General Chit Chat

[Bruce Rioja]

There might be an argument to get fees back for demonstrably poor teaching.

Hope you've got a good lawyer LE

Claim, counter-claim or both?

[Prufrock]

There might be an argument to get fees back for demonstrably poor teaching.

Hope you've got a good lawyer LE

Not yet. Where's that pru fella?

You'll do just fine in prison I reckon.

[Montreal Wanderer]

My (obviously wrong) understanding about schools and universities was that they gave folk the opportunity to study and then advance and study more with a view to bettering your education and persuading some employer from Asda to MI6 to give you a job by demonstrating you had taken it all in and were worth the effort because you would do the job better than the next man. The opportunities for study were there, the studying and learning up to you. Course, that was in the days when people had jobs as opposed to "glittering careers". Ah, well, times change I suppose and Bolton Tech has been hardcore for a few years now....

When you are paying directly for something, the expectancy of quality and then outcomes tends to rise.

I agree there should be an expectancy of quality at University but this should be whether you pay fees or not. In socialist UK is may be that some university education is free to the individual and funded by the taxpayer but there is still a cost. One might expect greater quality if one paid more or went to a more prestigious school. However, one has to study diligently to do well and surely one cannot enter a program with a guarantee of a certain result after three years.

[BWFC_Insane]

My (obviously wrong) understanding about schools and universities was that they gave folk the opportunity to study and then advance and study more with a view to bettering your education and persuading some employer from Asda to MI6 to give you a job by demonstrating you had taken it all in and were worth the effort because you would do the job better than the next man. The opportunities for study were there, the studying and learning up to you. Course, that was in the days when people had jobs as opposed to "glittering careers". Ah, well, times change I suppose and Bolton Tech has been hardcore for a few years now....

When you are paying directly for something, the expectancy of quality and then outcomes tends to rise.

So, you think the levels of understanding and learning are automatically equal in everyone and education is bought with guarantees? I wonder how many students never get beyond developing a liking for vodka and don't attain glittering careers? Can all that be blamed on teachers and teaching levels? ....

No. But I'm just saying you can't directly compare it to a time when a fraction went to Uni (and didn't pay directly for it) and a degree from Oxbridge was a virtual guarantee of a highly paid professional job after.

Universities like Oxford and Cambridge rely primarily on their research and reputation. Their teaching quality may be fairly mixed. But because they take the brightest academically anyway, it matters less overall to them.

I mean with people paying vast sums for their degree level education now, you can't directly compare it to the situation 40 years previously. I don't support the claim from the student. I do think poor teaching is subject to complaint now, especially with the fee introduction. But it certainly hasn't hampered them to the extent they claim.

[LeverEnd]

The whining git in question went 15 years ago before the massive fees. You'd think there'd be some element of independent learning with a guy bright enough to get to Oxford. It's not like me spoon feeding Year 7s.

[TANGODANCER]

My (obviously wrong) understanding about schools and universities was that they gave folk the opportunity to study and then advance and study more with a view to bettering your education and persuading some employer from Asda to MI6 to give you a job by demonstrating you had taken it all in and were worth the effort because you would do the job better than the next man. The opportunities for study were there, the studying and learning up to you. Course, that was in the days when people had jobs as opposed to "glittering careers". Ah, well, times change I suppose and Bolton Tech has been hardcore for a few years now....

When you are paying directly for something, the expectancy of quality and then outcomes tends to rise.

So, you think the levels of understanding and learning are automatically equal in everyone and education is bought with guarantees? I wonder how many students never get beyond developing a liking for vodka and don't attain glittering careers? Can all that be blamed on teachers and teaching levels? ....

No. But I'm just saying you can't directly compare it to a time when a fraction went to Uni (and didn't pay directly for it) and a degree from Oxbridge was a virtual guarantee of a highly paid professional job after.

Universities like Oxford and Cambridge rely primarily on their research and reputation. Their teaching quality may be fairly mixed. But because they take the brightest academically anyway, it matters less overall to them.

I mean with people paying vast sums for their degree level education now, you can't directly compare it to the situation 40 years previously. I don't support the claim from the student. I do think poor teaching is subject to complaint now, especially with the fee introduction. But it certainly hasn't hampered them to the extent they claim.

What makes you think I'm talking about 40 years ago for having a common sense opinion about today?

[Bruce Rioja]

Kirk Douglas is 100 years old today. No, I'm 100 years old today etc....

[LeverEnd]

Kirk Douglas is 100 years old today. No, I'm 100 years old today etc....

And so is my wife.

[Enoch]

A nice touch 29 minutes in, I thought.

[Montreal Wanderer]

A nice touch 29 minutes in, I thought.

"BBC iPlayer only works in the UK" which has saved me 29 minutes of my life....

[Enoch]

A nice touch 29 minutes in, I thought.

"BBC iPlayer only works in the UK" which has saved me 29 minutes of my life....

I've no idea if CBC provide a TV catch up service, Monty, but BBC iPlayer is a little more sophisticated than that.

[Bruce Rioja]

Jonny Fow - as festive, charitable and hospitable as ever!

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/149 ... gh_parade/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TANGODANCER]

Jonny Fow - as festive, charitable and hospitable as ever!

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/149 ... gh_parade/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wasted fifteen minutes reading the comments on that lot. Unbelievable.....

[Bruce Rioja]

Jonny Fow - as festive, charitable and hospitable as ever!

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/149 ... gh_parade/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wasted fifteen minutes reading the comments on that lot. Unbelievable.....

A word to the wise, Tango. Never read the comments.

I used to give them six posts maximum before someone came out with something abhorrently racist that you just know they'd never have the bottle to say to anyone else in person.

[beforeiforget]

Haha, Converse are definitely the most uncomfortable shoes ever! Nike are probably the most comfortable.

[Bruce Rioja]

Haha, Converse are definitely the most uncomfortable shoes ever! Nike are probably the most comfortable.

I find that Converse go better with my new brown leather trousers though.

[Worthy4England]

Haha, Converse are definitely the most uncomfortable shoes ever! Nike are probably the most comfortable.

I find that Converse go better with my new brown leather trousers though.

I thought I had the worst possible image in my mind regarding that particular pairing, but I have to grant, you win.

[Enoch]

Jonny Fow - as festive, charitable and hospitable as ever!

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/149 ... gh_parade/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just opened that link and was a tad concerned to find the BN's "Most popular" was some CCTV footage of three men abducting a woman.

[Bijou Bob]

Spat my tea. I have no words....

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_cla ... your-penis

[Bruce Rioja]

Haha, Converse are definitely the most uncomfortable shoes ever! Nike are probably the most comfortable.

I find that Converse go better with my new brown leather trousers though.

I thought I had the worst possible image in my mind regarding that particular pairing, but I have to grant, you win.

Just wait until you you see me in my forthcoming moneysupermarket advert

Anyway, I've just had an exchange with a bloke with the most peculiar of names - a Mr Andrew Dullard, who signs documents 'A Dullard'. I thought he was taking the piss at first.