European Second Referendum

[Enoch]

Pleased to see the comments of Jean-Marc Puissesseau, deputy mayor of Calais and chief executive of Calais port made headline news all over the media yesterday.

What!

You didn't see them?

Well I'll be damned.

[BWFC_Insane]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I'm hoping that mis-spelling was accidental. As otherwise it really does not aid the point you are trying to make.

I listened to Owen Jones on the radio and his point was very clear. All abuse is wrong and people need to show respect. But there is a significant difference between the right wing extremist organised campaign against himself, Soubry and others and someone opportunistically heckling Rees Mogg and his kid....it worries me that people cannot see a distinction.

[Enoch]

Militant/Momentum apologist.

[BWFC_Insane]

Militant/Momentum apologist.

Are you? Well good for you!

[Prufrock]

The Rees-Mogg incident is just an example, there are plenty examples of the left wing nutters behaving similarly. Look at whatever follows the G20 summit wherever it goes.

It's less than a year since McDonnell (you know shiny, nice, reinvented John McDonnell) said that he wanted Tories to be unable to go anywhere in the country, or show their face in public "without being challenged".

[BWFC_Insane]

The Rees-Mogg incident is just an example, there are plenty examples of the left wing nutters behaving similarly. Look at whatever follows the G20 summit wherever it goes.

It's less than a year since McDonnell (you know shiny, nice, reinvented John McDonnell) said that he wanted Tories to be unable to go anywhere in the country, or show their face in public "without being challenged".

He was talking about challenging them over austerity. McDonnell is a moron. His comments were stupid. But equating them to an organised and coherent far right campaign of intimidation is IMO wrong.

We have a problem - our current government have deliberately and provocatively stoked far right rhetoric to their own end. They've allowed the terms "hostile environment" to be associated with them - supposedly a legitimate and moderate (no way) government. They've normalised intolerance and racism and hatred in our society. The opposition are no better either. They can't even deal with their own racism.

We have racism and bigotry and hatred entrenched in our politicians currently. It is absolutely abhorrent. And I'll say this - when right wing extremists try and kill Labour MPs the government have contributed to a culture that emboldens those people. When Holocaust deniers get a platform to spread their nonsense the Labour leadership have directly contributed to the societal condition and culture that makes these people think others want to hear their vile thoughts.

It has to end. But denying that it is happening seems to be the order of the day. We have a Prime Minister and Leader of the opposition who are IMHO not racist, but both are enablers of racism and intolerance. Complicit in their actions.

[TANGODANCER]

Our country and all it entails right now, tends to give a crazy sort of understanding as to why the French Revolution, "social and political upheaval" occurred. The French were always a bit revolting, but it doesn't really take much to start a riot in any country as proven by current world events. Being regarded as "civilised" is a bit wearing false feathers and getting away with it.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I'm hoping that mis-spelling was accidental. As otherwise it really does not aid the point you are trying to make.

I listened to Owen Jones on the radio and his point was very clear. All abuse is wrong and people need to show respect. But there is a significant difference between the right wing extremist organised campaign against himself, Soubry and others and someone opportunistically heckling Rees Mogg and his kid....it worries me that people cannot see a distinction.

...and you told me it was 'a stretch' when I pointed out that a German Member of Parliament for the AfD party was beaten up on the street by hooded thugs who kicked him in the head when he was unconscious on the floor.
You really are... irritating.

[BWFC_Insane]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I'm hoping that mis-spelling was accidental. As otherwise it really does not aid the point you are trying to make.

I listened to Owen Jones on the radio and his point was very clear. All abuse is wrong and people need to show respect. But there is a significant difference between the right wing extremist organised campaign against himself, Soubry and others and someone opportunistically heckling Rees Mogg and his kid....it worries me that people cannot see a distinction.

...and you told me it was 'a stretch' when I pointed out that a German Member of Parliament for the AfD party was beaten up on the street by hooded thugs who kicked him in the head when he was unconscious on the floor.
You really are... irritating.

We are talking about extremism and intolerance in British society and the far right of British politics. In this context an event in Germany is irrelevant.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I'm hoping that mis-spelling was accidental. As otherwise it really does not aid the point you are trying to make.

I listened to Owen Jones on the radio and his point was very clear. All abuse is wrong and people need to show respect. But there is a significant difference between the right wing extremist organised campaign against himself, Soubry and others and someone opportunistically heckling Rees Mogg and his kid....it worries me that people cannot see a distinction.

...and you told me it was 'a stretch' when I pointed out that a German Member of Parliament for the AfD party was beaten up on the street by hooded thugs who kicked him in the head when he was unconscious on the floor.
You really are... irritating.

We are talking about extremism and intolerance in British society and the far right of British politics. In this context an event in Germany is irrelevant.

You might have been. I wasn't.
In fact if you go back and re-read this thread you'll see that I was at first talking about a couple of Tory MPs coordinating a rebel attack on their own party. You misinterpreted that and brought up her being heckled and jostled and claimed it was an organised far right conspiracy. I pointed out that she was a member of a right wing party being merely jostled by far right supporters, meanwhile on the same day, a far right MP was beaten up by left wing thugs, and a left wing or right wing (who fxcking knows) tosspot got given over €100,000 by 'members of the public' because he'd been caught knocking out and kicking in the head a policeman. The fact one incident was in Britain, one in Germany, and one in France is the irrelevant point. Especially I would have thought if you support Remain.

[BWFC_Insane]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I'm hoping that mis-spelling was accidental. As otherwise it really does not aid the point you are trying to make.

I listened to Owen Jones on the radio and his point was very clear. All abuse is wrong and people need to show respect. But there is a significant difference between the right wing extremist organised campaign against himself, Soubry and others and someone opportunistically heckling Rees Mogg and his kid....it worries me that people cannot see a distinction.

...and you told me it was 'a stretch' when I pointed out that a German Member of Parliament for the AfD party was beaten up on the street by hooded thugs who kicked him in the head when he was unconscious on the floor.
You really are... irritating.

We are talking about extremism and intolerance in British society and the far right of British politics. In this context an event in Germany is irrelevant.

You might have been. I wasn't.
In fact if you go back and re-read this thread you'll see that I was at first talking about a couple of Tory MPs coordinating a rebel attack on their own party. You misinterpreted that and brought up her being heckled and jostled and claimed it was an organised far right conspiracy. I pointed out that she was a member of a right wing party being merely jostled by far right supporters, meanwhile on the same day, a far right MP was beaten up by left wing thugs, and a left wing or right wing (who fxcking knows) tosspot got given over €100,000 by 'members of the public' because he'd been caught knocking out and kicking in the head a policeman. The fact one incident was in Britain, one in Germany, and one in France is the irrelevant point. Especially I would have thought if you support Remain.

Fine. So I did.

Half the Tory party are coordinating rebel attacks on their own party. You pick out two only.....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I'm hoping that mis-spelling was accidental. As otherwise it really does not aid the point you are trying to make.

I listened to Owen Jones on the radio and his point was very clear. All abuse is wrong and people need to show respect. But there is a significant difference between the right wing extremist organised campaign against himself, Soubry and others and someone opportunistically heckling Rees Mogg and his kid....it worries me that people cannot see a distinction.

...and you told me it was 'a stretch' when I pointed out that a German Member of Parliament for the AfD party was beaten up on the street by hooded thugs who kicked him in the head when he was unconscious on the floor.
You really are... irritating.

We are talking about extremism and intolerance in British society and the far right of British politics. In this context an event in Germany is irrelevant.

You might have been. I wasn't.
In fact if you go back and re-read this thread you'll see that I was at first talking about a couple of Tory MPs coordinating a rebel attack on their own party. You misinterpreted that and brought up her being heckled and jostled and claimed it was an organised far right conspiracy. I pointed out that she was a member of a right wing party being merely jostled by far right supporters, meanwhile on the same day, a far right MP was beaten up by left wing thugs, and a left wing or right wing (who fxcking knows) tosspot got given over €100,000 by 'members of the public' because he'd been caught knocking out and kicking in the head a policeman. The fact one incident was in Britain, one in Germany, and one in France is the irrelevant point. Especially I would have thought if you support Remain.

Fine. So I did.

Half the Tory party are coordinating rebel attacks on their own party. You pick out two only.....

...
I "picked out" the two who headlined on BBC1, BBC2, ITV, and Channel4 News...
you know, the ones who did the interviews, and promulgated the news that night. The night for the first time in modern democracy that members of their own ruling party defeated a government finance bill. Historic stuff, upon which I commentated. And you perverted that into a rant about something else. Shame.

[BWFC_Insane]

On the subject of the abuse aimed at Sourby this week, I've got to say it made me feel pretty uncomfortable. The idea that it's solely a right wing/ Brexiter led problem ignores the abuse Nigel Farage is subjected to every time he turns up somewhere

I'm hoping that mis-spelling was accidental. As otherwise it really does not aid the point you are trying to make.

I listened to Owen Jones on the radio and his point was very clear. All abuse is wrong and people need to show respect. But there is a significant difference between the right wing extremist organised campaign against himself, Soubry and others and someone opportunistically heckling Rees Mogg and his kid....it worries me that people cannot see a distinction.

...and you told me it was 'a stretch' when I pointed out that a German Member of Parliament for the AfD party was beaten up on the street by hooded thugs who kicked him in the head when he was unconscious on the floor.
You really are... irritating.

We are talking about extremism and intolerance in British society and the far right of British politics. In this context an event in Germany is irrelevant.

You might have been. I wasn't.
In fact if you go back and re-read this thread you'll see that I was at first talking about a couple of Tory MPs coordinating a rebel attack on their own party. You misinterpreted that and brought up her being heckled and jostled and claimed it was an organised far right conspiracy. I pointed out that she was a member of a right wing party being merely jostled by far right supporters, meanwhile on the same day, a far right MP was beaten up by left wing thugs, and a left wing or right wing (who fxcking knows) tosspot got given over €100,000 by 'members of the public' because he'd been caught knocking out and kicking in the head a policeman. The fact one incident was in Britain, one in Germany, and one in France is the irrelevant point. Especially I would have thought if you support Remain.

Fine. So I did.

Half the Tory party are coordinating rebel attacks on their own party. You pick out two only.....

...
I "picked out" the two who headlined on BBC1, BBC2, ITV, and Channel4 News...
you know, the ones who did the interviews, and promulgated the news that night. The night for the first time in modern democracy that members of their own ruling party defeated a government finance bill. Historic stuff, upon which I commentated. And you perverted that into a rant about something else. Shame.

20 Tory MPs voted for it. 11 were signatories (to my knowledge Soubry was not). I find it odd you picked those two names in particular out...especially as Fallon drew most of the headlines.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Soubry and Morgan were on TV all night long crowing over it. That's a fact. They both, seperately, made the point that they, personally, were rescuing Britain. Hence my comment about the new face of democracy. Because they were faces. Making statements. Simple really.

[Enoch]

Soubry and Morgan were on TV all night long crowing over it. That's a fact. They both, seperately, made the point that they, personally, were rescuing Britain. Hence my comment about the new face of democracy. Because they were faces. Making statements. Simple really.

Ah, that must be why Jean-Marc Puissesseau didn't get an airing.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Soubry and Morgan were on TV all night long crowing over it. That's a fact. They both, seperately, made the point that they, personally, were rescuing Britain. Hence my comment about the new face of democracy. Because they were faces. Making statements. Simple really.

Ah, that must be why Jean-Marc Puissesseau didn't get an airing.

No. He didn't get an airing because the mass media in this country is biased to the Remain position. Utterly biased. I bet he doesn't get jostled. Probably because he has an entire contingent of the waffen SS guarding him... the ultra right wing cxnt. *sigh*
Remind me, what did he say? Something like "Les rosbifs have no fear, non delay at port. Mars Bars can zip through at ze same rate as now..."

[Lost Leopard Spot]

By the way, Puisseesseau. Isn't that French for Urine Head or something?

[Enoch]

He said, “Zut alors! Sacre bleu! Mon dieu!”

"What do you think we are all buffoons! Be reet."

[Lost Leopard Spot]

He said, “Zut alors! Sacre bleu! Mon dieu!”

"What do you think we are all buffoons! Be reet."

Ah! I'd been reading Der Morgenpost.

[Enoch]

In a nutshell, he said, providing lorry drivers present with the correct documentation, they will be processed in exactly the same length of time as they are at present. No delay whatsoever. Zilch holdup.

Seems that instead of looking for ways to frustrate the will of the British people, the authorities in Calais have spent the last year preparing for smooth transition beyond a WTO exit.

Now why didn't we think of that!

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Can't imagine why it wasn't mentioned on the ten o'clock propaganda.