Brexit or Britin

[Hoboh]

Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to bypass the UK Government and lobby the EU directly to let Scotland stay has suffered a major setback after the president of the powerful European Council rejected her invitation for talks.

Donald Tusk, the council president, declined her overtures by arguing that a meeting would be “not appropriate” given the “situation in the UK.”

His refusal is significant as the European Council comprises the heads of all the member states, who would have to unanimously agree to any special deal for Scotland, whether it was independent or not.

Several central and eastern European states are reported to be concerned that meeting Ms Sturgeon would encourage other separatist movements.

[Hoboh]

Anyone want the reason for the leave vote, here you go.

The embattled Mr Juncker has been heavily criticised throughout Europe for his part in Britain's decision to cut ties with Brussels but used his address to a special session of the European Parliament to fight back.

Hitting back at calls for him to resign, he told MEPs he was going nowhere and pledged to continue fighting towards his goal of a federal Europe.

In a rare personal note, the 61-year-old former Luxembourg prime minister struck out at critics, notably in the German press but also among east European governments, who have called on him to stand down following the Brexit vote.

[Lord Kangana]

Are you not as equally pissed off with the politician who promised you the moon on a stick, and has actually admitted that he wants access to the EEA? If you even understood what that sentence means, you'd probably be with the Scots on your knees right now.

You're going to get a hell of a shock when you come down on Christmas morning and this Unicorn you've been promised turns out to be a pony with a banana stuck to its face.

[thebish]

A straight banana??

[Lord Kangana]

No! Those days are gome! A good old-fashioned Imperial bent banana!

[Beefheart]

Are you not as equally pissed off with the politician who promised you the moon on a stick, and has actually admitted that he wants access to the EEA? If you even understood what that sentence means, you'd probably be with the Scots on your knees right now.

You're going to get a hell of a shock when you come down on Christmas morning and this Unicorn you've been promised turns out to be a pony with a banana stuck to its face.

We've fecked it. We had a more favourable deal than any other country, and now we're desperately scrambling to get as close to it as possible whilst having to promise all the leavers that we won't have to accept free movement or any EU laws. So you either have free movement, and piss off all the remainers who voted, essentially, for less immigration, or you tank the economy which always stokes up anti-immigrant sentiments anyway. Get out of that one, Boris.

[boltonboris]

Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to bypass the UK Government and lobby the EU directly to let Scotland stay has suffered a major setback after the president of the powerful European Council rejected her invitation for talks.

Donald Tusk, the council president, declined her overtures by arguing that a meeting would be “not appropriate” given the “situation in the UK.”

His refusal is significant as the European Council comprises the heads of all the member states, who would have to unanimously agree to any special deal for Scotland, whether it was independent or not.

Several central and eastern European states are reported to be concerned that meeting Ms Sturgeon would encourage other separatist movements.

Agree that they won't vote them in, but they ARE meeting

[Lord Kangana]

Under very complex EU Laws (aren't they always!), it would only be after article 50 is triggered that Scotland could go for independence and rejoining the EU. Also, when article 50 is triggered (a far from foregone conclusion yet) that Spain will then go for a reclaim of Gibraltar, as our membership of the EU has been protecting them for a long time. Ironic, isn't it?

[boltonboris]

Under very complex EU Laws (aren't they always!), it would only be after article 50 is triggered that Scotland could go for independence and rejoining the EU. Also, when article 50 is triggered (a far from foregone conclusion yet) that Spain will then go for a reclaim of Gibraltar, as our membership of the EU has been protecting them for a long time. Ironic, isn't it?

But Spain also run the risk of losing Basque / Catalonia if they a breakaway state claim independence and acceptance into EU - That can't happen for them

[boltonboris]

Was watching Good Morning Britain this morning (I know, I know) and they had the German adviser to the chancellor on.. He kept referring to the EU as "the club"

Quite pertinent wording I thought..

[Lord Kangana]

Under very complex EU Laws (aren't they always!), it would only be after article 50 is triggered that Scotland could go for independence and rejoining the EU. Also, when article 50 is triggered (a far from foregone conclusion yet) that Spain will then go for a reclaim of Gibraltar, as our membership of the EU has been protecting them for a long time. Ironic, isn't it?

But Spain also run the risk of losing Basque / Catalonia if they a breakaway state claim independence and acceptance into EU - That can't happen for them

Understood, but as I say that is to do with complex EU agreements ( I think rather than laws). At the moment it would set legal precedent that the Spanish couldn't wriglgle out of, as we are both members. Outside of that protectio, Gib is effectively on its own. Its no coincidence that an overwhelming majority there voted to remain, when you would instinctively think it to be a parochial rock of Little Englanders.

[Lord Kangana]

Sorry, that was a bit of a cack-handed response. Scotland can only do what it has said it will do once article 50 is enacted and the UK isnoutside the EU. That's also what's stopping Catalans and Basques.

[Hoboh]

Boris has cancelled a meeting with over 50 Remain leaning MPs with 15 minutes' notice (something he has a habit of apparently, treating the job like a hobby from ex-colleagues' statements), and has not showed up to the Commons debate yesterday nor PMQs today. Regardless of where you fall this is outrageous behaviour from someone who is tipped to be the next Tory leader and PM. Sorry it's paywalled but link is here http://www.thetimes.co.uk/redbox/topic/ ... n-tory-mps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Totally agree

Everyone needs to pull together in the interests of the country.

Despite what some think, there are quite a few areas of common interests around Europe, it is the institution of the EU and some of it's federalist gravy train riders that want reigning in and it was quite clear reform was impossible with these people, that was my main reason for voting out.

[bobo the clown]

Separately, it does always amuse me that nations/regions so wanting to split from their current arrangements are so damn keen to hand it straight back immediately they gain independence.

[Lord Kangana]

Boris has cancelled a meeting with over 50 Remain leaning MPs with 15 minutes' notice (something he has a habit of apparently, treating the job like a hobby from ex-colleagues' statements), and has not showed up to the Commons debate yesterday nor PMQs today. Regardless of where you fall this is outrageous behaviour from someone who is tipped to be the next Tory leader and PM. Sorry it's paywalled but link is here http://www.thetimes.co.uk/redbox/topic/ ... n-tory-mps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

So both our main political parties are in open disarray, and at each others throats.

If that c*nt Farrage gets any leverage on the back of this I think i'll scream.

[Hoboh]

Separately, it does always amuse me that nations/regions so wanting to split from their current arrangements are so damn keen to hand it straight back immediately they gain independence.

I've often thought that, is it maybe, the SNP and their voters are racist towards the English and they just want out of the union, the EU is a way of hiding their racist tendencies?

[Hoboh]

Boris has cancelled a meeting with over 50 Remain leaning MPs with 15 minutes' notice (something he has a habit of apparently, treating the job like a hobby from ex-colleagues' statements), and has not showed up to the Commons debate yesterday nor PMQs today. Regardless of where you fall this is outrageous behaviour from someone who is tipped to be the next Tory leader and PM. Sorry it's paywalled but link is here http://www.thetimes.co.uk/redbox/topic/ ... n-tory-mps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

So both our main political parties are in open disarray, and at each others throats.

If that c*nt Farrage gets any leverage on the back of this I think i'll scream.

The only way Farage will gain anything is if the screaming, dummy spitting, remainers get their way.

There would be a potential 18 million votes for UKIP to have a go for.

[Hoboh]

Separately, it does always amuse me that nations/regions so wanting to split from their current arrangements are so damn keen to hand it straight back immediately they gain independence.

I've often thought that, is it maybe, the SNP and their voters are racist towards the English and they just want out of the union, the EU is a way of hiding their racist tendencies?

Either way they've made a bid to be the official opposition with Labour in open rebellion.

If they did I'd start a 'not in my name' campaign.

Wee Jimmy will be found out one day, she is the Juncker of Scotland.

[Lord Kangana]

The mans a fascist hoboh. You might be comfortable with that, I am not. I'd like to say we'd be a laughing stock with him in charge, but its far more serious than that.

[Hoboh]

The mans a fascist hoboh. You might be comfortable with that, I am not. I'd like to say we'd be a laughing stock with him in charge, but its far more serious than that.

Your biggest mistake is hanging the 'I love Farage' banner round my neck.

The reason Farage is useful is because he says things that provoke debate, something the left and liberals have been moving to supress for years, it doesn't mean you have to agree with all he says.

The EU needed a bomb under it, reform was a no go area more so for the gravy train, federalist riders, people like Merkel have a lot to answer for letting them have as much free reign as they have had.