European Second Referendum

[Hoboh]

Nicky fxcking Morgan and Anne fxcking Soubry. The future of democracy...

The future of democracy is clearly just screaming Nazi at moderate right of centre MPs you disagree with.

It really was wholly ironic.

No mate, democracy is all about following the democratic result of a free vote without calling the majority who voted the opposite way to you thick etc. etc.

The ballot paper said more or less in or out, not out with a deal that leaves us in because it suits you, without any rights to form policy yet still fund the corrupt operation.
Nah that's the action of dictators, Commies and fascists, not democracy and they should be called out.

Yawn. Soubry has never called anyone "thick". She was elected. By the people. More recently in fact than the referendum you refer to. When elected everyone knew her views on the EU.

Brexit has seen a rise in far right activism, intimidation and harassment. It needs to stop. It has sadly emboldened these people and made them feel that their extremist views are legitimate.

That however, is an aside. A major argument of Brexiteers was that "it gives our parliament back its sovereignty". It was and is a bollocks argument because the reality is, it never lost it. However, you wanted our parliament to be democratic and make decisions using sovereign power. Well, that is what it is doing. The fact you do not like it, perhaps suggests that you never really wanted a democracy. At all....

Interesting everyone seems to be ignoring the black clad hooded Ninja's that turn up throwing bricks at coppers and through shop windows at every left wing rally or bombard Jewish MP's from their favoured party with anti-semetic bile' no its only the right who have thugs is it?

[BWFC_Insane]

Nicky fxcking Morgan and Anne fxcking Soubry. The future of democracy...

The future of democracy is clearly just screaming Nazi at moderate right of centre MPs you disagree with.

It really was wholly ironic.

No mate, democracy is all about following the democratic result of a free vote without calling the majority who voted the opposite way to you thick etc. etc.

The ballot paper said more or less in or out, not out with a deal that leaves us in because it suits you, without any rights to form policy yet still fund the corrupt operation.
Nah that's the action of dictators, Commies and fascists, not democracy and they should be called out.

Yawn. Soubry has never called anyone "thick". She was elected. By the people. More recently in fact than the referendum you refer to. When elected everyone knew her views on the EU.

Brexit has seen a rise in far right activism, intimidation and harassment. It needs to stop. It has sadly emboldened these people and made them feel that their extremist views are legitimate.

That however, is an aside. A major argument of Brexiteers was that "it gives our parliament back its sovereignty". It was and is a bollocks argument because the reality is, it never lost it. However, you wanted our parliament to be democratic and make decisions using sovereign power. Well, that is what it is doing. The fact you do not like it, perhaps suggests that you never really wanted a democracy. At all....

Do you seriously think that our 'free and democratic Parliament' would be allowed to use 'sovereign power' but for invoking article 50? In much the same way Labours nationalisation plans won't work, the EU won't allow it.

The EU cannot directly block UK legislation. We can introduce legislation in breach of the EU laws - and face consequence. However, the point is that sovereignty means we can unilaterally exit the EU - which we chose to do. Our parliament has always had sovereignty by definition. And IF we do a deal with the EU there will still be legislation we could pass that infringes on said deal and therefore we would be unlikely to do so. Just as we abide by international laws. That doesn't infringe our sovereignty at all.

[Hoboh]

Nicky fxcking Morgan and Anne fxcking Soubry. The future of democracy...

The future of democracy is clearly just screaming Nazi at moderate right of centre MPs you disagree with.

It really was wholly ironic.

No mate, democracy is all about following the democratic result of a free vote without calling the majority who voted the opposite way to you thick etc. etc.

The ballot paper said more or less in or out, not out with a deal that leaves us in because it suits you, without any rights to form policy yet still fund the corrupt operation.
Nah that's the action of dictators, Commies and fascists, not democracy and they should be called out.

Yawn. Soubry has never called anyone "thick". She was elected. By the people. More recently in fact than the referendum you refer to. When elected everyone knew her views on the EU.

Brexit has seen a rise in far right activism, intimidation and harassment. It needs to stop. It has sadly emboldened these people and made them feel that their extremist views are legitimate.

That however, is an aside. A major argument of Brexiteers was that "it gives our parliament back its sovereignty". It was and is a bollocks argument because the reality is, it never lost it. However, you wanted our parliament to be democratic and make decisions using sovereign power. Well, that is what it is doing. The fact you do not like it, perhaps suggests that you never really wanted a democracy. At all....

Do you seriously think that our 'free and democratic Parliament' would be allowed to use 'sovereign power' but for invoking article 50? In much the same way Labours nationalisation plans won't work, the EU won't allow it.

The EU cannot directly block UK legislation. We can introduce legislation in breach of the EU laws - and face consequence. However, the point is that sovereignty means we can unilaterally exit the EU - which we chose to do. Our parliament has always had sovereignty by definition. And IF we do a deal with the EU there will still be legislation we could pass that infringes on said deal and therefore we would be unlikely to do so. Just as we abide by international laws. That doesn't infringe our sovereignty at all.

No point!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Nicky fxcking Morgan and Anne fxcking Soubry. The future of democracy...

The future of democracy is clearly just screaming Nazi at moderate right of centre MPs you disagree with.

It really was wholly ironic.

No mate, democracy is all about following the democratic result of a free vote without calling the majority who voted the opposite way to you thick etc. etc.

The ballot paper said more or less in or out, not out with a deal that leaves us in because it suits you, without any rights to form policy yet still fund the corrupt operation.
Nah that's the action of dictators, Commies and fascists, not democracy and they should be called out.

Yawn. Soubry has never called anyone "thick". She was elected. By the people. More recently in fact than the referendum you refer to. When elected everyone knew her views on the EU.

Brexit has seen a rise in far right activism, intimidation and harassment. It needs to stop. It has sadly emboldened these people and made them feel that their extremist views are legitimate.

Has it fxck
Three stories in the newspaper this morning
1. Anna Soubry - victim of being jostled.
2. Frank Magnitz (German MP for Alternative for Germany) assaulted by masked men who knocked him unconscious with a piece of wood and kicked him in the head as he lay on the ground.
3. Christophe Dettinger, former boxing champion, accused of beating a policeman and kicking another in the head while on the ground, and who has publicly stated "I am a yellow vest. I have the anger of the people in me", has raised well over €100,000 in public donations.

Pick the bones out of which of those we should be braying about. You, personally, are so biased you don't even understand the concept.

[BWFC_Insane]

Nicky fxcking Morgan and Anne fxcking Soubry. The future of democracy...

The future of democracy is clearly just screaming Nazi at moderate right of centre MPs you disagree with.

It really was wholly ironic.

No mate, democracy is all about following the democratic result of a free vote without calling the majority who voted the opposite way to you thick etc. etc.

The ballot paper said more or less in or out, not out with a deal that leaves us in because it suits you, without any rights to form policy yet still fund the corrupt operation.
Nah that's the action of dictators, Commies and fascists, not democracy and they should be called out.

Yawn. Soubry has never called anyone "thick". She was elected. By the people. More recently in fact than the referendum you refer to. When elected everyone knew her views on the EU.

Brexit has seen a rise in far right activism, intimidation and harassment. It needs to stop. It has sadly emboldened these people and made them feel that their extremist views are legitimate.

Has it fxck
Three stories in the newspaper this morning
1. Anna Soubry - victim of being jostled.
2. Frank Magnitz (German MP for Alternative for Germany) assaulted by masked men who knocked him unconscious with a piece of wood and kicked him in the head as he lay on the ground.
3. Christophe Dettinger, former boxing champion, accused of beating a policeman and kicking another in the head while on the ground, and who has publicly stated "I am a yellow vest. I have the anger of the people in me", has raised well over €100,000 in public donations.

Pick the bones out of which of those we should be braying about. You, personally, are so biased you don't even understand the concept.

Even for you that is a real stretch.

How is systematic abuse of a group of MPs and journalists outside and around Westminster in any way relevant to a German MP being attacked in Bremen?

Brexit has raised the levels of bigotry, racism and intolerance in this country. So says the special UN Rapporteur on racism in his study. I'm sure you have him down as a filthy remainer - but given he's from Zambia, I suspect he doesn't have a horse in this race.

It is simply what has happened. I see and hear it every single day. I am ashamed this has happened in my country. That's my opinion.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Nicky fxcking Morgan and Anne fxcking Soubry. The future of democracy...

The future of democracy is clearly just screaming Nazi at moderate right of centre MPs you disagree with.

It really was wholly ironic.

No mate, democracy is all about following the democratic result of a free vote without calling the majority who voted the opposite way to you thick etc. etc.

The ballot paper said more or less in or out, not out with a deal that leaves us in because it suits you, without any rights to form policy yet still fund the corrupt operation.
Nah that's the action of dictators, Commies and fascists, not democracy and they should be called out.

Yawn. Soubry has never called anyone "thick". She was elected. By the people. More recently in fact than the referendum you refer to. When elected everyone knew her views on the EU.

Brexit has seen a rise in far right activism, intimidation and harassment. It needs to stop. It has sadly emboldened these people and made them feel that their extremist views are legitimate.

Has it fxck
Three stories in the newspaper this morning
1. Anna Soubry - victim of being jostled.
2. Frank Magnitz (German MP for Alternative for Germany) assaulted by masked men who knocked him unconscious with a piece of wood and kicked him in the head as he lay on the ground.
3. Christophe Dettinger, former boxing champion, accused of beating a policeman and kicking another in the head while on the ground, and who has publicly stated "I am a yellow vest. I have the anger of the people in me", has raised well over €100,000 in public donations.

Pick the bones out of which of those we should be braying about. You, personally, are so biased you don't even understand the concept.

Even for you that is a real stretch.

How is systematic abuse of a group of MPs and journalists outside and around Westminster in any way relevant to a German MP being attacked in Bremen?

Brexit has raised the levels of bigotry, racism and intolerance in this country. So says the special UN Rapporteur on racism in his study. I'm sure you have him down as a filthy remainer - but given he's from Zambia, I suspect he doesn't have a horse in this race.

It is simply what has happened. I see and hear it every single day. I am ashamed this has happened in my country. That's my opinion.

Well, let's see...
I post a piece about an historic defeat of a government led by two 'spokespeople' who are members of the party that governs... And you turn it into a pathetic attempt to make out it was far right propaganda and intimidation... Jesus fxcking Christ!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I see that Out is still winning in the poll. Strange huh!

[Hoboh]

I'm finding the PM's so called nuclear option quite fascinating, if the posh boy Greives and his lackeys Rudd, Sourpuss etc. rumoured to be about 12 Tories actually carry out their threat to vote with the opposition, out of spite. If no confidence motion is tabled and passed, May could call an election for April 4th, we'd leave on the 29th of March, no deal, dissolved Parliament and bugger all the wailing, snivelling, heads up their own arse, anti-democratic, soon to be ex MP sh*ts could do about it.
I watched Greive, president of the Franco-British Society. awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016. broadcasts in French on French radio and television and one of them, barrister, Queen's Counsel, member of the elite on Peston last night and never have I seen such a pompous git full of his own self importance worming yesterdays vote was all about procedures not it's content.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm finding the PM's so called nuclear option quite fascinating, if the posh boy Greives and his lackeys Rudd, Sourpuss etc. rumoured to be about 12 Tories actually carry out their threat to vote with the opposition, out of spite. If no confidence motion is tabled and passed, May could call an election for April 4th, we'd leave on the 29th of March, no deal, dissolved Parliament and bugger all the wailing, snivelling, heads up their own arse, anti-democratic, soon to be ex MP sh*ts could do about it.
I watched Greive, president of the Franco-British Society. awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016. broadcasts in French on French radio and television and one of them, barrister, Queen's Counsel, member of the elite on Peston last night and never have I seen such a pompous git full of his own self importance worming yesterdays vote was all about procedures not it's content.

But there are 80 or so hardline Brexiteers seemingly likely to vote against the government as well.....

Do you think an election is something May can call? She's promised her MPs she won't be leader of the party for the next election. Which means there would need to be a Tory leadership contest before any GE.

And do you think the Tories would as a whole party think that a no deal Brexit would be a good way for them to win a GE? The reality is it would be electoral suicide and they know it (apart from a handful of loons - even then I suspect the likes of Rees Mogg know it too).

[Hoboh]

I'm finding the PM's so called nuclear option quite fascinating, if the posh boy Greives and his lackeys Rudd, Sourpuss etc. rumoured to be about 12 Tories actually carry out their threat to vote with the opposition, out of spite. If no confidence motion is tabled and passed, May could call an election for April 4th, we'd leave on the 29th of March, no deal, dissolved Parliament and bugger all the wailing, snivelling, heads up their own arse, anti-democratic, soon to be ex MP sh*ts could do about it.
I watched Greive, president of the Franco-British Society. awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016. broadcasts in French on French radio and television and one of them, barrister, Queen's Counsel, member of the elite on Peston last night and never have I seen such a pompous git full of his own self importance worming yesterdays vote was all about procedures not it's content.

But there are 80 or so hardline Brexiteers seemingly likely to vote against the government as well.....

Do you think an election is something May can call? She's promised her MPs she won't be leader of the party for the next election. Which means there would need to be a Tory leadership contest before any GE.

And do you think the Tories would as a whole party think that a no deal Brexit would be a good way for them to win a GE? The reality is it would be electoral suicide and they know it (apart from a handful of loons - even then I suspect the likes of Rees Mogg know it too).

Simple math, the DUP support is questionable and there are 12 remaniac Tories rumoured to be willing to vote with Labour, SNP etc in a confidence vote. Face it Rudd and sourpuuss with their majority's are toast next election, what have they got to lose?
Yes May can call an election it is a vote of confidence in the government not her personally

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm finding the PM's so called nuclear option quite fascinating, if the posh boy Greives and his lackeys Rudd, Sourpuss etc. rumoured to be about 12 Tories actually carry out their threat to vote with the opposition, out of spite. If no confidence motion is tabled and passed, May could call an election for April 4th, we'd leave on the 29th of March, no deal, dissolved Parliament and bugger all the wailing, snivelling, heads up their own arse, anti-democratic, soon to be ex MP sh*ts could do about it.
I watched Greive, president of the Franco-British Society. awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016. broadcasts in French on French radio and television and one of them, barrister, Queen's Counsel, member of the elite on Peston last night and never have I seen such a pompous git full of his own self importance worming yesterdays vote was all about procedures not it's content.

But there are 80 or so hardline Brexiteers seemingly likely to vote against the government as well.....

Do you think an election is something May can call? She's promised her MPs she won't be leader of the party for the next election. Which means there would need to be a Tory leadership contest before any GE.

And do you think the Tories would as a whole party think that a no deal Brexit would be a good way for them to win a GE? The reality is it would be electoral suicide and they know it (apart from a handful of loons - even then I suspect the likes of Rees Mogg know it too).

Simple math, the DUP support is questionable and there are 12 remaniac Tories rumoured to be willing to vote with Labour, SNP etc in a confidence vote. Face it Rudd and sourpuuss with their majority's are toast next election, what have they got to lose?
Yes May can call an election it is a vote of confidence in the government not her personally

DUP have no reason to vote against the government in a confidence vote.

Neither do any Tory MPs - unless May forces her deal through...but if she does there is no basis for a confidence vote.

[Hoboh]

I'm finding the PM's so called nuclear option quite fascinating, if the posh boy Greives and his lackeys Rudd, Sourpuss etc. rumoured to be about 12 Tories actually carry out their threat to vote with the opposition, out of spite. If no confidence motion is tabled and passed, May could call an election for April 4th, we'd leave on the 29th of March, no deal, dissolved Parliament and bugger all the wailing, snivelling, heads up their own arse, anti-democratic, soon to be ex MP sh*ts could do about it.
I watched Greive, president of the Franco-British Society. awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016. broadcasts in French on French radio and television and one of them, barrister, Queen's Counsel, member of the elite on Peston last night and never have I seen such a pompous git full of his own self importance worming yesterdays vote was all about procedures not it's content.

But there are 80 or so hardline Brexiteers seemingly likely to vote against the government as well.....

Do you think an election is something May can call? She's promised her MPs she won't be leader of the party for the next election. Which means there would need to be a Tory leadership contest before any GE.

And do you think the Tories would as a whole party think that a no deal Brexit would be a good way for them to win a GE? The reality is it would be electoral suicide and they know it (apart from a handful of loons - even then I suspect the likes of Rees Mogg know it too).

Simple math, the DUP support is questionable and there are 12 remaniac Tories rumoured to be willing to vote with Labour, SNP etc in a confidence vote. Face it Rudd and sourpuuss with their majority's are toast next election, what have they got to lose?
Yes May can call an election it is a vote of confidence in the government not her personally

DUP have no reason to vote against the government in a confidence vote.

Neither do any Tory MPs - unless May forces her deal through...but if she does there is no basis for a confidence vote.

forget May's deal it's all about staying, plan b, no crash out, referendum 2 now, do keep up.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm finding the PM's so called nuclear option quite fascinating, if the posh boy Greives and his lackeys Rudd, Sourpuss etc. rumoured to be about 12 Tories actually carry out their threat to vote with the opposition, out of spite. If no confidence motion is tabled and passed, May could call an election for April 4th, we'd leave on the 29th of March, no deal, dissolved Parliament and bugger all the wailing, snivelling, heads up their own arse, anti-democratic, soon to be ex MP sh*ts could do about it.
I watched Greive, president of the Franco-British Society. awarded the Legion of Honour in 2016. broadcasts in French on French radio and television and one of them, barrister, Queen's Counsel, member of the elite on Peston last night and never have I seen such a pompous git full of his own self importance worming yesterdays vote was all about procedures not it's content.

But there are 80 or so hardline Brexiteers seemingly likely to vote against the government as well.....

Do you think an election is something May can call? She's promised her MPs she won't be leader of the party for the next election. Which means there would need to be a Tory leadership contest before any GE.

And do you think the Tories would as a whole party think that a no deal Brexit would be a good way for them to win a GE? The reality is it would be electoral suicide and they know it (apart from a handful of loons - even then I suspect the likes of Rees Mogg know it too).

Simple math, the DUP support is questionable and there are 12 remaniac Tories rumoured to be willing to vote with Labour, SNP etc in a confidence vote. Face it Rudd and sourpuuss with their majority's are toast next election, what have they got to lose?
Yes May can call an election it is a vote of confidence in the government not her personally

DUP have no reason to vote against the government in a confidence vote.

Neither do any Tory MPs - unless May forces her deal through...but if she does there is no basis for a confidence vote.

forget May's deal it's all about staying, plan b, no crash out, referendum 2 now, do keep up.

The DUP and biggest group of Tory rebels all want to leave - you understand that don't you?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

They're all coming out to play now... Speaker Bercow, eat your heart out, MI6 gets in on the action...

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-mays ... s-11603738

[Harry Genshaw]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

[Lost Leopard Spot]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

This ^
It's rampant.
Indeed, we, as fans are contributing to the general malaise every time the team takes to the pitch, too.
We all need to rein back a bit on all fronts (yes, and that means me included...)

[Lost Leopard Spot]

BBC just gave three minutes of airtime on prime news channel to somefxcker called Cheesum whose only point was that he wanted to stay in the EU.
Wow. Biased or what.

[malcd1]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

Perhaps it is some of her constituents. They voted 54.6% for Brexit not Remain.

Serious question. Do MP's gets voted in to make decisions on our behalf, not matter if it is going against our wishes or to vote in the way we want? Either way, she may get voted out at the next election.

[Prufrock]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I didn't have a problem with the heckling (embarrassing as it was) but the jostling in the street was unacceptable. Owen Jones got it too (imagine interacting with OJ and somehow *you* come out looking like the dickhead!).

No doubt it happens to Farage. There was something not too dissimilar with Jacob Rees-Mogg's kid I think not long ago. Not on.

[Prufrock]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

Perhaps it is some of her constituents. They voted 54.6% for Brexit not Remain.

Serious question. Do MP's gets voted in to make decisions on our behalf, not matter if it is going against our wishes or to vote in the way we want? Either way, she may get voted out at the next election.

Yes is the short answer! Usually put that MPs are our representatives not our delegates.

The political theorist (and MP) Edmund Burke said an MP "owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion”.

I mean, they promptly voted to get rid of him at the next election but the point stands!

We pick who we want as an MP and then they vote how they see best. MPs trying to do a reckon about what all of their constituents want an any issue would be a disaster, particularly given its their job to be more informed on almost all issues than us. If they get it wrong they just get voted out next time.