Ken Anderson - Old Owner (Definitely. For Ever ..... )
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We bought the shirts off them. Their sponsorship money is paid in installments.officer_dibble wrote:I'm wondering if we borrowed some money from macron to be honest. Having a stadium of a club who can't pay its wages being a bit of a PR disaster type deal.
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What the fck are you doing on here? Come back in 10 years!throwawayboltonian wrote:I'm only in my late 20s
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Yeah we'll still need whipper snappers to abuse then.TonyDomingos wrote:What the fck are you doing on here? Come back in 10 years!throwawayboltonian wrote:I'm only in my late 20s
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I presume the Macron money is them providing shirts to sell. The club sells the shirts then pays Macron.
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Macron pay to sponsor us. They pay X amount in instalments. The club pays Macron to make our shirts.jetsetwilly wrote:I presume the Macron money is them providing shirts to sell. The club sells the shirts then pays Macron.
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And it sounds like that's not been happening.BWFC_Insane wrote:Macron pay to sponsor us. They pay X amount in instalments. The club pays Macron to make our shirts.jetsetwilly wrote:I presume the Macron money is them providing shirts to sell. The club sells the shirts then pays Macron.
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I'm shocked that the EFL approved the takeover given that we were reportedly debt free and now look to have £30m of debt again. Can't see how we will ever break even. Depressing future
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It's not like it's gone from £0 to £30,000,000 - half of that was owed to Eddie Davies all along. But this kind of misreading comes along whenever the Supporters' Trust start rattling their stick against the fence, as they are doing again (see BN).
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And another large chunk was borrowed by sports shield to fund buying the club. I mean clearly that was far from ideal, and KA is trying to renegotiate that loan, but what was the alternative?Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:It's not like it's gone from £0 to £30,000,000 - half of that was owed to Eddie Davies all along. But this kind of misreading comes along whenever the Supporters' Trust start rattling their stick against the fence, as they are doing again (see BN).
Also the rest of the debt is the BN's "guesstimate" as to how much we lose a month. So whether that is actual debt, who knows, and where it is borrowed from again, we don't know.
Lot of words get bandied about like "sustainable". And ultimately I don't think anyone should want a football club run "sustainably" if that means running without outside investment. How many are by that definition, sustainable? I'd say very few. It is all about the risk of that investment and the end game. There was no end game with Eddie, as the value of the club declined rapidly as investment ran out.
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The ST are a joke....these self elected morons running the ST have zero credibility & can't possibly be Bolton supporters, BWFC fans wouldn't be trying to do all they can to destabilise the club like these clowns are doing with this statement and previous ones just because KA wont give them a private meeting.Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:It's not like it's gone from £0 to £30,000,000 - half of that was owed to Eddie Davies all along. But this kind of misreading comes along whenever the Supporters' Trust start rattling their stick against the fence, as they are doing again (see BN).
Someone with access to the media / BN should put out a statement that the majority of BWFC supporters do not agree with the ST ,and that they are not representative of the Bolton supporters.
Like 100's of other BWFC fans months ago I cancelled membership because they do not represent the Bolton fans.
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call me what you like - I like what the supporters trust are trying to achieve
I paid my subs and will pay again next year (if they ask for any)
I paid my subs and will pay again next year (if they ask for any)
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What are they trying to achieve?nelson66 wrote:call me what you like - I like what the supporters trust are trying to achieve
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financially stable, competent ownership
not too much to ask for after we were minutes away from going bump less than a year ago
not too much to ask for after we were minutes away from going bump less than a year ago
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Genuine question: What problems do we have with the ST? I don't personally know them...
For it seems to me they acting the way we would want a ST to act, and the fact that they asking searching questions is a good thing?
The bear facts remain that our 2015 accounts should have been submitted by now, KA/DH should be putting in the money he pledged to as part of the conditions for them taking over, and it is very concerning we are significantly in debt, apart from the Eddie Davies debt, with two guys in charge who don't appear wealthy enough to cover it (maybe KA is, we don't know). Things may be progressing in the right direction with the KA buyout of DH and there may be little to worry about (feels unlikely) but asking the questions doesn't do any harm?
For it seems to me they acting the way we would want a ST to act, and the fact that they asking searching questions is a good thing?
The bear facts remain that our 2015 accounts should have been submitted by now, KA/DH should be putting in the money he pledged to as part of the conditions for them taking over, and it is very concerning we are significantly in debt, apart from the Eddie Davies debt, with two guys in charge who don't appear wealthy enough to cover it (maybe KA is, we don't know). Things may be progressing in the right direction with the KA buyout of DH and there may be little to worry about (feels unlikely) but asking the questions doesn't do any harm?
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Is that what a supporters trust, a) should be doing, b) are capable of doing?nelson66 wrote:financially stable, competent ownership
not too much to ask for after we were minutes away from going bump less than a year ago
To me it makes absolutely no sense for that to be their mission statement. They have absolutely no control over the ownership or running of the club as it stands. KA, if he gets Deano's shares can sell (or not) to whoever he likes.
The ST lost all my respect when they publically announced they wouldn't seek a chair on the board once the takeover went through. I mean why do something that would aid transparency, potentially add a supporters voice to the running of the club, and actually achieve something, when you can write strongly worded lists of questions based on an article published in the local news?
I cannot believe anyone takes them seriously. They are a politically motivated organisation that simply want to prevent anyone privately owning the club. They want a fan run, non-league club. That is the bottom line. They cannot talk about competency of ownership until they have at the very least, managed to show they can run a supporters trust in a professional and representative way. They have massively, massively failed to do that.
I will say this. If the supporters club ever own the club, that is the day I pack it all in.
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If they'd worked to establish board membership, instead of childishly dismissing it then maybe they'd not need to ask questions?bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:Genuine question: What problems do we have with the ST? I don't personally know them...
For it seems to me they acting the way we would want a ST to act, and the fact that they asking searching questions is a good thing?
The bear facts remain that our 2015 accounts should have been submitted by now, KA/DH should be putting in the money he pledged to as part of the conditions for them taking over, and it is very concerning we are significantly in debt, apart from the Eddie Davies debt, with two guys in charge who don't appear wealthy enough to cover it (maybe KA is, we don't know). Things may be progressing in the right direction with the KA buyout of DH and there may be little to worry about (feels unlikely) but asking the questions doesn't do any harm?
I have no issue with a ST working towards more transparency. I do have an issue with one who clearly just want to be as antagonistic as possible and petulant about the fact they didn't get to own the club and run it like a bloody Sunday pub team.
A ST should NOT be primarily about trying to own the club. It should be a voice for fans with the club and working with the owners, not constantly trying to score cheap points in public.
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Trouble with them, is that I get the impression that they WANT current ownership to go tits up, so they can say they told us so.
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There's clearly an image problem with the ST. Whether the perception of people like Boris, Insane, PT etc is right or not, quite a few people seem to have it.
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This is true - I'm sorta quite supportive of the notion of a ST, but haven't stumped up a tenner, as I'm still not sure what approximately they're thinking of doing with it.Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:There's clearly an image problem with the ST. Whether the perception of people like Boris, Insane, PT etc is right or not, quite a few people seem to have it.
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