Brexit or Britin

[Worthy4England]

In much better news, the multi-millionaire Boris has promised to apologise if Brexit triggered a recession. That'll help anyone impacted by it to pay the leccy bill. Thanks Boris, that's helped me make my mind up.

[Beefheart]

Didn't watch the debate last night because I'm not a fecking masochist but from what I hear Ruth Davidson was good and Michael Gove thinks he's Einstein and everyone who disagrees are Nazi's?

[Bijou Bob]

There's been plenty of that on both sides. Perhaps you've been blinded to that.

The really great news is there's only one day of lying left before the vote, then our democratic process will kick in and then no one needs to mention it ever again.

You're kidding, right? There will follow at least 2 weeks of analysis and political payback whatever the result. Friday evening/ Saturday morning may well see something akin to Night of the Long Knives.

[Worthy4England]

Yeah, I was kidding, right!

[Hoboh]

Didn't watch the debate last night because I'm not a fecking masochist but from what I hear Ruth Davidson was good and Michael Gove thinks he's Einstein and everyone who disagrees are Nazi's?

Michael Grove?

Which debate was this?

Ruth Davidson came across as a loud, shouty, smug, SNP type, but then you like them don't you?

I was actually disappointed wee jimmy didn't show up instead, still at least the TUC representative managed to keep up where Eagles left off.

If it's any consolation, Boris was rather poor as well, in fact the whole lot from both sides were, so you saved a couple of hours of your life.

The football was much better.

[Beefheart]

Didn't watch the debate last night because I'm not a fecking masochist but from what I hear Ruth Davidson was good and Michael Gove thinks he's Einstein and everyone who disagrees are Nazi's?

Michael Grove?

Which debate was this?

Ruth Davidson came across as a loud, shouty, smug, SNP type, but then you like them don't you?

I was actually disappointed wee jimmy didn't show up instead, still at least the TUC representative managed to keep up where Eagles left off.

If it's any consolation, Boris was rather poor as well, in fact the whole lot from both sides were, so you saved a couple of hours of your life.

The football was much better.

Apparently Michael Gove was a separate event. Apologies.

[Hoboh]

Didn't watch the debate last night because I'm not a fecking masochist but from what I hear Ruth Davidson was good and Michael Gove thinks he's Einstein and everyone who disagrees are Nazi's?

Michael Grove?

Which debate was this?

Ruth Davidson came across as a loud, shouty, smug, SNP type, but then you like them don't you?

I was actually disappointed wee jimmy didn't show up instead, still at least the TUC representative managed to keep up where Eagles left off.

If it's any consolation, Boris was rather poor as well, in fact the whole lot from both sides were, so you saved a couple of hours of your life.

The football was much better.

Apparently Michael Gove was a separate event. Apologies.

After my monumental cock up the other day, no problem

[Worthy4England]

Didn't watch the debate last night because I'm not a fecking masochist but from what I hear Ruth Davidson was good and Michael Gove thinks he's Einstein and everyone who disagrees are Nazi's?

Michael Grove?

Which debate was this?

Ruth Davidson came across as a loud, shouty, smug, SNP type, but then you like them don't you?

I was actually disappointed wee jimmy didn't show up instead, still at least the TUC representative managed to keep up where Eagles left off.

If it's any consolation, Boris was rather poor as well, in fact the whole lot from both sides were, so you saved a couple of hours of your life.

The football was much better.

Apparently Michael Gove was a separate event. Apologies.

I know you didn't say she was a member of the SNP, but to be clear, Ruth Davidson is the Leader of the Conservative Party in Scotland.

[Prufrock]

He means she's a Scottish No-Penis

[Worthy4England]

He means she's a Scottish No-Penis

[Hoboh]

He means she's a Scottish No-Penis

[Hoboh]

Anyway back on topic of the threat to democracy by the EU, remember this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/econ ... power.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And the jobs debate

Official unemployment is 9% across the union and over 10% in the euro area. And those figures are flattered by unemployment rates of just over 4% in the EU’s biggest country, Germany, and the UK’s rather dubious 5%, which excludes the millions on zero-hours, part-time and temporary contracts. In Greece, 24% are unemployed and 20% in Spain.

Youth unemployment (under-25s) is 51% in Greece, 45% in Spain, around 40% in Croatia and Italy, and over 30% in Portugal, with an average of 19% across the EU. The only response in an austerity-bound EU is migration. It was somewhat odd to hear Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the party of which I am a member, explaining this matter-of-factly and with obvious approval, given the overtones of Norman Tebbit’s “on yer bike”.

And on workers rights

But it can change, says Another Europe is Possible. We can elect social democratic national governments that can change EU policy. Apart from the fact that people are suffering here and now, social democrats were elected in France and Italy to do just that, but the policies that the governments of Manual Valls and Matteo Renzi are trying to implement are to dilute and weaken the very workers’ rights that remainers proclaim can only be protected by membership of the EU.

As Larry Elliott and Dan Atkinson explain with great clarity in their book Europe Isn’t Working, the single currency euro regime means that Europe’s nation states can no longer devalue their currencies to deal with uncompetitiveness: they must devalue the wages and conditions of their workers instead. At the moment, it seems that the pooled sovereignty of the EU is part of the problem, not part of the solution to growing European inequality and poverty.

The single market is a good thing, well if it worked correctly most of our service industries struggle because of various financial protectionism around different countries, the only way around this is joining the Euro and submitting to the European bank setting all matters in fiscal policy, a real bad move but read the five presidents report and that's what they want.

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[Beefheart]

ECB sets monetary policy, not fiscal.

[Worthy4England]

most of our service industries struggle

Where did you get that butt-nugget from?

[Hoboh]

ECB sets monetary policy, not fiscal.

See no 3 in the report.

[Hoboh]

most of our service industries struggle

Where did you get that butt-nugget from?

Have we got completely free movement of goods? No. Is the Single Market complete? Not by a long way. If the Single Market were complete, it would be a huge bonus to the United Kingdom with our service, insurance, and banking activities in other European nations. So are we to be told by our European friends that free movement of people is sacrosanct, it is a founding elements of the European Union and it cannot even be constrained at a time of emergency, and yet all of the other things that we signed up to in 1973 and enshrined in legislation in 1987 can be left unfinished? How would Germany respond to that argument if it were in our shoes?

The European: One could think the response would be: Before we restrict the Freedom of Movement, we should rather make sure all other agreements are honoured.
Major: Let us do so then. Let us do so and it will change the British perception of Europe. Let us have complete Freedom of Movement. Let us complete the Single Market. Let us complete an energy market. Let us complete a digital market. Let us complete a free movement of goods. Let us complete a free movement of services. Not only would that spark the most enormous boom to the whole of Europe, but you would also strip away many of the things that cause the British to think: “Is this what we expected when we joined the European Union?” If we were able to do that and reach the TTIP agreement with the Americans, we would revolutionize Europe. And we would achieve a degree of competitiveness that enables us to compete with China and America. Because if we don’t, in those mythical 50 years I am talking about, if we continue to be less competitive, our living standards will fall below what they should be. If politics exist for anything, it must be to increase the living standards of the people the politicians were elected to serve. If Europe had completed all these other founding freedoms, you would have cut the British argument about Freedom of Movement at the knees.

Europhile supreme
20.01.2015
John Major, Remains biggest fan who interestingly approves of TTIP.

Want the full read

http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/joh ... -relations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Worthy4England]

And which bit of that randomness is showing me where "most of our service industries struggle". It's not jumping out at me...

[Prufrock]

So ours is 5%? The second lowest? While we're in the EU? How awful.

[Bruce Rioja]

How's the counting being done? Does every single vote throughout the land get totted up then collectively count against each other, or is it counted by council district (ie. Bolton's in but Salford's out so 1-1)? It's just occurred to me that I haven't a clue.

[thebish]

In much better news, the multi-millionaire Boris has promised to apologise if Brexit triggered a recession. That'll help anyone impacted by it to pay the leccy bill. Thanks Boris, that's helped me make my mind up.

that's generous - and had I not already voted - might have been a real game-changer...