Brexit or Britin

[thebish]

Not learned anything Labour have they?

More of the same

Project fear, the very thing turning people to 'out'.

hmmmm.... you're worried about project fear? really???

[Hoboh]

Not learned anything Labour have they?

More of the same

Project fear, the very thing turning people to 'out'.

hmmmm.... you're worried about project fear? really???

Saying nothing about it being taken down pretty quickly, nor all main leavers, your devil incarnate Farage included have condemned it?

Thought not!

[thebish]

^ was that picture posted by LEAVE.EU? a simple yes or no will do...

and farage and the main outers also have form here....

Days after the Paris terror attacks, the Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, claimed the EU was “seriously imperilling our security” because of the risk of terrorists posing as migrants.

In February, Iain Duncan Smith argued that the UK would be more exposed to Paris-style terror attacks if it stays in the EU.


"project fear" indeed! give your head a shake!

[Hoboh]

^ was that picture posted by LEAVE.EU? a simple yes or no will do...

and farage and the main outers also have form here....

Days after the Paris terror attacks, the Ukip leader, Nigel Farage, claimed the EU was “seriously imperilling our security” because of the risk of terrorists posing as migrants.

In February, Iain Duncan Smith argued that the UK would be more exposed to Paris-style terror attacks if it stays in the EU.


"project fear" indeed! give your head a shake!

They are, fact.

It would seem that the EU border control is so bad that reports are emerging about Russian security services warning the French that up to 300 thugs were on route, how many times recently have they failed to act upon tip offs?

Our security is at risk because of lack of control over borders, did the migrants at Calais just appear or wander through the EU at will in the hope of reaching the UK?

And don't get started on the joke of peace in Europe with a non existent EU army, NATO has kept peace in Europe.

Project fear my ass, you should take a strong swig of realism.

[Worthy4England]

That's so mixed up, I'm not sure where to begin.

Which of the above does the poster believe wouldn't have occurred, had we not been in the EU?

Well ... at a guess ... at least some of those he says received EU grants to help the moves & closures along.

I could be wrong mind.

Not quite - he says they received grants. What they generally do is determine they're going to move, come up with a number of possible locations that might fit the bill, then look if there's any grants that might help them along the way. That's a bit different than EU giving a grant that is the reason for the move. At least some of the ones on the list, I know for a fact were looking at different facilities than the ones in the UK anyhow.

If the cost of labour for manufacturing is more beneficial in Poland (or any of the other countries mentioned) then companies are going to look there. We've lost jobs to other locations (inside and outside the EU) over the last 20 years and I'm sure it will continue. Whether we're inside or outside the EU isn't really relevant to that decision.

[Hoboh]

That's so mixed up, I'm not sure where to begin.

Which of the above does the poster believe wouldn't have occurred, had we not been in the EU?

Well ... at a guess ... at least some of those he says received EU grants to help the moves & closures along.

I could be wrong mind.

Not quite - he says they received grants. What they generally do is determine they're going to move, come up with a number of possible locations that might fit the bill, then look if there's any grants that might help them along the way. That's a bit different than EU giving a grant that is the reason for the move. At least some of the ones on the list, I know for a fact were looking at different facilities than the ones in the UK anyhow.

If the cost of labour for manufacturing is more beneficial in Poland (or any of the other countries mentioned) then companies are going to look there. We've lost jobs to other locations (inside and outside the EU) over the last 20 years and I'm sure it will continue. Whether we're inside or outside the EU isn't really relevant to that decision.

I like Dyson being in favour of remaining in the EU being important for British business, yet he shifted his production to a non EU country for cheap labour.

[Hoboh]

Don't worry, Emily Thornberry is out to mobilise the working class vote!

[Worthy4England]

That's so mixed up, I'm not sure where to begin.

Which of the above does the poster believe wouldn't have occurred, had we not been in the EU?

Well ... at a guess ... at least some of those he says received EU grants to help the moves & closures along.

I could be wrong mind.

Not quite - he says they received grants. What they generally do is determine they're going to move, come up with a number of possible locations that might fit the bill, then look if there's any grants that might help them along the way. That's a bit different than EU giving a grant that is the reason for the move. At least some of the ones on the list, I know for a fact were looking at different facilities than the ones in the UK anyhow.

If the cost of labour for manufacturing is more beneficial in Poland (or any of the other countries mentioned) then companies are going to look there. We've lost jobs to other locations (inside and outside the EU) over the last 20 years and I'm sure it will continue. Whether we're inside or outside the EU isn't really relevant to that decision.

I like Dyson being in favour of remaining in the EU being important for British business, yet he shifted his production to a non EU country for cheap labour.

Dyson said out, actually.

I mean I wouldn't expect anything like facts from Brexit of course...

[Hoboh]

Asked what a leave vote would mean for the health service, Osborne said: “If we quit, the NHS will be worse off.”

The chancellor, who ditched planned cuts to personal independence payments following a backlash after his budget, said Brexit could put cuts to support for disabled people back on the agenda.

Over to you bish

[Hoboh]

That's so mixed up, I'm not sure where to begin.

Which of the above does the poster believe wouldn't have occurred, had we not been in the EU?

Well ... at a guess ... at least some of those he says received EU grants to help the moves & closures along.

I could be wrong mind.

Not quite - he says they received grants. What they generally do is determine they're going to move, come up with a number of possible locations that might fit the bill, then look if there's any grants that might help them along the way. That's a bit different than EU giving a grant that is the reason for the move. At least some of the ones on the list, I know for a fact were looking at different facilities than the ones in the UK anyhow.

If the cost of labour for manufacturing is more beneficial in Poland (or any of the other countries mentioned) then companies are going to look there. We've lost jobs to other locations (inside and outside the EU) over the last 20 years and I'm sure it will continue. Whether we're inside or outside the EU isn't really relevant to that decision.

I like Dyson being in favour of remaining in the EU being important for British business, yet he shifted his production to a non EU country for cheap labour.

Dyson said out, actually.

I mean I wouldn't expect anything like facts from Brexit of course...

Hands up I fecked up there

[Worthy4England]

^^ There'll be a few Brexiteers saying that if we vote out....

[Hoboh]

^^ There'll be a few Brexiteers saying that if we vote out....

I was actually just reading a headline and he appeared under Justin Welby, massive jump to conclusion.

Nearly as bad as the knob that released that thing bish was waving about but not quite as distasteful.

[Hoboh]

I know there are some questionable people on both sides of the argument, but this!

Martin McGuinness, a former member of the IRA army council, pledged to campaign for In.

[Hoboh]

After all the lies, the deceit, the equivocation. The rogues gallery of failed, discredited and downright dishonest politicians. The constant drip, drip, drip of tales of woe, gloom, despondency relating to the economy, financial wellbeing of our fair citizens, the effects on our health, the negative effects on bird populations and butterflies and the humble bumble bee. Every aspects of our lives analysed, critiqued and eviscerated in the name of remaining in the most insidious, homogenising agent of misfortune the European could ever imagine. It all comes down to the lowly, disenfranchised taken for granted working man to decide the fate of the establishment. How poignant, how poetic, how utterly brilliant that the fate of the EU might be decided by Gary from Gillingham.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Dyson said out, actually.

Not to mention his argument for leaving being laughable.

Anyway, his vacuum cleaners are shit and fall apart, so he might as well fcuk off to China or somewhere.

[bobo the clown]

Dyson said out, actually.

Not to mention his argument for leaving being laughable.

Anyway, his vacuum cleaners are shit and fall apartso he might as well fcuk off to China or somewhere.

They'll be the ones made in Poland. Mark my words.

[bobo the clown]

Donald Tusk sounds panicky. Maybe the authorities should have treated Cameron's "negotiations" with a tad more respect then.

BBC News: Donald Tusk: Brexit could destroy Western political civilisation -
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.... & a serious question here. Should there be a narrow vote to Remain does anyone feel the EU apparatchiks will feel "phew. We need to learn some lessons here" or "right, full steam ahead and let's start getting things pushed through at a quicker rate" ?

[Worthy4England]

Donald Tusk sounds panicky. Maybe the authorities should have treated Cameron's "negotiations" with a tad more respect then.

BBC News: Donald Tusk: Brexit could destroy Western political civilisation -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36515680" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


.... & a serious question here. Should there be a narrow vote to Remain does anyone feel the EU apparatchiks will feel "phew. We need to learn some lessons here" or "right, full steam ahead and let's start getting things pushed through at a quicker rate" ?

I dunno, if there was a narrow exit vote, would you expect the government to take note or withdraw at the quickest rate?

[thebish]

I like Dyson being in favour of remaining in the EU being important for British business, yet he shifted his production to a non EU country for cheap labour.

yep... that's kinda how our economy works - we do not operate on a state-controlled manufacturing model - we are a free-market democracy. Are you suggesting that companies (post EU) will be forced to stay here rather than move within their own profit-driven interests? If so - that's a very bold and radical proposition!

as worthy points out, that list confuses the availability of regional grants (infrastructure etc.) and companies taking advantage of the benefits of moving where that cash is being spent... I very much doubt (unless someone can authoritatively tell me otherwise, that any of them were given a grant by the EU "in order to move" out of the UK...

thing is... even if you still have your shocked face on - those EU grants will still be awarded across Europe if we vote to leave - UK companies will still weigh up the economic factors of basing their operations here or somewhere else - so I'm not sure how this would sensibly impact anyone's votingt intentions...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

In a YouGov poll 91% of UK voters back Brexit. Fcuk knows what planet the other 9%live on