Brexit or Britin

[bobo the clown]

So the Euro is now a runaway success ?

It simply isn't and never will be. It was founded on false premise and rules were fudged to get counties into it. It's ill managed and subject to uncontrolled pressures which are NOT in the best interests of all its members at the same time. It's an impossibility.

It depends on the complete political unity that the one-Europe people so desire but it's citizens do not. It will not survive. It's simply a matter of time before there are fresh defaults.

Otherwise, to be fair, it's very pretty.

[Lord Kangana]

Sorry, but that was just a load of waffle about how you hate the Euro.

Can you explain why you think it's a failing currency, when compared to ours it most certainly isn't. Unless you think Sterling is also failing?

[Little Green Man]

It was founded on false premise and rules were fudged to get counties into it.

Damn you, Radnorshire and Salop!

[Worthy4England]

It was founded on false premise and rules were fudged to get counties into it.

Damn you, Radnorshire and Salop!

Aye, that Pembrokshire can bugger off 'nall I always think it's in Scotland.

[Hoboh]

Sorry, but that was just a load of waffle about how you hate the Euro.

Can you explain why you think it's a failing currency, when compared to ours it most certainly isn't. Unless you think Sterling is also failing?

Admittedly this is from the beginning of 2015, but it makes me wonder what is your obsession with Sterling?

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[Montreal Wanderer]

I may have missed this if posted amongst the thousands of responses. If so, apologies. I only just saw this which predates the vote but it may strike a chord.

It has to be watched on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKu7-cLxvf0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Hoboh]

Boom! The pound just hit a new 31-year low against the US dollar.

Sterling slumped by 1.5 cents to $1.3113 following the news that UK service sector growth was hit by Brexit angst last month.

That’s below the levels hit after the referendum vote, and back to the sterling crisis of the mid-1980s.

I'm absolutely killing meself laughing at the guardian and most of it's readers over the vote, panic fannies hardly starts to describe them

Whole articles filed under Brexit Crises, comments about everything from the lights going out to simply calling everyone who doesn't want to kiss Junckers ass Nazi's, upsetting many of it's readers by constantly sniping at Corbyn while giving Eagles many column inches, then having the cheek to keep making appeals to folk to stump up cash to help maintain the papers independence.

If it goes bump I cold always go back to the mail, be hilarious to find out where all the soft headed lefties and cry baby remainers would go.

[Lord Kangana]

Why the f*ck are you blaming the Guardian? Really? Go and look on some major forex sites, they're all predicting the same.

Take some responsibility for your actions, unlike the spineless baffoons you followed blindly.

[thebish]

I'm absolutely killing meself laughing at the guardian and most of it's readers over the vote, panic fannies hardly starts to describe them

and for your next trick - when you've stopped killing yourself laughing - you can get your fiddle out, maybe?

[Hoboh]

Why the f*ck are you blaming the Guardian? Really? Go and look on some major forex sites, they're all predicting the same.

Take some responsibility for your actions, unlike the spineless baffoons you followed blindly.

When, WHEN there is an actual real crisis, not merely some buffoons trying to manufacture one supported by panic Fannie, toy's out the pram, remainers, I might start to take things seriously.

Go on then smarty pants, apart from Cameron resigning and Corbyn being knifed in the back, what has changed? We are still in the EU, we are still in a tariff free trade zone, the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, fcuk all as actually happened except the panic fannies are having their heart attacks and the wide boys will be banking funds for their next Porsche.

is this you?

[Lord Kangana]

You happened, I think is the appropriate response.

[bobo the clown]

Some people are pro the European one-state option. I get that. Some are not,.including me. However many would be happy with a more limited version and want (ed) reform. In fact I've heard very few people say they don't think what we currently have doesn't need reform.  That seems a sensible enough approach IF you trusted that anyone at the centre of things got that.

I came of the view very late on & genuinely with regret, that this wasn't going to happen.

Today this proved my view of no reform being likely to be not an unreasonable one -

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Looks like we've had a lucky escape as Martin Schulz abandons pretense and demands the EU is reformed into a Federal Super State.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... nt-in-the/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... & had we narrowly voted Remain they'd have claimed it as an endorsement & pushed for this & all bloody-hell would have kicked off.

As I believed they have no intention of the vote being a wake-up call for reform but a signal for more. Any doubts you had should be erased.

[thebish]

When, WHEN there is an actual real crisis, not merely some buffoons trying to manufacture one supported by panic Fannie, toy's out the pram, remainers, I might start to take things seriously.

by which time... it's too late! the time for taking the issue seriously was on election day!

[Hoboh]

When, WHEN there is an actual real crisis, not merely some buffoons trying to manufacture one supported by panic Fannie, toy's out the pram, remainers, I might start to take things seriously.

by which time... it's too late! the time for taking the issue seriously was on election day!

As bobo posted above I did and we have ducked the Shultz/Juncker show.

[thebish]

When, WHEN there is an actual real crisis, not merely some buffoons trying to manufacture one supported by panic Fannie, toy's out the pram, remainers, I might start to take things seriously.

by which time... it's too late! the time for taking the issue seriously was on election day!

As bobo posted above I did and we have ducked the Shultz/Juncker show.

bravo you and bobo!

[Hoboh]

When, WHEN there is an actual real crisis, not merely some buffoons trying to manufacture one supported by panic Fannie, toy's out the pram, remainers, I might start to take things seriously.

by which time... it's too late! the time for taking the issue seriously was on election day!

As bobo posted above I did and we have ducked the Shultz/Juncker show.

bravo you and bobo!

We saved your soul in the process, still we never claimed to be perfect.

[thebish]

We saved your soul in the process, still we never claimed to be perfect.

that was very good of you! I had only tentatively thought of you as a double-act - but it seems to fit!

[Worthy4England]

Some people are pro the European one-state option. I get that. Some are not,.including me. However many would be happy with a more limited version and want (ed) reform. In fact I've heard very few people say they don't think what we currently have doesn't need reform.  That seems a sensible enough approach IF you trusted that anyone at the centre of things got that.

I came of the view very late on & genuinely with regret, that this wasn't going to happen.

Today this proved my view of no reform being likely to be not an unreasonable one -

 ========================

Looks like we've had a lucky escape as Martin Schulz abandons pretense and demands the EU is reformed into a Federal Super State.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... nt-in-the/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

... & had we narrowly voted Remain they'd have claimed it as an endorsement & pushed for this & all bloody-hell would have kicked off.

As I believed they have no intention of the vote being a wake-up call for reform but a signal for more. Any doubts you had should be erased.

Whilst agreeing with much of this, I'm not sure about the "abandoning pretense" bit. That some people want a USE is not an abandonment of pretense - I reckon if I looked, I'd find he was pretty much always a federalist. He may well have dropped the F word - you know, a bit like nowadays firms don't sack folks - they do a "rebalancing", "workforce development (in an area you're not)", "workforce re-alignment" or some such drivel.

I'm also not clear on your contention that the vote was a wake-up call for reform - although I could see from a Brexiteer's perspective that they might view it as such - it didn't talk about reform, it talked about "in" or "out" - he now has a largely Eurosceptic nation that's leaving so you could potentially see that he figures his hand is actually strengthened as the votes that the UK had will no longer be there as dissenting voices (rightly or wrongly) over time. I do understand that it could also be viewed that our vote was just the "first of many" disaffected nations - but I guess we'll have to wait and see on that front.

[Lord Kangana]

I think reform from within is very difficult when your most high profile representative never turned up to actually represent us, and who's sole purpose was the destruction of, not reform of the thing he never turned up to anyway ( which begs so many questions, but principally how could he know what was wrong with the place when he was never bloody there?).

So I take with a pinch of salt the idea that reform was really on the agenda. I think too many were ideologically opposed (from a purely parochial perspective) to the very idea of greater European co-operation before actually investigating what the benefits could be.

[bedwetter2]

I think reform from within is very difficult when your most high profile representative never turned up to actually represent us, and who's sole purpose was the destruction of, not reform of the thing he never turned up to anyway ( which begs so many questions, but principally how could he know what was wrong with the place when he was never bloody there?).

So I take with a pinch of salt the idea that reform was really on the agenda. I think too many were ideologically opposed (from a purely parochial perspective) to the very idea of greater European co-operation before actually investigating what the benefits could be.

You should have stopped at "I think reform from within is very difficult".
I am sure that you are aware that in the toothless EU parliament, it is a numbers game with all the cards stacked against small voting blocks. The Commission is an abortion with all the balance and thoughtfulness of an unstable dictatorship and the Council of Ministers cannot agree a single policy as far as I can see.

Nevertheless, I respect your federalist views although neither I nor the majority of voters in the referendum agree with them.

There is far too much hysteria from the Remains and fellow travellers. Reminds me of Chicken Licken and the precarious sky.