Brexit or Britin

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I think(?) I'm the only scientist on the board, so I just want to leave this article here. Regardless of how you voted this is going to have wider ramifications than you might be aware of from your respective personal and professional lives. I honestly think we might see a bit of a brain drain unless the government plug the funding gap - something I'm skeptical that they will do when we leave.

Not a scientist, but have a biomedical publishing background and have worked for the European Medicines Agency in the past. And yes (I think I mentioned it elsewhere in the thread) the science industry in the UK is going to take a major hit over this. Not in the industry any more, but old colleagues are worried about it.

[Worthy4England]

£25 to join the Conservative Party.

Worth every penny to vote for Boris.

That's no use as Boris would actually win a general election

Aye. Voting Boris in is madness. We'd have a mad right wing tw*t in power for a decade.

Yup. The electorate need reminding.

[BWFC_Insane]

£25 to join the Conservative Party.

Worth every penny to vote for Boris.

That's no use as Boris would actually win a general election

Aye. Voting Boris in is madness. We'd have a mad right wing tw*t in power for a decade.

You really are a poor loser are you not?

Whinge, whinge, whinge, you lost the general election, you lost the referendum, notice a pattern emerging?

Never take up betting.

I don't believe I've ever stood in any election. So yeah, nice try.

I'm excited for the economic and social utopia we've been promised materialising over the next few months. Really excited.

[Worthy4England]

Tango had a blustery and petulant reply too long to quote...

Hmmm, Tango... The thing is you were stressing how totally different it was to leave the EU and for (say) Scotland to break from the UK because (you said) it would be ridiculous to have borders for passport showing.

Yet - this is exactly the kind of thing we will now have to do somehow on our ROI border. In other words, the situations are NOT (as you claim) totally different, they are very similar.

I'm back to where I started with Scotland, leave, seal the borders, refuse to accept any Scottish pound, sever all financial ties with immediate effect and withdraw all MOD staff and equipment. Build the new frigates in Portsmouth.
Screw them for anything and ban any SNP members from travelling anywhere in the remaining UK, they are political terrorists.

Surely you mean wait until they tell us they really want to leave at their leisure, when they're good and ready and it suits them.

[thebish]

£25 to join the Conservative Party.

Worth every penny to vote for Boris.

That's no use as Boris would actually win a general election

Aye. Voting Boris in is madness. We'd have a mad right wing tw*t in power for a decade.

Not sure Boris is particularly right-wing - not on the scale of brexiters, anyway...

[Montreal Wanderer]

I think(?) I'm the only scientist on the board, so I just want to leave this article here. Regardless of how you voted this is going to have wider ramifications than you might be aware of from your respective personal and professional lives. I honestly think we might see a bit of a brain drain unless the government plug the funding gap - something I'm skeptical that they will do when we leave.

Not a scientist, but have a biomedical publishing background and have worked for the European Medicines Agency in the past. And yes (I think I mentioned it elsewhere in the thread) the science industry in the UK is going to take a major hit over this. Not in the industry any more, but old colleagues are worried about it.

Not just science but research and development generally.

[Beefheart]

I think(?) I'm the only scientist on the board, so I just want to leave this article here. Regardless of how you voted this is going to have wider ramifications than you might be aware of from your respective personal and professional lives. I honestly think we might see a bit of a brain drain unless the government plug the funding gap - something I'm skeptical that they will do when we leave.

Not a scientist, but have a biomedical publishing background and have worked for the European Medicines Agency in the past. And yes (I think I mentioned it elsewhere in the thread) the science industry in the UK is going to take a major hit over this. Not in the industry any more, but old colleagues are worried about it.

Not just science but research and development generally.

The company I work for is in the field. Not sure how badly it'll be hit but fortunately my role is EMEA wide but must be concerning for those in the UK business.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I think(?) I'm the only scientist on the board, so I just want to leave this article here. Regardless of how you voted this is going to have wider ramifications than you might be aware of from your respective personal and professional lives. I honestly think we might see a bit of a brain drain unless the government plug the funding gap - something I'm skeptical that they will do when we leave.

Not a scientist, but have a biomedical publishing background and have worked for the European Medicines Agency in the past. And yes (I think I mentioned it elsewhere in the thread) the science industry in the UK is going to take a major hit over this. Not in the industry any more, but old colleagues are worried about it.

Not just science but research and development generally.

I'd agree. Anything investment wise will suffer as successive governments have proven to be short termist, which is hardly surprising when the electorate has the attention span of a gnat! Science will particularly suffer as it is a leading industry here and I can see lots of it shifting to Europe.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I can understand and to some extent sympathize with those, like Quebecers, Scots, etc. who seek independence to preserve their language, culture, etc. in the full knowledge that there will be stiff economic price to pay - and consider the price worth it. However, those who voted leave because they believed a few hundred million would be pumped into the NHS, that immigration problems would go away, and those, as I've heard, thought remain would win so may as well have protest vote as well as those who had no clue about the issues, have only themselves to blame if they are now alarmed. I am still amazed at the naivety of Little Englanders and I truly believed that most would have a better understanding of the issues. This makes me as naïve as them I suppose.

[Lord Kangana]

15 years worth of payments to the EU were wiped off the value of Britain yesterday Monty. This cannot and will not stand in the long run, despite whatever pusillanimous fantasists wish to think.

[Hoboh]

Perhaps all the 'youth' out protesting against a democratic vote should have one so before the referendum was set in stone.

I think the arrogance shown in spouting the crap they have been sold out by oldies should be rewarded.

Maybe when the want financial support through University the taps should be turned off.

Maybe when they want a place to doss out in without contributing much to the running of the place, until their mid 20's, they should get the boot.

Perhaps when Grandad and Grandma are on the list for contributions or paying their housing deposits from pensions/savings they should be told it's going on a holiday home.

The young have had their arses wiped for too long and biting the hand, that in some cases literally feeds them, is a bit rich.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Maybe they want the same opportunities that you and I had. Affordable /free education, affordable housing, pensions that might have been worth something and the opportunity to live and work abroad. How politically aware and engaged were you at that age? The youth of today might be a bit soft and have it easy in some ways, but they've been brought up in a world created by our and older generations and well and truly shafted by recent governments. I'd be angry if I were one of them.

[bobo the clown]

£25 to join the Conservative Party.

Worth every penny to vote for Boris.

Bobo got a cheaper deal to vote for corbyn.. Tories = robbing bstards!

It was a mere £tenner. But it was gauged to get communists, the unemployable and students from shite universities to sign up so to vote the bag-man into the leadership.

How's that going btw ?

[Worthy4England]

^^ They have a real problem here. Corbyn was elected by a huge margin of people all gathered in a Portacabin, assuming because they're all in agreement with each other, everyone outside the portacabin will be too. Talk of lots of shadow cabinet resignations today, but 9 months on from his election, I don't see any real new candidates than last time. If they come up with a similarly uninspiring list, it'll just be another clusterfcuk.

[Lord Kangana]

Maybe they want the same opportunities that you and I had. Affordable /free education, affordable housing, pensions that might have been worth something and the opportunity to live and work abroad. How politically aware and engaged were you at that age? The youth of today might be a bit soft and have it easy in some ways, but they've been brought up in a world created by our and older generations and well and truly shafted by recent governments. I'd be angry if I were one of them.

Don't be stupid, it's all the young's fault.

Luckily, Boris and Gove will no doubt deliver a better deal for the poor, dipossessed and uneducated of this country by raising the minimum wage, raising the top level of income tax, scrapping tuition fees, reinstating free education for all, subsidising uncompetitive industry (let's start in their new heartland of Wales) and reinstating labour laws in favour of workers. Now that those pesky Europeans can't stop them doing those things, we can go back to the world hoboh once knew.

Or, as my mother (a lifelong Tory) put it "those idiots in labour wanted the 70's back, now Johnson and Gove have managed it. How stupid, the seventies were a horrible time".

[bobo the clown]

^^ They have a real problem here. Corbyn was elected by a huge margin of people all gathered in a Portacabin, assuming because they're all in agreement with each other, everyone outside the portacabin will be too. Talk of lots of shadow cabinet resignations today, but 9 months on from his election, I don't see any real new candidates than last time. If they come up with a similarly uninspiring list, it'll just be another clusterfcuk.

Worse than that. The leadership rules give votes to all members ....so if the PLP turn (openly) against him he could simply resubmit for election and win all over again.

A real Party v MP schism.

He's not & never has been a leader. He's a campaigner. It's quite easy to be negative about hundreds if things so long as you never have to join the dots.


#2 son, who has his ear to the ground in these matters told me that some Labour Party aides he knows were in despair in the weeks running up to the Referendum as they simply couldn't engage him on the matter. He avoided discussions, was 'too busy' to campaign, had other people to meet .... made more obvious because everyone knows he's naturally a "Leave" man anyway.

Turns out he's spent the past month preparing HIS OWN speech (ie. Written by him directly ... & shared with only his cliqueiest of cliques) targeting Blair once Chilcott gets released. Getting Blair arrested & jailed via the Hague has taken precedence over this.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ They have a real problem here. Corbyn was elected by a huge margin of people all gathered in a Portacabin, assuming because they're all in agreement with each other, everyone outside the portacabin will be too. Talk of lots of shadow cabinet resignations today, but 9 months on from his election, I don't see any real new candidates than last time. If they come up with a similarly uninspiring list, it'll just be another clusterfcuk.

Exactly this. Someone on here once argued Corbyn was a sign of a 'political revolution' which is even more ironic now.
Labour need to get real quickly and reconnect with the people who actually turn up and vote in a GE.

[Lord Kangana]

Erm, yeah not quite, more a symbol of people's dissatisfaction with the current political climate. Just like last thursday. It seems no-one is willing to learn from either of those events still.

[Harry Genshaw]

^ so being in the EU wasn't doing you any favours then? You must have voted 'leave' right?

[thebish]

£25 to join the Conservative Party.

Worth every penny to vote for Boris.

Bobo got a cheaper deal to vote for corbyn.. Tories = robbing bstards!

It was a mere £tenner. But it was gauged to get communists, the unemployable and students from shite universities to sign up so to vote the bag-man into the leadership.

How's that going btw ?

It seems to be going about as well as the happy-ever-after Tory govt you craved!