2D, the new binary?

00110010 01000100 00101100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01110111 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00111111 00100000 01010011 01110101 01110010 01100101 01101100 01111001 00111111

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[Prufrock]

Binary solo!

[Worthy4England]

The idea that "bombing" or "not bombing" are the answer is incredibly 2D.

2D, the new binary?

00110010 01000100 00101100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100101 01110111 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00111111 00100000 01010011 01110101 01110010 01100101 01101100 01111001 00111111

00111010 01110000 01110010 01100001 01111001 00111010

01010100 01100001 00101110 00100000 01010100 01101000 01101111 01110101 01100111 01101000 01110100 00100000 01110011 01101111 01101101 01100101 01101111 01101110 01100101 00100000 01101101 01101001 01100111 01101000 01110100 00100000 01100111 01101001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110111 01101000 01101001 01110010 01101100 00101110 00100000 00111010 00101101 00101001 00001101 00001010

[Prufrock]

Excellent. It's just Jeremy doesn't agree with you.

i'd be interested to hear your 3d solution to syria - or perhaps 4d or 5d? does it involve us bombing people?

Bomb the baddies. Don't bomb the goodies. Simple.

Bombing gets you as far as getting rid of ISIS. You need a plan for afterwards. If we'd didn't the last Christ knows how long doing what we should have been, backing secular democrats and not selling weapons to theocratic dictators it might be less difficult. My feeling now it's it probably involves not just talks but ugly concessions with Assad.

Imo though a lot lies at the door of Obama. His red line should have been followed up on.

[Prufrock]

Tim Farron v impressive yesterday. Think that's where my vote would go if there was an election tomorrow.