The Politics Thread

[Lord Kangana]

Erm, no. It's not as simple as s.1(1) of the Tax Act, "pay some tax". They don't write a list of every single financial product on the market with a percentage next to it. You write a law, then a new product comes along. How do you figure out parliament's intention towards something that didn't exist when they wrote the law? If you could just wire that down there's a few folk would be very grateful.

I think bedwetter has kind of covered it in his response, but I believe it to be perfectly possible write into legislation "spirit of the law" clauses.

In tandem, and to aid the judiciary, I would have an ongoing cross-party committee (meeting say quarterly for a week to hear evidence, with a mandatory time-restricted debate in the house attached based on the evidence) to monitor any moves that are being made to circumvent current legislation (eg The Dutch Sandwich).

I don't however believe that there is political will to do anything of the sort. But its all perfectly possible if they wanted it.

[Worthy4England]

Erm, no. It's not as simple as s.1(1) of the Tax Act, "pay some tax". They don't write a list of every single financial product on the market with a percentage next to it. You write a law, then a new product comes along. How do you figure out parliament's intention towards something that didn't exist when they wrote the law? If you could just wire that down there's a few folk would be very grateful.

I think bedwetter has kind of covered it in his response, but I believe it to be perfectly possible write into legislation "spirit of the law" clauses.

In tandem, and to aid the judiciary, I would have an ongoing cross-party committee (meeting say quarterly for a week to hear evidence, with a mandatory time-restricted debate in the house attached based on the evidence) to monitor any moves that are being made to circumvent current legislation (eg The Dutch Sandwich).

I don't however believe that there is political will to do anything of the sort. But its all perfectly possible if they wanted it.

They'd be more likely discussing how the fcuk to get round "spirit of the law" clauses without breaking the "spirit of the law"...

[Lord Kangana]

Like I say, I find it a pity that we have a Parliament so stuffed to the gunnels with Liliputians that no-one sees this time of opportunity for what it is.

[thebish]

Erm, no. It's not as simple as s.1(1) of the Tax Act, "pay some tax". They don't write a list of every single financial product on the market with a percentage next to it. You write a law, then a new product comes along. How do you figure out parliament's intention towards something that didn't exist when they wrote the law? If you could just wire that down there's a few folk would be very grateful.

I think bedwetter has kind of covered it in his response, but I believe it to be perfectly possible write into legislation "spirit of the law" clauses.

In tandem, and to aid the judiciary, I would have an ongoing cross-party committee (meeting say quarterly for a week to hear evidence, with a mandatory time-restricted debate in the house attached based on the evidence) to monitor any moves that are being made to circumvent current legislation (eg The Dutch Sandwich).

you kinky beast!

[Lord Kangana]

With a Double Irish!

F - Narrrr.

[Harry Genshaw]

Surely this John Whittingdale character (never heard of him before btw) can't remain in post/on the Leveson enquiry?

[Hoboh]

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feasible?

[Hoboh]

A read

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[Hoboh]

Strange how one can sometimes find ones self leaning towards the left

[Worthy4England]

So a couple of Tory cabinet ministers think Cameron should stay if the referendum vote is for "out"...Surely, that wouldn't logistically work. Apart from anything else, I'd have thought one of the Conservative "out" campaigners would need to lead, to ensure they were accountable for the claims they make, pre referendum? Put their proverbial cock on the block?

[thebish]

So a couple of Tory cabinet ministers think Cameron should stay if the referendum vote is for "out"...Surely, that wouldn't logistically work. Apart from anything else, I'd have thought one of the Conservative "out" campaigners would need to lead, to ensure they were accountable for the claims they make, pre referendum? Put their proverbial cock on the block?

there's no chance at all cameron would survive an OUT vote... but then he double-pinky-promised that he'd serve a full term (to stop us being scared of the "vote cameron get osborne" possibility - so he'll be in a bind...

[Worthy4England]

So a couple of Tory cabinet ministers think Cameron should stay if the referendum vote is for "out"...Surely, that wouldn't logistically work. Apart from anything else, I'd have thought one of the Conservative "out" campaigners would need to lead, to ensure they were accountable for the claims they make, pre referendum? Put their proverbial cock on the block?

there's no chance at all cameron would survive an OUT vote... but then he double-pinky-promised that he'd serve a full term (to stop us being scared of the "vote cameron get osborne" possibility - so he'll be in a bind...

I know you could determine that there was going to be a Minister for Exit or suchlike, but I don't see how any "Remainers" could lead any Government on a course so fundamentally different than the one they were supporting, touching so many policy areas - that would apply to any government. Surely you'd have to have someone in charge who was fully committed to getting all the outcomes that have and no doubt will be promised between now and referendum time.

[Hoboh]

So a couple of Tory cabinet ministers think Cameron should stay if the referendum vote is for "out"...Surely, that wouldn't logistically work. Apart from anything else, I'd have thought one of the Conservative "out" campaigners would need to lead, to ensure they were accountable for the claims they make, pre referendum? Put their proverbial cock on the block?

Reckon he's gone either way tbh

[Worthy4England]

So a couple of Tory cabinet ministers think Cameron should stay if the referendum vote is for "out"...Surely, that wouldn't logistically work. Apart from anything else, I'd have thought one of the Conservative "out" campaigners would need to lead, to ensure they were accountable for the claims they make, pre referendum? Put their proverbial cock on the block?

Reckon he's gone either way tbh

Not sure about that - were the referendum in favour of remaining, what mandate would the outers on his back benches have to remove him?

[Prufrock]

That it's a condition of joining the Tories to work to cock up any seemingly unassailable electoral position.

[Worthy4England]

That it's a condition of joining the Tories to work to cock up any seemingly unassailable electoral position.

Well. There's been more than one party over the years, that's been pretty good at that...

[thebish]

So a couple of Tory cabinet ministers think Cameron should stay if the referendum vote is for "out"...Surely, that wouldn't logistically work. Apart from anything else, I'd have thought one of the Conservative "out" campaigners would need to lead, to ensure they were accountable for the claims they make, pre referendum? Put their proverbial cock on the block?

there's no chance at all cameron would survive an OUT vote... but then he double-pinky-promised that he'd serve a full term (to stop us being scared of the "vote cameron get osborne" possibility - so he'll be in a bind...

I know you could determine that there was going to be a Minister for Exit or suchlike, but I don't see how any "Remainers" could lead any Government on a course so fundamentally different than the one they were supporting, touching so many policy areas - that would apply to any government. Surely you'd have to have someone in charge who was fully committed to getting all the outcomes that have and no doubt will be promised between now and referendum time.

yes - I agree - there's no way cameron will survive an OUT vote!

[thebish]

Has this new government actually got any of its proposals through yet??

their flagship Housing Bill is currently being irreparably shredded in the Lords... Backbenchers are rebelling against the forced-conversion of all schools into academies... welfare reform was shot down in flames....
the budget tax changes?? well - that was embarassing...

limping along with no workable ideas and still four years to run...

[Bijou Bob]

......still, I suspect it's better than it would be in Jezza's socialist utopia.

[bobo the clown]

So ... last night the "Leader of the Free Wirkd" flew into the 51st State to tell us what to do.

The worst President since Niton ... & there are arguments to say he's been worse than him ... the one who decided the US was bored with the middle east, ABD picked a fight with Israel to boot .... good outcome there Barak, AND with Europe, so Russia tested our edges. But he'd focus on Asia ... with f'call outcome.

Insults the UK .... & has his minions scurrying around to "unsay" what he said. Made zero progress on his gun control campaigns and not closed Guatanamo despite 8 years trying.

Now tells the UK what to do about Europe & says we are better fighting terrorism whilst in it. How would he know.

At least he improved his golf handicap whilst in office.