The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

Mere rumours in the press haven't stopped you posting all sorts over the years. In fact you've been prolific at it.

There may well be people who put him down as a right wing extremist, but don't worry, they'll all be looney lefty tree huggers.

I think you will find most of the posts have been more than rumours dear boy, get over it.

[Hoboh]

Apparently he's reported as giving his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" in his first court appearance. S'pose we'll get told that's just hearsay too.

I suppose you knew all about that yesterday as well?

Some people really think they are a smart ass!

I suppose the story circulating yesterday that he saw a councillor the day before the attack who has said he seemed extremely disturbed is bollocks as well?

Ah well, as you were, carry on.

[Worthy4England]

In fairness, extremely disturbed will sit well with the other swivel eyed loons.

[thebish]

whilst I understand the emotional response: "people who do really bad stuff must be mentally ill" (and I have no idea what happened in this particular murder), when something senseless happens - I think it is a misjudgement in that it doesn't really do justice to the fact that we are all capable of bad stuff - very bad stuff...

for many centuries the church called this essential human condition "sin" - though I prefer the more modern descriptive "Humans' inexhaustible propensity to f*ck things up". If we insist that everyone who does bad murders should be classed as mentally ill - then we safely distance them from "ourselves" and conclude they are not like us... the scary thing is - they are like "us"... it's hiding from something which seems simply to be part of the human condition.

now - maybe this latest murderer IS mentally ill - I don't know - but they are not ALL mentally ill...

[BWFC_Insane]

whilst I understand the emotional response: "people who do really bad stuff must be mentally ill" (and I have no idea what happened in this particular murder), when something senseless happens - I think it is a misjudgement in that it doesn't really do justice to the fact that we are all capable of bad stuff - very bad stuff...

for many centuries the church called this essential human condition "sin" - though I prefer the more modern descriptive "Humans' inexhaustible propensity to f*ck things up". If we insist that everyone who does bad murders should be classed as mentally ill - then we safely distance them from "ourselves" and conclude they are not like us... the scary thing is - they are like "us"... it's hiding from something which seems simply to be part of the human condition.

now - maybe this latest murderer IS mentally ill - I don't know - but they are not ALL mentally ill...

Agreed, though it is very hard to define mental illness.

[thebish]

[Bijou Bob]

We didn't have the right to a fair trial before an EHCR ruling? We had slavery? We couldn't follow a religion of our choice? What utter bollocks.

[bobo the clown]

We didn't have the right to a fair trial before an EHCR ruling? We had slavery? We couldn't follow a religion of our choice? What utter bollocks.

No, no, no.

You HAVE to do what the lovies want. You HAVE to agree .... and you HAVE to believe that the one-size fits all would be ripped up with nothing replacing it.

There. That's you told.

[TANGODANCER]

We didn't have the right to a fair trial before an EHCR ruling? We had slavery? We couldn't follow a religion of our choice? What utter bollocks.

No, no, no.You HAVE to do what the lovies want. You HAVE to agree .... and you HAVE to believe that the one-size fits all would be ripped up with nothing replacing it. There. That's you told.

^^ A Swedish guy on an art forum I'm a member of - thus, granted he's speaking of art - claims that people today over-react against strong views and forceful personalities. Are they supposed to remain silent and subservient? In my view this "forceful personality" angle usually tends towards "loudest voice wins", almost as if some have no right to comment or disagree on pompous or bombastic views, and could well apply to lots of things, including politics.

[TANGODANCER]

On the Brexit: Seems George Osbourne is dispelling the Narnia myth and saying once we go through the wardrobe door there's no coming back. Wonder if it'll be snowing out there?

[Hoboh]

Larry Elliott: ‘Corbyn looked about as comfortable as a hostage reading out a ransom demand’

At times, it was hard to tell which side Jeremy Corbyn was actually backing. During his 30 minutes answering questions on Sky News, he said the way Europe had handled the refugee crisis was appalling, opposed the free trade agreement Brussels is trying to negotiate with Washington as wholly wrong, condemned the way multinational corporations can exploit loopholes in employment law, and said he would not tolerate Europe attempting to prevent a future Labour government from fully renationalising the railways.

When, towards the end of his appearance, the Labour leader said “I am not a lover of the European Union”, it was a statement of the blindingly obvious.

Then again, Corbyn was never going to be the most convincing advocate for Britain remaining in the EU. As he was reminded by Sky’s Faisal Islam, he has a history of euroscepticism stretching back to 1975 when he voted in favour of coming out. Had this referendum been held before Corbyn became leader of the Labour party there is little doubt which side he would have supported.

As a result, it was hardly surprising that on Sky News Corbyn looked about as comfortable as a hostage reading out a ransom demand written by his kidnappers. That was despite the fact that his one outing before a live audience during the campaign was with young Londoners and was more of a light toasting than the grilling other politicians have received.

From time to time, Corbyn realised that his job was to shore up support for the EU among Labour voters and expressed his support for a collective response to tax havens, the environment and refugees. But old habits die hard. Corbyn said he was for remain. But anybody watching could be forgiven for wondering which way he will actually vote on Thursday.

[Worthy4England]

No news then.

[thebish]

A politician simply being honest and saying an issue is not totally black and white - it's not a choice between something perfect and something demonic - it's just the best choice out of two options, neither of which represents perfection.

That's just honest and grown-up - not summat to slag a politician for, surely?

[Prufrock]

Except thats not the case. Corbyn is and has always been an outer but the party wouldn't have it.

Could be argued it's a man trying to run the party by consensus which I'd is grown up, but he doesn't seem very good at the acting bit.

[Hoboh]

A politician simply being honest and saying an issue is not totally black and white - it's not a choice between something perfect and something demonic - it's just the best choice out of two options, neither of which represents perfection.

That's just honest and grown-up - not summat to slag a politician for, surely?

A bloke who cannot make his mind up about something

A bloke with the personality of a wet kipper

A bloke who comes across like he's reading a pre-prepared script.

A bloke who thinks he can be prime minister.

Have a day off Mr one world!

[BWFC_Insane]

A politician simply being honest and saying an issue is not totally black and white - it's not a choice between something perfect and something demonic - it's just the best choice out of two options, neither of which represents perfection.

That's just honest and grown-up - not summat to slag a politician for, surely?

A bloke who cannot make his mind up about something

A bloke with the personality of a wet kipper

A bloke who comes across like he's reading a pre-prepared script.

A bloke who thinks he can be prime minister.

Have a day off Mr one world!

We're not talking about Boris here...

[Hoboh]

A politician simply being honest and saying an issue is not totally black and white - it's not a choice between something perfect and something demonic - it's just the best choice out of two options, neither of which represents perfection.

That's just honest and grown-up - not summat to slag a politician for, surely?

A bloke who cannot make his mind up about something

A bloke with the personality of a wet kipper

A bloke who comes across like he's reading a pre-prepared script.

A bloke who thinks he can be prime minister.

Have a day off Mr one world!

We're not talking about Boris here...

No your socialist piece of kitchen roll, Corbyn.

Lets face it mate you are a died in the wool undercover ex-workers revolutionary party member and Corbyn's rise to power your wet dream.
Well news for you sunshine most of the country cannot stand the prick nor his dogs of war backers the union barons, if unions were so popular their memberships would be massive, not having to keep merging through dwindling numbers.
This is the last hurrah of the socialist, enjoy it, the EU mandarins will kill it stone dead if we stay.

And just wtf has Boris got to do with it, is he a party leader or are you whipping up the hearsay and hysterics of jurno's?

[BWFC_Insane]

No your socialist piece of kitchen roll, Corbyn.

Lets face it mate you are a died in the wool undercover ex-workers revolutionary party member and Corbyn's rise to power your wet dream.
Well news for you sunshine most of the country cannot stand the prick nor his dogs of war backers the union barons, if unions were so popular their memberships would be massive, not having to keep merging through dwindling numbers.
This is the last hurrah of the socialist, enjoy it, the EU mandarins will kill it stone dead if we stay.

And just wtf has Boris got to do with it, is he a party leader or are you whipping up the hearsay and hysterics of jurno's?

Seriously I think you've lost your mind. You're totally mental. I've never once proclaimed much support for Corbyn. He wasn't my choice and he's made the Labour party even more unelectable than they were before.

The point is that you seem to ignore Boris Johnson, once a pro EU man who advocated Turkey joining the EU, completely flip-flopping towards the out campaign, merely because he senses political opportunity.

Corbyn may dislike the EU but like Bish says at least he acknowledges the complexities involved rather than pretending the past few years and decades don't exist.

[Worthy4England]

This is the last hurrah of the socialist, enjoy it, the EU mandarins will kill it stone dead if we stay.

That's probably the funniest thing I've ever read.

Boris, Gove, IDS, Farage - all noted for their secret socialist leanings.

[Hoboh]

This is the last hurrah of the socialist, enjoy it, the EU mandarins will kill it stone dead if we stay.

That's probably the funniest thing I've ever read.

Boris, Gove, IDS, Farage - all noted for their secret socialist leanings.

Laugh on laughing boy, lets see what happens Thursday.